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Old 25 September 2012, 09:32 PM
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Paisley.
No idea at all what you mean, what the image is, how it fits with the thread??
Old 25 September 2012, 09:36 PM
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My opinion is that banging a 15 year old is not and has never been paedophilia and to suggest it is is moronic. I don't volunteer and opinion on whether or not its OK as that depends on each individual.
The ironic part is that the feminised culture that promotes the idea of women being equal and also female privilege is also the same culture that produces 30 year old men who are so lacking in alpha male qualities they have to bang 15 year olds in order to feel like men. I can bet this guy spent half his life trying to be 'nice' and then wondering why no women liked him, I can bet he rarely approached women in bars he was attracted to as he was worried that he might offend them and I am sure he struggled on every level with relationships as for his whole life he was lied to and told to down play his manliness and be nice when in fact what women really like is a healthy dose of testosterone.
If someone had told this guy at a young age to man up, stop being a bitch and stop putting ***** on a pedestal then he would have managed to find his way to a normal relationship by now, instead he has done what he can to get what he wants.
Old 25 September 2012, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
My opinion is that banging a 15 year old is not and has never been paedophilia and to suggest it is is moronic. I don't volunteer and opinion on whether or not its OK as that depends on each individual.
The ironic part is that the feminised culture that promotes the idea of women being equal and also female privilege is also the same culture that produces 30 year old men who are so lacking in alpha male qualities they have to bang 15 year olds in order to feel like men. I can bet this guy spent half his life trying to be 'nice' and then wondering why no women liked him, I can bet he rarely approached women in bars he was attracted to as he was worried that he might offend them and I am sure he struggled on every level with relationships as for his whole life he was lied to and told to down play his manliness and be nice when in fact what women really like is a healthy dose of testosterone.
If someone had told this guy at a young age to man up, stop being a bitch and stop putting ***** on a pedestal then he would have managed to find his way to a normal relationship by now, instead he has done what he can to get what he wants.
Are you referring to the teacher, or someone much closer to home?
Old 25 September 2012, 09:44 PM
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If i'm the only one shaking my head at this point, i'm Father Christmas. I give up.
Old 25 September 2012, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
Quite an interesting debate on this earlier on Radio 2. One ex cop totally condemning it and approving of the european manhunt and then some lady not approving but seeming relaxed of the opinion that once he is skint, he'll come back

16 in a few months, what would the headline have been then?
Exactly the same as being 16 would make no difference. He is her teacher and has abused his position of trust. Even if she was 18 it wouldn't be OK.

At best the bloke is a ******* tool, he has thrown his life down the pan for a few months of being the subject of a teenage crush which he has taken seriously. At worst he could have groomed her which will see him in jail for a very long time, that's if this ends happily and the girl goes home unharmed. The story and events don't give the impression she is at serious risk but who knows if he had ulterior motives.
Old 25 September 2012, 09:50 PM
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WTF does that mean? I'm not accusing her of being overwieght, she IS overweight, what on Earth is your point??

Regarding the non-uniform age of consent around the world, yes it's an anomaly. But not one that can be used to justify eloping with a minor, whether we're talking 13, 14 or 15. No human is emotionally ready for a sexual relationship by that age, i'm sorry but they aren't. Quick one night stand yes lots of us have been there, but a "proper" relationship, no. Not at all.
I think she is at a perfectly normal weight as far as I noticed but not being into to school girls her weight was not an issue and I did not pay that much attention. You clearly had a good look and had to comment yet I am the one who needs counselling ?
I have never justified eloping btw I just find it ridiculous that being attracted to a post puberty female is now regarded as paedophilia when clearly that is not the case here. Women have been desired for their beauty and youth for hundreds of years but apparently now you have to be at a magic age before someone finding you attractive is OK. I wish someone would tell that to the fashion industry who travel up and down the transiberian railway photographing 14 year olds in their underwear to find models to 'sell' on to agencies in the fashion capitals of the world as that is a process I find disgusting but none the less most women I know support it with cold hard cash spent on designer clothes.
Old 25 September 2012, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
WHAT!??????????????

The girl is 15 years old FFS!!

The adult is the male of 31 ......... the girl is innocent - jeeeeez, how can she be anything else?

Originally Posted by pslewis
Kids have ALWAYS said they are older than they are ........ nothing has changed!!
Contradicting yourself on the same page Pete? That's a first!

I'm not suggesting this story is right for a second, it's terrible. My point, however is that kids are exposed to what's left of society at a very young age are far from innocent. Either you are on your usual wind up or more naive than usual.
Old 25 September 2012, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
what's left of society

A bit apocolyptic...........
Old 25 September 2012, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
Exactly the same as being 16 would make no difference. He is her teacher and has abused his position of trust. Even if she was 18 it wouldn't be OK.

At best the bloke is a ******* tool, he has thrown his life down the pan for a few months of being the subject of a teenage crush which he has taken seriously. At worst he could have groomed her which will see him in jail for a very long time, that's if this ends happily and the girl goes home unharmed. The story and events don't give the impression she is at serious risk but who knows if he had ulterior motives.

That's about right. Most men should have the ***** to resist the charms of some sexy young bint, especially if married, and a teacher What a dick.

I saw a piccy of girl and she looked way more than 15. Not my type but heh........

Manhunt seems a liitle OTT.

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Are you referring to the teacher, or someone much closer to home?
I have no problem getting attention from women martin, its why my partner hates it when I go out without her as she knows I get a lot more attention than she is happy with.
Old 25 September 2012, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
A bit apocolyptic...........
[shrugs]
Old 25 September 2012, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I have no problem getting attention from women martin, its why my partner hates it when I go out without her as she knows I get a lot more attention than she is happy with.


Old 25 September 2012, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I think she is at a perfectly normal weight as far as I noticed but not being into to school girls her weight was not an issue and I did not pay that much attention. You clearly had a good look and had to comment yet I am the one who needs counselling ?
I have never justified eloping btw I just find it ridiculous that being attracted to a post puberty female is now regarded as paedophilia when clearly that is not the case here. Women have been desired for their beauty and youth for hundreds of years but apparently now you have to be at a magic age before someone finding you attractive is OK. I wish someone would tell that to the fashion industry who travel up and down the transiberian railway photographing 14 year olds in their underwear to find models to 'sell' on to agencies in the fashion capitals of the world as that is a process I find disgusting but none the less most women I know support it with cold hard cash spent on designer clothes.
Just answer the question .... how old is your daughter??
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I have no problem getting attention from women martin, its why my partner hates it when I go out without her as she knows I get a lot more attention than she is happy with.
You really have SERIOUS issues .... never have I been so sure of anything in my life - you are one messed up freak IMO.

You are now so insecure that you need to make believe your partner hates it when you go out alone ...... are you sure it's not the nurse at the nutty farm?
Old 25 September 2012, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Just answer the question .... how old is your daughter??
8 months and why would you suggest I am insecure ? As yet not one person has found any kind of a flaw in my thinking and yet you are all acting outraged and have failed to volunteer a credible reason why.
Old 25 September 2012, 10:38 PM
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like most fathers i would consider 8 years in a holiday camp good value , in exchange for ridding the world of any bloke who touches my daughter before she is at least 17 . people need to change thier mindset on here if they think its ok to have sex with KIDS no matter how old they may look or act
Old 25 September 2012, 11:01 PM
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Once again I find myself agreeing with LuanPb.

The girl is 15. In Scotland you can get married without your parents' consent at sixteen and for all intents and purposes are considered an adult able to make your own relationship decisions. If this guy wasn't a teacher and had just been banging and then run away with a 16 year old girl, it wouldn't even be news. Whether as a teacher he was in a position of responsibility and shouldn't have done it is another story, but to group the guy with people who are attracted to prepubescent children when the girl in question is just the wrong side of an arbitrary line, beyond which he would legally have done nothing wrong (again, if he wasn't a teacher), is ridiculous.

The fact is that some of you retards would want the guy lynched if she had been an hour away from her sixteenth birthday. Also bear in mind that humans develop and mature at slightly different rates, further clouding the area immediately around the arbitrary age of consent.

I think some of you should seriously engage your brain before you get angry.
Old 25 September 2012, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Once again I find myself agreeing with LuanPb.

The girl is 15. In Scotland you can get married without your parents' consent at sixteen and for all intents and purposes are considered an adult able to make your own relationship decisions. If this guy wasn't a teacher and had just been banging and then run away with a 16 year old girl, it wouldn't even be news. Whether as a teacher he was in a position of responsibility and shouldn't have done it is another story, but to group the guy with people who are attracted to prepubescent children when the girl in question is just the wrong side of an arbitrary line, beyond which he would legally have done nothing wrong (again, if he wasn't a teacher), is ridiculous.

The fact is that some of you retards would want the guy lynched if she had been an hour away from her sixteenth birthday. Also bear in mind that humans develop and mature at slightly different rates, further clouding the area immediately around the arbitrary age of consent.

I think some of you should seriously engage your brain before you get angry.
It's the law, whether you like it or not. No ifs or buts, what the bloke has done is fcuked up and he will be going to jail for this.
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
It's the law, whether you like it or not. No ifs or buts, what the bloke has done is fcuked up and he will be going to jail for this.
I didn't say he wouldn't be. My point is that, unless you're completely brainless, it can't be as fcuked up as you think it is. One day before a 16th birthday, you'd brand a guy a 'sick paedo', or words to that effect, and a day later on the right side of the law, it might be morally wrong, but she won't be a child and therefore he isn't a sick, twisted child abuser.

The logic on display here is more frightening than what this guy has done.

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The age of consent for females in France is 15, so I assume in the eyes of the French authorities even if these two are having sex, there is no charge to answer.

Is the main charge against him the fact he has taken a 15 year old girl out of the country without her parents consent?

I did a bit of googling and found this http://chartsbin.com/view/hxj some of the stats are surprising.

Does it follow that on an organised school trip to France, if a male teacher had sex with a 15 year old female student on one occasion while in France, where the girl had consented, there would be no charge to answer, other than inappropriate behaviour in the eyes of his employer??
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
I didn't say he wouldn't be. My point is that, unless you're completely brainless, it can't be as fcuked up as you think it is. One day before a 16th birthday, you'd brand a guy a 'sick paedo', or words to that effect, and a day later on the right side of the law, it might be morally wrong, but she won't be a child and therefore he isn't a sick, twisted child abuser.

The logic on display here is more frightening that what this guy has done.
You are completely ignoring the fact he is her teacher and therefore yes it is very fcuked up. If everyone thought it wasn't a big issue like you do then it wouldn't be such big news. And until a person turns 18 they are still legally a child in the UK.
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Originally Posted by tarmac terror
The age of consent for females in France is 15, so I assume in the eyes of the French authorities even if these two are having sex, there is no charge to answer.

Is the main charge against him the fact he has taken a 15 year old girl out of the country without her parents consent?

I did a bit of googling and found this http://chartsbin.com/view/hxj some of the stats are surprising.

Does it follow that on an organised school trip to France, if a male teacher had sex with a 15 year old female student on one occasion while in France, where the girl had consented, there would be no charge to answer, other than inappropriate behyaviour in the eyes of his employer??
Is it kidnap, she must have gone willingly with her own passport.
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I can remember exactly what i was like at 15 (wasn't even that long a go) and i definitely wanted to bang several of my teachers.
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
You are completely ignoring the fact he is her teacher and therefore yes it is very fcuked up. If everyone thought it wasn't a big issue like you do then it wouldn't be such big news. And until a person turns 18 they are still legally a child in the UK.
Don't get me wrong, if it was a girl in my family or anyone I knew, I'd be worried sick. But the main thing for me would be establishing where she was and whether she went of her own accord. It would be the same whether she was 16, 17 or 18 even if she consented. But this whole paedo manhunt thing is totally over-the-top and irrational. As I say, for all intents and purposes, this guy will have this on his record for life, and no one will differentiate between him and someone who has abused little kids. That is wrong IMO.

If he has taken her and is keeping her against her will, then it is a whole different set of circumstances. But the way it was looking when I last heard it on the news, that is not the case. If she is of the age to have a boyfriend of maybe 17 that would seem more normal but who she could still run off with, I don't think it matters who the guy is. However, the fact that he was a teacher does change things. My point is simply that it doesn't make sense to call him sick or a paedo, regardless of what the law says. He is not in the same camp as a kiddy fiddler.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Don't get me wrong, if it was a girl in my family or anyone I knew, I'd be worried sick. But the main thing for me would be establishing where she was and whether she went of her own accord. It would be the same whether she was 16, 17 or 18 even if she consented. But this whole paedo manhunt thing is totally over-the-top and irrational. As I say, for all intents and purposes, this guy will have this on his record for life, and no one will differentiate between him and someone who has abused little kids. That is wrong IMO.

If he has taken her and is keeping her against her will, then it is a whole different set of circumstances. But the way it was looking when I last heard it on the news, that is not the case. If she is of the age to have a boyfriend of maybe 17 that would seem more normal but who she could still run off with, I don't think it matters who the guy is. However, the fact that he was a teacher does change things. My point is simply that it doesn't make sense to call him sick or a paedo, regardless of what the law says. He is not in the same camp as a kiddy fiddler.
I agree with you on all of that but unfortunately the bloke knew the risks and he will end up on the sex offenders register for it. It beggars belief because no relationship is worth that and like OP said wtf was he thinking. I think the manhunt first and foremost is because there has been no contact. They can't assume she is safe and there is always the risk however unlikely that he groomed her.
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
8 months and why would you suggest I am insecure ? As yet not one person has found any kind of a flaw in my thinking and yet you are all acting outraged and have failed to volunteer a credible reason why.
Come back and talk to us when she is 12 years old ..... I guarantee you will not be spouting the utter crap you are now.

You will have matured by 11 years too - hopefully, at 27 you will be able to see clearer.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
I didn't say he wouldn't be. My point is that, unless you're completely brainless, it can't be as fcuked up as you think it is. One day before a 16th birthday, you'd brand a guy a 'sick paedo', or words to that effect, and a day later on the right side of the law, it might be morally wrong, but she won't be a child and therefore he isn't a sick, twisted child abuser.

The logic on display here is more frightening than what this guy has done.

GK let's be absolutely clear, in case i'm within your generalisation, i'm not accusing the bloke of being a paedophile per se. Yes you're right, 15 and 364 days is no different from 16, except in the eyes of the law and yes, the red-top press do sensationalise cases like this with the P word when clearly it's not abuse without consent, that's entirely different.

But this is a situation where an immature girl has been groomed by a man 16 years her senior, this isn't a teenage fumble while the parents are downstairs, this is an orchestrated and deeply misguided case of gaining a girl's trust who clearly isn't old enough to fully understand what is happening to her or the risks she is taking. For that alone he is absolutely culpable.

I was interested today to see pictures of his tattoos. Whilst not wishing to go there more than necessary, any man who has a representation of Little Red Riding Hood with a wolf, and also flowers with a wolf on the other arm, makes me more concerned than i was for her safety. This bloke is a wrong-un and i hope she isn't used to fulfill some dark fantasy he might be harbouring.
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This chap is a complete idiot who has thrown everything away. There has been a lot of talk of her perhaps being close to being 16, but that is irrelevant due to his position as her teacher. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, a person over the age of 18, who is in a position of trust over a person under 18, commits a criminal offence if they involve the younger person in sexual activity.

She is way younger than 18.
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I'll probably get blasted for this but how do we know there's been sexual activity?


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