Seven Royal Marines arrested.
16 October 2012, 09:30 AM
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You now say that you meant Iraq and Iran (btw wtf has Iran got to do with anything). You just changed the argument when you realised you were wrong, you did the usual trick of conflating and deflecting.
You've just answered my so called bull **** facts with out any proof,which makes it an opinion. So please can you clarify or provide facts to back up your opinion of A) We are not a war machine and B) that our economy does not thrive on the exports of weapons.
And the Northern Alliance, was not the ruling goverment 
So I am not sure where you got your facts from as there were two tribes battling for power one being the Northern Alliance. Who were then armed by the states.
So I am not sure where you got your facts from as there were two tribes battling for power one being the Northern Alliance. Who were then armed by the states.
It Arabia all over again you do know the History behind Arabia don't you? Google can be your best friend 
Other then what you have heard in the news what do you really know about the situation..........what pro active effort have you made?
Where is/was your sense of outrage at the murder of innocents in Afghanistan by the Taliban?
Why are you so desperate to invent/believe anti-western drivel?
Why are you conflating issues and being deliberately evasive?
I'd really like to understand your view on how we got to the situation we are in now and what we should do about it?
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16 October 2012, 09:36 AM
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Apology not necessary but mate, you can't go to war and just "kill people". Rules of engagement are there for a reason, even though i know it seems bizarre to have "war rules". Every soldier will be in no doubt about what they are, and are not allowed to do. I'm very sure that murders do take place, maybe regularly, and under the cloak of battle most probably go unnoticed, but if you're unlucky enough to get caught, you have to face the consequences. Like these five will.
16 October 2012, 09:56 AM
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Indeed. But it can seem bizarre when the enemy clearly aren't implementing any noticeable rules of engagement. It must be so tempting to administer a bullet through the head of somebody who wants you dead rather than go through the rigmarole of imprisoning etc.
16 October 2012, 10:07 AM
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If you had mates killed out there by these people you would have a different frame of mind,, and again I ain't saying murder is right , but no one knows the ins and outs of this story, we all know how much the British media are behind our forces ! We know that the royal marine commandos are the best infantry soldiers in the world , and these few people clearly have,nt displayed the commando ethos, however commandos show selfless commitment everyday they fight for there country!
16 October 2012, 10:16 AM
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If you had mates killed out there by these people you would have a different frame of mind,, and again I ain't saying murder is right , but no one knows the ins and outs of this story, we all know how much the British media are behind our forces ! We know that the royal marine commandos are the best infantry soldiers in the world , and these few people clearly have,nt displayed the commando ethos, however commandos show selfless commitment everyday they fight for there gov!
16 October 2012, 10:45 AM
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If you cannot see that for yourself then i pity you.
16 October 2012, 10:49 AM
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I know this clearly, IMHO it's just typical Civilian outlook on the armed forces. These people deserve respect and not any doctor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358
16 October 2012, 11:22 AM
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Face facts, we are only in Afghan due to the government and their tongue firmly in American ***.
And why do you need to characterize this issue in those terms?
You seem to want to forget the whole trail of events that have lead us to this point - I don't understand.
16 October 2012, 11:25 AM
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I know this clearly, IMHO it's just typical Civilian outlook on the armed forces. These people deserve respect and not any doctor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358
16 October 2012, 11:28 AM
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Juggers deals in unfalsifiable nonsense. Stop wasting your time.
16 October 2012, 12:05 PM
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16 October 2012, 12:10 PM
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16 October 2012, 12:31 PM
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The sensible bits are interesting however they are still a little on the boring side. Too much into the way you look etc and not enough talk of manners and so on so forth.
16 October 2012, 12:50 PM
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What are "sensible bits" and in what way are the "sensible bits" interesting, please? I trust you're not being deliberately obscure because you lack the courage of your convictions, Shaid.
16 October 2012, 12:58 PM
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Juggers / Shaid
The thing that I fail to understand here is, why just because you are a Muslim do you HAVE to think that everything we are doing in Afghanistan is bad?
There is a complete lack of balance in your arguments, no thought, just dogma
There is absolutely no rationality in that.
The thing that I fail to understand here is, why just because you are a Muslim do you HAVE to think that everything we are doing in Afghanistan is bad?
There is a complete lack of balance in your arguments, no thought, just dogma
There is absolutely no rationality in that.
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16 October 2012, 01:03 PM
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Martin, i'm actually a bit racist. I don't like Afghans or Arabs. However my personal views and morals are not dictated by society or religion. Afghanistan was wrong. Taliban were and are still ********. Now they have an offshoot in Pakistan who are a bunch of flippin idiots too. Saying that it was wrong for us to go and invade the country. Why it is wrong needs no argument as it is self explanatory.
16 October 2012, 01:14 PM
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There are there mentoring the afghan security forces along with the rest of the international security assistance force, to help with the transition process of Helmand
16 October 2012, 01:18 PM
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16 October 2012, 01:21 PM
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Martin, i'm actually a bit racist. I don't like Afghans or Arabs. However my personal views and morals are not dictated by society or religion. Afghanistan was wrong. Taliban were and are still ********. Now they have an offshoot in Pakistan who are a bunch of flippin idiots too. Saying that it was wrong for us to go and invade the country. Why it is wrong needs no argument as it is self explanatory.
Given the events of 2001, I'm not sure how things could possibly have been different.
I think you are using the word 'invade' inaccurately. We didn't invade.
16 October 2012, 01:22 PM
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Don't want this to get ott but everyone has there own views, I've been there twice and I've seen the difference an ISAF presence is doing it that particular province of Helmand, and not to mention all the jobs created for the local population, on having spoke to many a local elder in different villages around nahr-e- Saraj district they are more than happy with our presence.
16 October 2012, 01:24 PM
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Your reasoning is because the motives are apparently good, then in reality they must be bad??
16 October 2012, 01:25 PM
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If the man is a prisoner and is unable to carry out any kind of aggressive act then he should be treated in a civilised manner.
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16 October 2012, 01:25 PM
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Don't want this to get ott but everyone has there own views, I've been there twice and I've seen the difference an ISAF presence is doing it that particular province of Helmand, and not to mention all the jobs created for the local population, on having spoke to many a local elder in different villages around nahr-e- Saraj district they are more than happy with our presence.
16 October 2012, 01:32 PM
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What will be, will be. And the truth may come out one day but i doupt it.
As dragons den style 'im out'
16 October 2012, 01:45 PM
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Im not even gonna bother with this tbh as everyone has their own views and i respect that we have all been tought different, as has been proved on many other threads it goes nowhere.
What will be, will be. And the truth may come out one day but i doupt it.
As dragons den style 'im out'
What will be, will be. And the truth may come out one day but i doupt it.
As dragons den style 'im out'