jef

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CREATINE ETHYL ESTER AND CREATINE MONOHYDARTE - REAL LIFE DIFFERENCE- SWEET FCK ALL TBH - OOPS SORRY BOUT CAPS LOCKS.

FORGET THE CREATINE, BY SOME LOCAL ORGANIC MEATS AND VEG AND GET A GOOD NUTRIENT PROFILE - JOB DONE!

Woody69

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CEE is the most modern variety of Creatine, which is made using ester technology. It's manufacturers say that the key to CEE success comes down to its cell permeability or its capacity to move into muscle cells. Regular Creatine Monohydrate does not move into muscle cells that easily. You only need 2-3 grams per day, because CEE is absorbed more efficiently by your intestines and then used easily by your muscles – so you require less to do the same job.

On the other hand Creatine Monohydrate is absorbed into the bloodstream after being ingested, presumably by the amino acid transporter, and typically reaches a maximum plasma concentration in less than two hours. There are very few side effects associated with Creatine use. Although insulin increases Creatine muscle intake, you should avoid taking large amounts of high glycemic foods as this could lead to insulin resistance.

CEE is bitter tasting, so you may want to try the encapsulated form. Alternatively, you can mix CEE in with your beverage powders to help you tolerate the taste.

jef

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woody, insulin production/resistance is a hole other ball game tbh - genetically predispositioned reaction to sugars is such a widely debatable issue

i stand by - you dont need a lot of supplements - but you can benfit from an increased nutrient profile from free range organic food - and your money is better spent here than on on 4kg of supermarket battery/caged chicken for £6.

Leslie

Isn't it possible to build up the muscle etc. with exercise and a sensible diet rather than the use of artificial supplements etc.

Can those do you any harm at all?

Les

pimmo2000

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Most of the supplements just give you what eating a lot of a certain food would and to be honest, in my opinion yes they will be harmful long term.

Same as eating lots of a certain food

jef

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they are supplements, so should be used to "supplement" and already established diet. they should not be relied on as meal replacements ect - unless design so, even then long term the lack of ingrediants like fibre - high use of simple sugars ect mean constand use wouldnt be advised

having said that still probably better than a massive % of the populations diet!!

using powders is all about timing. you only really need one or two per day MAX.


long term use in such a way shouldnt see many long term damage - aslong as they dont contain lots of artificial colourings flavouring ect.

the problem esp for bodybuilder is getting enough protein into your daily diet - the amount of food can be hard to eat in a day, so the powder can help bump up the total intake with minimum of ease - but too many see them as a replacement for food - which they are not.

establishing a healthy and varied diet is the most important thing - using good quality foods - if you have a good appetite making gains as a bodybuilder is very possible, and even more attaianable if the ultimate goal is not based around putting on as much muscle tissue as possible.

Dingdongler

I've recently gone back to training after a few years of absence (due to having two small kids that never let me sleep!)

I'm doing a combination of cardio (which is most important to me as I'm middle aged) and weights. I did quite a lot of weights when I was younger.

I'm not really interested in taking supplements as I prefer Jef's approach of eating well. However sometimes I get caught short ie I start to get hungry at work (in between meals) but can't get my hands on something wholesome.

I always carry fruit with me and also a big jar of roasted, unsalted nuts for that boost in between meals. But I was wondering whether there was a supplement I could carry with me as well to make sure that I was covered when I felt hungry but can't get to some decent food.

I find I really run into trouble when I train in the morning and then go to work in the afternoon. Despite having a good breakfast and lunch by about 1600hrs I'm almost passing out with hunger.

I need a supplement that is healthy ie not full of additives, colours, sugar, salt etc. that I can take from time to time between meals.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

pimmo2000

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Wouldn't buy that rubbish, free range all the way.

jef

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i attribute a better nutritionl profile to free range and organic food mate.

and advise it as a base for a decent diet - supplements can have there place , depending on your goals

finalzero

I have stopped using supplements and have been natural for a long time now.

The supplements help when you need to go over a certain threshold but I can hold my own naturally with most meat heads but I have the cardio (through martial arts) and the strength (through power lifting/power training) as a bonus.

As Jef above has said a few times, your diet is paramount, get a good intake of food that "you" enjoy and your body is used to taking, cut out all the crap in your diet and you will find you are quite healthy.

Most diets are a fad, when you switch to a diet you put your body under a lot of stress as it doesn't know what the hell is going on and will not do a good job of benefiting from the diet.

You are your most efficient when you are eating food you enjoy (or rather are used to eating). Just note down what you eat in a day, a week, a month; take a look at the food and workout what is not healthy and replace it with something else, cut down on any fatty stuff, replace oils with stuff like Olive Oil, add more veg, more white meat etc...you get the picture.

Eat little and often, this will maintain a good metabolic rate and ensure your body is fuel efficient meaning that you use up at least 70% of your food intake correctly and not just **** it out the other end.

For example my intake when I need to bulk up or I am power training is 55% Carbohydrates, 25% protein and 20% fat - my body gets the extra protein boost from breaking the carbs down into energy (the results which include protein and fat for my body)...this is the same formula the body builders of the 80s used, it works period.

On my cutting months (like now) I just switch the formula around a little, so now got a 50/50 carb protein split, maybe more protein intake (from natural food) to help my muscles get good growth and development.

Too much supplemental protein just ends up giving you high blood pressure which is not good in the long run (but sups have their place).

I am a family man now, don't have time to do body building and besides its a mugs game in my opinion. I much rather look ripped all year round, be strong as hell, and have the stamina to kick the crap out of people than be the way I was training 5 times a week like a nutter.

Now I train 3 times a week, do a lot of bar work (chin ups, grip strength work), core training (dead lifts, squats, presses etc) and teach and train martial arts, feel so much better at 13 stones (I was 15.5 stones fairly lean before) and still strong (230+KG deadlifts, 200KG squats etc).

Soya based supplements might be your answer...

jef

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final zero - if that works for you, go for it - i wouldnt eliminate fats when cutting though - id lower carbs , up protein a touch and include some healthy fats - there good anti-oxidnats and are used in the production of sex hormones - and testosterone is essentailto maintain muscle mass.

also you shouldnt get hi blood pressure from shakes at all.

unless your using weight gainers with great amounts of kcals from simple sugare where insulin could cause fat staorgae and the excess poor carbs cause some water retention then that could bump up your blood pressure

but sounds like youve got a good health and fitness plan/lifestyle finalzero

jef

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unless you have underlying issues with impaired kidney function or something then a moderately higher amount of protein than normal shouldnt really have any negative effects.

but if known kidney issues - or other issues that can be affected by diet, then much closer attention should be paid to diet. - eg diabetes or anything

this is if supplement (whey protein) are used as designed - just to top up protein intake. once or twice per day - if adequate training is used where the demand for protein is there to start with.

Leslie

Thanks, I probably wont bother then!

Les

Orangio

They are called supplements because you 'supplement on them' rather than depending on them as your main food source.

TelBoy

finalzero, i still want to see you bench 180. I'm in Bucks regularly, what gym do you train at?

Maz

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At thirteen stones bodyweight that's a hell of a lift.

Dingdongler

Did he say he can bench 180kgs? I can't see that his post.

TelBoy

The claim was made on another thread about 9 months ago. I have a long memory

TelBoy

Post #83 on this thread. I still want to see it, as that would be the heaviest non-competitive bench press i've ever seen.

https://www.scoobynet.com/911040-steroids-5.html

jef

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4 mins in my mate around 14 st at the time does a 200kg bench

TelBoy

Not quite competitive-legal but nevertheless that's impressive by any standard. At that body weight he could win almost at national level, does/did he compete?

Leslie

Yes I did realise that thanks.

Les

jef

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whats the il-legality- the slight pause tel?

not clued up on PL.

na just a bodybuilder mate, all be it with a bit of strength lol - but thats what 15 years training/competing helps to achieve

TelBoy

Yep just the pause on the chest thing, it's close though, he might get white lights, and it looks clear he could pause longer if he wanted. He's in a teeny tiny minority of men though, benching double your body weight is seriously rare, even with steroids which i'm sure he's no stranger to.

Now where's fivetide so i can arrange a workout?

finalzero

Thanks dude, may bug you for some advice in the future.

Not sure why I get high blood pressure, spoke to a few people, one of my mates reckons I could have become sensitive to that much protein (my liver even).

Could be heart related...but that's a story for another day.

Cheers mate, tried to stay fairly healthy, I have a passion for training, same as everyone I guess.

finalzero

Atlas Fitness dude, video is on the internet somewhere, more than happy to show you

I don't have the mass for that kind of thing now, dropping down in weight quite a bit, below 13 stones now, hoping to get to 12.5.

When you loose a certain amount of mass it's much harder to shift that kind of weight, basic physics.

I reckon I could get a 150KG bench press out at my current weight, that would be awesome actually!

TelBoy

Other end of Bucks

30kg drop in a year, when you've not built it using steroids?

180 was ever so slightly an exaggeration wasn't it

finalzero

Really think it was an exaggeration? I have quite a number of people to vouch for me in the gym, you are more than welcome to come down and talk to the owner about me.

Yes the drop was health related as well, however I have recovered thankfully but will not be maintaining that kind of strength again.

I could work my way up to it again, naturally, using my training methods but I would need to put on mass again, get up to 15 stones or thereabouts but as I said for health reasons I need to stay light.

I will dig out the video, sure one of the guys watching made a video somewhere.

TelBoy

Look forward to it It's an impressive weight. We have some monsters in my gym make me look like a streak of pi$s, but even those guys rarely go to 160, even 150 is a heavy day.

finalzero

I know what you mean dude, this is what got me thinking a while back that the freak body builders didn't have practical strength.

This guy is my inspiration:

http://www.jimwendler.com/

No holds barred straight talking power lifter who decided he didn't want to be the stereotypical fat guy.

I took a lot of ideas from his training philosophy to develop my 3x3x3 program.

Something to wet your appetite, this is me at 95KG, on Tribilus (which probably helped), won the competition with a 165KG bench press...we were doing proper bench presses, not half reps:

https://www.facebook.com/v/397978452198

My mate Matt doing a monstrous 290KG deadlift (no straps). Learn't a lot about strength training from this guy:

https://www.facebook.com/v/389692182198

And finally the 180KG:

https://www.facebook.com/v/10150542296835317

I was 100KG plus body weight there, won't do that again.

Squats helped for sure, as did deadlifts, each of the core exercises make you stronger in the next, the stronger I got in deadlifts, the better I got in squats and the better I got in bench.

Squatting at 220KG, 90KG body weight:

https://www.facebook.com/v/10150532872497199

Enjoy!