The Trooper 1815

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There was a young lad on NMTBC the other night who had 17 Mylie Cyrus tattoo's on his arms and legs. Is he a wrong-un? Or an overly obsessed fan?

We have no idea who initiated the relationship, like most people on here I do not condone the fact he did abuse his position of trust as a teacher but you cannot get away from the fact that society is mainly at fault. I said it in one of the first posts that the over sexualisation of teenagers and what they are allowed by society to get away with. Do you remember the Sun's Countdown to Charlotte Church's 16th? Sick as f**k.

I have two daughters, a grandaughter, grandson and a grand "something" (March 2013), I really fear for their future and how society will have changed by the time they are older.

But the school as an history of f**k up's as you will see from the link in th OP. Still don't make it right but what if they had acted sooner?

TelBoy

In case you're making assumptions in your head, i'm not saying he's a wrong-un because he has disturbing tattoos, just that they add to the overall picture, for me at least. Few people would have a tattoo like his without there being a story behind it, i'll put any money on it. All i'm hoping is that he just got swept up in the excitement of it all and it will end without incident when they come to their senses. If however he has a darker side (remember the "ever so nice" chap Tabak who murdered two Christmases ago?) then her safety might be in jeopardy. Let's hope not.

dpb

Indeed

stilover

The mistake this bloke has made, is not waiting till she was 16.

People have their own moral compass, but 16 is legal. Therefore he could happily plug away in her with no legal repercussions.

Some 16 year old are more mature than others. I'm 38, and if the girls was mentally more mature than her 16 years, I'd sleep with her. Why not?

Is it legal? Yes. Is it morally right? each to their own.

Am I a Pedophile? No. Because there is no way I'd have sex with an underage girl.

He just should have waited, as once caught, he ain't going to see her again.

An0n0m0us

Have you read the story? Waiting until she was 16 or even 18 wouldn't have made a jot of difference, he is her teacher and therefore not allowed to have a relationship with any pupil at any age.

Moley

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No wonder kids struggle at school these days.

To pass their Maths exam they need to do French oral.

Moley

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Now that he has taken her virginity, Megan Stammers' teacher has given her one last maths question.

"If the dimensions are 6ft long, 3ft wide and 4ft deep, what is the volume of this grave?"

David Lock

Didn't know he had run off with Dawn French??

dl

Wurzel

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How do you know he took it? She might have already been a raving nympho before she ran off with him.

David Lock

Yeah, she'd already had the French and Geography teachers

dl

Wurzel

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P1Fanatic

Interesting thread for lunch time reading other than black ctr who sounds like he is only 15 himself.

If he wasn't a teacher I don't think we would even be talking about this. But he is and has ruined his career and most likely his life by doing something that any decent teacher knows it totally unacceptable.

boxst

Yes. This.

Well, I would still say he is an idiot for not waiting until she is sixteen as any intimacy is statutory rape.

cster

Well if the age of consent in France is 15, I guess no law is being broken there.

dpb

Yes they didn't choose France because it's closest

ALi-B

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I'm going to love saying this...every Sun reader is a Peado

Its culturally ingrained IMO. Going back before medieval times men have always typically gone for women/girls of a younger age. How much younger? Well, in some cases younger than 15. Yet it was OK back then (and still OK in some other countries)? Yet somehow after the Victorian that changed.....need I remind to some commentators on here that in the 1860's the age of consent was ten years old...two years before the legal age of marriage!! It took until 1885 for the still current age of consent to rise to 16 years (unless married..yes they could still marry and have sex with a 12 year old). And why was that done? To control prostitution and spread of disease. So with that in mind, many people's great great granddads are probably paedos by today's standards.

Fast forward back to today we have the Sun newspaper and lads mags laying in wait for a girl to turn 16 so she can get her **** out. And episodes of South Park implying its OK for a child to have a relationship with a teacher (quote: "Mmmm...Nice" ).

Its easy to take the moral high ground, but society is guilty, as we allow it; There are plenty of pre-16 yr old girls popping out babies. At some point in modern history we'd call them all Bastard Childs and pressure the mother to give up the bastard for adoption to a married couple. So to me the age is irrelevant; So long as we have 15yr old girls making bastards my opinion won't change on that.

HOWEVER....teacher+pupil. That's a no no. Even if South Park condones it.

Although I'm led to believe this is a extra-curricular teacher? Other reports state that she has a Step mother and Step father....so Megan is adopted or not? Why the white wash?....reader comments noticing this on the newspapers have been deleted.

To me that points to a kid from a broken family not knowing her place in life. Deeply venerable, no sense of belonging at home, probably feels rejected and wanting for someone to accept her without trying to control her. Nothing new; typical teenager rebel vs parents thing really, but the adoptive parents probably tips the balance of reason.

The police cocked up too, as before eloping they seized the pairs mobile phones.....durrr. If anything was going to force them to do something out of desperation...that was it. Well done, plod.

And as for Forrest?. Probably a mid-life crisis, he married last year, things are probably not working out at home/work, depressed, then lets a teenage crush get the better of him. He'll come round to his senses sooner or later, probably when the money runs out....but will he accept the consequences? I reckon we may have a suicider on our hands here.

boxst

I don't think that is true. Certainly the US (and I thought the UK) will prosecute as you have broken laws in your home country.

This was specifically put in place to stop people wandering off to Asia and having sex with 14 year olds.

cster

Don't forget their proclivity for fantasising about women dressed up as school girls.
That paper is about as paedo as they get.
I would go so far as to wager, that if you did a poll, it would be the most popular read for British Paedos.
ps I take the Thunderer.

Geezer

The guy is an idiot for doing what he ash done. Where does he think it's going to end? As for him being a paedophile, absolutly not. In law yes, in reality, no. This is nothing like being a sexual predator for pre-pubescent girls.

She is not some child, she is inexperienced, possibly naive, but at 15 she is physically a woman, albeit a young one.

She is sexually mature, and evolution has made famales child bearing from an early age for a reason. It's only our made up morals that decide it's wrong. In some countries, she would be rather old to not be married, or have bourne children. He is a paedophile because of geography, not because he has (probably) had sex with a younger woman.

Personally, I would find girls of that age rather annoying, they are of no interest, but that doesn't mean they cannot be attractive to a man of his age (or indeed any age) physically.

If he had really cared for her, why not wait until she was 16 though? OK, he would probably have lost his job, but he wouldn't have gone to prison.

Some people really are dumb.

Geezer

Kwik

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I can't be assed to read all 4 pages but in all honesty we are talking about a situation we know very little about. What we do know as has already been said is the girls Father isn't around. There could be 2 scenario's here.

1. The Teacher could have abused his position on an impressionable young girl and slowly over time persuaded her to be with him.
2. The Teacher could have spared a lot of time with a young girl who could have been possibly experiencing problems with her home life and offered a shoulder to cry on. It could quite easily have been her persuading him for a long time that she wanted him and he could have spent a long time resisting. God knows how she dressed, god knows how many partners she's already had if any.

Lets remember she's 15 and obviously consenting (if there is a sexual element). It'd be a totally different story if she was younger.

Leslie

I believe that they are both to blame for the situation.

The girl is well past the age of reason and she must realise that it is wrong to run off with a married man anyway, but also that she is being very silly to get mixed up in such an affair and also the grief she is causing to the rest of her family.

The man has absolutely no excuse to take advantage of his position as a teacher to influence her to do what she has done or to break the law as he is doing. He is by far the major offender of course and deserves a big penalty when he is eventually brought to justice as I hope he is very soon. What possible kind of a sensible future can there be in their action.

Les

GlesgaKiss

We had one in her mid twenties who was very naturally good looking, always tanned, and used to bend over and reveal a g string.

IF ONLY she would have taken advantage of me from her position of trust!

I can't see how that would have been anything other than fantastic for me. And I think that now, at least 10 years later. Obviously this may be different, but it does illustrate the point that, had that happened to me, it would have been quite an injustice for her to have her life ruined by the state.

David Lock

IIRC statutory rape is 12 and under. Serious stuff. Knocking off a 15 year old (unless you're a teacher) is less serious. And probably more enjoyable.

dl

Wurzel

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Only probably more?????

I would have said it was a forgone conclusion that it would be more enjoyable? What enjoyment could you possibly get from a 12 yr old?

Geezer

Ask a 9 yr old who likes "older women".......

Geezer

Wurzel

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True! Never thought of it from that angle

David Lock

You are correct of course. I used the word "probably" to distance myself from the concept

"Is more enjoyable" sounds as if I know from personal experience.

dl

Must see if Lolita is on You Tube

ALi-B

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I think we can conclude that being an ephebophile doesn't mean you're a peado......or does it?

EddScott

When I was in school a young female maths teacher left under a bit of a cloud. She had started seeing one of the 6th formers. Southpark "Nice" springs to mind because she was. I did work experience at the same place as the lad and went into town with them. Kind of weird your mate being with a teacher and I kept calling her Miss which didn't go down well.

Its interesting to see how different the cases are treated when its the other way round - granted my friend was over 16 but still the teacher/pupil thing.

Wurzel

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i might agree with you if I knew what an ephebophile was