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16 October 2012, 02:15 PM
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16 October 2012, 05:02 PM
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Martin2005 it's not just Muslims who believe the war is illegal it's none Muslims who are at the for front of all the major campaigns.
Where do these bell ends come from, The majority of my mates are English 70% white a mixture of council estate thugs and professionals and they all seem to agree the war in Afghanistan and Iraq is all about OIL. I suggest you pull your heads out your *** and stop arguing just for the sake of it.
Here's a nice video to watch and I/we are just as guilty as the perpetrators as we sit at home and do sweet FA about it.
Where do these bell ends come from, The majority of my mates are English 70% white a mixture of council estate thugs and professionals and they all seem to agree the war in Afghanistan and Iraq is all about OIL. I suggest you pull your heads out your *** and stop arguing just for the sake of it.
Here's a nice video to watch and I/we are just as guilty as the perpetrators as we sit at home and do sweet FA about it.
16 October 2012, 05:16 PM
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Martin2005 it's not just Muslims who believe the war is illegal it's none Muslims who are at the for front of all the major campaigns.
Where do these bell ends come from, The majority of my mates are English 70% white a mixture of council estate thugs and professionals and they all seem to agree the war in Afghanistan and Iraq is all about OIL. I suggest you pull your heads out your *** and stop arguing just for the sake of it.
Here's a nice video to watch and I/we are just as guilty as the perpetrators as we sit at home and do sweet FA about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1MazfmZYxw
Where do these bell ends come from, The majority of my mates are English 70% white a mixture of council estate thugs and professionals and they all seem to agree the war in Afghanistan and Iraq is all about OIL. I suggest you pull your heads out your *** and stop arguing just for the sake of it.
Here's a nice video to watch and I/we are just as guilty as the perpetrators as we sit at home and do sweet FA about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1MazfmZYxw
So now you are using non-facts and a non-survey of your mates to arbitrate what constitutes a breach of international law.
So in your world I need to 'pull my head out my ***' because I use logic and reason to form an argument??
You're a very strange chap
16 October 2012, 07:36 PM
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I don't think I am blinkered and agree that the military get things wrong, so do the police, fire service, social service, the courts et al but these incidences are few and far between. These organisations are all recruited from the society we live in, so expect problems.
I challenge you again to provide solid evidence, I really want to support and help.
CREWJ, have I missed or said something racial?
I was just refering to the fact that 70% of juggers mate think Afghanistan as Oil and are therefore ill informed.
16 October 2012, 07:39 PM
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Did you not watch the video Soldiers them selfs admitting what is going on out there
It's no survey lol............ it is my world and one that is cultured with people from all backgrounds and beliefs Black, White, Brown,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and atheist I get on with every single one of them my mother in-law is caucasian my best mate from school caucasian.
So what facts do you actually have or know other than the news?
What do you know about Afghanistan and Iraq other than what you hear in the news have you ever been to either of these country's before the wars and after have you ever talked to any of the families who have lost loved ones?
Have you monitored the share prices and profits of some of the arms suppliers who won contracts prior to the war?
Answer the above go on?
Answer me why we never invaded Ireland to hunt down the IRA who have killed more innocent British civilians than any other terrorist organisation?
Were the "Potatoes" not worth it?
Go on smart *** seen as tho you have all the facts.
TROOPER YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE FACTS TO so please enlighten us.
16 October 2012, 07:43 PM
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OK Pete, you have failed to provide any solid evidence after our PM conversations and state those involved "lied" to get away with the alleged offence committed against your friend, if they lied, as you said, then I can also address these concerns. You cannot even confirm where they are from or even if they where genuinely in the Forces!
I don't think I am blinkered and agree that the military get things wrong, so do the police, fire service, social service, the courts et al but these incidences are few and far between. These organisations are all recruited from the society we live in, so expect problems.
I challenge you again to provide solid evidence, I really want to support and help.
CREWJ, have I missed or said something racial?
I was just refering to the fact that 70% of juggers mate think Afghanistan as Oil and are therefore ill informed.
I don't think I am blinkered and agree that the military get things wrong, so do the police, fire service, social service, the courts et al but these incidences are few and far between. These organisations are all recruited from the society we live in, so expect problems.
I challenge you again to provide solid evidence, I really want to support and help.
CREWJ, have I missed or said something racial?
I was just refering to the fact that 70% of juggers mate think Afghanistan as Oil and are therefore ill informed.
Trooper you should practise what you preach as you are also informed. Google is your friend
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
16 October 2012, 07:54 PM
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It's no survey lol............ it is my world and one that is cultured with people from all backgrounds and beliefs Black, White, Brown,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and atheist I get on with every single one of them my mother in-law is caucasian my best mate from school caucasian.
So what facts do you actually have or know other than the news?
What do you know about Afghanistan and Iraq other than what you hear in the news have you ever been to either of these country's before the wars and after have you ever talked to any of the families who have lost loved ones?
Have you monitored the share prices and profits of some of the arms suppliers who won contracts prior to the war?
Answer the above go on?
Answer me why we never invaded Ireland to hunt down the IRA who have killed more innocent British civilians than any other terrorist organisation?
Were the "Potatoes" not worth it?
Were the "Potatoes" not worth it?
Plus we are talking about a threat of an entirely different order of magnitude
Go on smart *** seen as tho you have all the facts.
TROOPER YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE FACTS TO so please enlighten us.
16 October 2012, 08:00 PM
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Did you not watch the video Soldiers them selfs admitting what is going on out there
It's no survey lol............ it is my world and one that is cultured with people from all backgrounds and beliefs Black, White, Brown,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and atheist I get on with every single one of them my mother in-law is caucasian my best mate from school caucasian.
So what facts do you actually have or know other than the news?
What do you know about Afghanistan and Iraq other than what you hear in the news have you ever been to either of these country's before the wars and after have you ever talked to any of the families who have lost loved ones?
Have you monitored the share prices and profits of some of the arms suppliers who won contracts prior to the war?
Answer the above go on?
Answer me why we never invaded Ireland to hunt down the IRA who have killed more innocent British civilians than any other terrorist organisation?
Were the "Potatoes" not worth it?
Go on smart *** seen as tho you have all the facts.
TROOPER YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE FACTS TO so please enlighten us.
It's no survey lol............ it is my world and one that is cultured with people from all backgrounds and beliefs Black, White, Brown,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and atheist I get on with every single one of them my mother in-law is caucasian my best mate from school caucasian.
So what facts do you actually have or know other than the news?
What do you know about Afghanistan and Iraq other than what you hear in the news have you ever been to either of these country's before the wars and after have you ever talked to any of the families who have lost loved ones?
Have you monitored the share prices and profits of some of the arms suppliers who won contracts prior to the war?
Answer the above go on?
Answer me why we never invaded Ireland to hunt down the IRA who have killed more innocent British civilians than any other terrorist organisation?
Were the "Potatoes" not worth it?
Go on smart *** seen as tho you have all the facts.
TROOPER YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE FACTS TO so please enlighten us.
Does Afghanistan have oil? No.
The nebulus Afghan Government invited us in to help, fact.
Op Banner lasted over 30 years, that took place in Northern Ireland, fact.
The Southern Irish had a plan to invade Northern Ireland but the deployment of British troops stopped it, fact.
We did not invade as the Republic of Eire is a neutral nation under the Geneva Convention, fact.
The Marines maybe guilty, not proven, so not fact.
The Allies committed more acts of rape after crossing the Rhine than the Germans, fact.
But the Germans committed as many when they came this way, fact.
Have you monitered the share prices of oil companies since we "invaded" Afghanistan? They went up but Afghanistan as no oil!
My tone as been considered and none agressive but some are busting blood vessels because they don't agree. Like most people we believe what we believe, I don't do it through faith but just considered judgement.
Careful editing can easily twist the truth and facts. Or if not then I also hope they swing like fruit.
I am not condoning what happened but there have been some massively sweeping generalisations about these people and the situation they are in and how they got there.
As reason needs to be used and this is ScoobyNet I feel that this one may roll on for some time.
16 October 2012, 08:05 PM
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OK Pete, you have failed to provide any solid evidence after our PM conversations and state those involved "lied" to get away with the alleged offence committed against your friend, if they lied, as you said, then I can also address these concerns. You cannot even confirm where they are from or even if they where genuinely in the Forces!
16 October 2012, 08:07 PM
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Trooper you should practise what you preach as you are also informed. Google is your friend
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
So it's not a proven fact then?
And the Chinese (as they are doing in Africa) not America will be in first.
"China's top integrated copper producer, Jiangxi Copper Co and China Metallurgical Group Corp, in 2007 became the first major investor in Afghanistan.
They are involved in the exploration of the vast multi-billion dollar Aynak Copper Mine to the south of Kabul. Omar said the actual exploration of the mine will start after three years."
And the Afghans will be ruling themselves in a peaceful democracy by then, of course. Just my opinion though
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16 October 2012, 08:58 PM
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Trooper lol
I don't know where to start
You've just said again there is no OIL in Afghanistan when there obviously is
And to try and back up your ignorance you have taken a few sentences out of context and highlighted them. This is a great example of what people do when they are in the wrong and have something to hide.
Instead of admitting that your not as smart as you thought you were and that you should of at least googled it you decide to continue with your "ill informed facts"
However you do seem like a decent chap, and I would imagine you as a Soldier would feel the need to reinforce the reasons why we went to war.
So that all those lifes of the innocent people men,women and children of Afghanistan, Iraq and those British service men (half of them only young kids 16-19) did not go to waste lining the pockets of the rich,corrupt and corporate organisations.
That way you can sleep at night knowing that you weren't just a puppet and you are an actual hero.
There are many men in this world good and bad. Some people think by not getting involved we have no party to what's gone on. The one that watch's is just as bad as the one that commits .We the British public are just as guilty as those 5 Men as it is us who have allowed all of this to happen.
Shame on us all
I don't know where to start
You've just said again there is no OIL in Afghanistan when there obviously is
And to try and back up your ignorance you have taken a few sentences out of context and highlighted them. This is a great example of what people do when they are in the wrong and have something to hide.
Instead of admitting that your not as smart as you thought you were and that you should of at least googled it you decide to continue with your "ill informed facts"
However you do seem like a decent chap, and I would imagine you as a Soldier would feel the need to reinforce the reasons why we went to war.
So that all those lifes of the innocent people men,women and children of Afghanistan, Iraq and those British service men (half of them only young kids 16-19) did not go to waste lining the pockets of the rich,corrupt and corporate organisations.
That way you can sleep at night knowing that you weren't just a puppet and you are an actual hero.
There are many men in this world good and bad. Some people think by not getting involved we have no party to what's gone on. The one that watch's is just as bad as the one that commits .We the British public are just as guilty as those 5 Men as it is us who have allowed all of this to happen.
Shame on us all
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16 October 2012, 09:12 PM
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16 October 2012, 09:33 PM
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You are right in how veterans justify the wars to themselves however every one I have spoken to stated that the war will not be won by force but an Afghan solution is the only way. One even told me if he was an Afghan he would fight for his country.
Iraq is all about oil and Afghanistan is about untapped mineral wealth. It does take a big man to admit they have been used as a pawn in the great game of chess.
A soldier is property of its owner and they are free to use them as they please. A soldier is simply there to obey orders. No soldier should face the guilt trip over what they had done. They should never face abuse or humiliation due to the orders they had to obey. In the same breath the public should stop idolising soldiers, no need to dramatize what they have been through and no need for the whole sympathy thing. They are soldiers, stop turning them into woosies. Obviously murdering types should be given the boot into the nearest window less cell.
Lol @ JTaylor
16 October 2012, 10:40 PM
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[QUOTE]
Shaid, you are doing exactly the same as Juggers, making things up and conflating Iraq and Afghanistan!
You are flat wrong on this; there was OVERWHELMING support in this country for the action in Afghanistan post 9-11
Sorry I don't agree here fella. The British public (well the sane parts) did not want this war. We protested against it, held rallies and all sorts. The gov were going to do what they wanted regardless. By accepting blame we are justifying blaming Muslims for the actions of a few nutters.
Shaid, you are doing exactly the same as Juggers, making things up and conflating Iraq and Afghanistan!
You are flat wrong on this; there was OVERWHELMING support in this country for the action in Afghanistan post 9-11
16 October 2012, 11:03 PM
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[QUOTE=Martin2005;10831776]
Shaid, you are doing exactly the same as Juggers, making things up and conflating Iraq and Afghanistan!
You are flat wrong on this; there was OVERWHELMING support in this country for the action in Afghanistan post 9-11
16 October 2012, 11:07 PM
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[QUOTE=juggers;10831792]This is the problem people feel as tho they have no responsibility of the actions of another by standing and watching. It is exactly the same shameless act committed while one watch's another get mugged or robbed and does nothing about it..........why......because it has nothing to do with them.
I'm pretty sure there's oil in most places if you look hard enough for it
Does mean that your theory goes something like this...
The US flew planes into the twin towers and the pentagon, killing 3,000 people, so that they could declare war on Afghanistan and nick their meager oil supplies?
Is that what you really think?
Does mean that your theory goes something like this...
The US flew planes into the twin towers and the pentagon, killing 3,000 people, so that they could declare war on Afghanistan and nick their meager oil supplies?
Is that what you really think?
16 October 2012, 11:17 PM
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PMSL........where have I stated the above? 
I see what your trying to do as you have no ammunition left now do you?.....your a Plonker Martin crawl back into your hole.
Can't wait for your reply
This is the problem people feel as tho they have no responsibility of the actions of another by standing and watching. It is exactly the same shameless act committed while one watch's another get mugged or robbed and does nothing about it..........why......because it has nothing to do with them.
I'm pretty sure there's oil in most places if you look hard enough for it
Does mean that your theory goes something like this...
The US flew planes into the twin towers and the pentagon, killing 3,000 people, so that they could declare war on Afghanistan and nick their meager oil supplies?
Is that what you really think?
I'm pretty sure there's oil in most places if you look hard enough for it
Does mean that your theory goes something like this...
The US flew planes into the twin towers and the pentagon, killing 3,000 people, so that they could declare war on Afghanistan and nick their meager oil supplies?
Is that what you really think?
I see what your trying to do as you have no ammunition left now do you?.....your a Plonker Martin crawl back into your hole.
Can't wait for your reply
16 October 2012, 11:40 PM
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I will continue to keep this polite even if you cannot - I can only conclude that the more desperate you become (as your arguments are manifestly pulled apart) the ruder you become.
BTW, I didn't say that you stated that the Americans were behind 9-11, but you sure as hell imply it with you line of reasoning.
Why don't you just answer my earlier question; how did we get to where we are with regards to Afghanistan? I think if you did that I'd understand where you are coming from
I will continue to keep this polite even if you cannot - I can only conclude that the more desperate you become (as your arguments are manifestly pulled apart) the ruder you become.
BTW, I didn't say that you stated that the Americans were behind 9-11, but you sure as hell imply it with you line of reasoning.
Why don't you just answer my earlier question; how did we get to where we are with regards to Afghanistan? I think if you did that I'd understand where you are coming from