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Old 16 October 2012, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
The Royal Marines are animals ...... which is what we want them to be in the warzone.

They rape, torture and murder ... although, normally, this is overlooked in foreign lands. The Taliban may be mad - but don't ever think that our forces act like angels!

The real problem is that they act like animals when back home too. This case is being held in a Military Court - or the true facts of these animals actions at home may be aired too, and we wouldn't want to hear that, would we?
Pete I often find what you write witty funny and sometimes though provoking.

This however is your worst post and I will never think of you in the same light again.

As an ex bootneck I find that extremely offfensive. The Royal Marines are amongst the most highly trained disciplined soldiers in the world and whilst some aren't angels to say they go around raping and murdering people is complete and utter bollocks.

In short you should be f*cking ashamed of yourself for writing such BS.
Old 16 October 2012, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wazz777
Oh really?

I'm a current serving Royal marine and just so happend to be out there last year when the above allegations took place. It is all b******s.

Your uneducated and ill informed views are typical of the modern day inbred idiot. Yes we make mistakes and it may seem what we do is wrong. But in the heat of the moment only YOU can question your actions. Not some fat p***k sat at a keyboard looking into a world he knows nothing about. As long as those actions can be justified then no-one can tell you you were wrong. Even a military court.

I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself. I wonder if someone like you and your strong views would have the minerals to say that to our face? Probably not, much easier behind a computer.

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Well said Royal, Norton Manor I presume??
Old 17 October 2012, 12:54 AM
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[QUOTE=Martin2005;10831809]
Originally Posted by juggers


I will continue to keep this polite even if you cannot - I can only conclude that the more desperate you become (as your arguments are manifestly pulled apart) the ruder you become.

BTW, I didn't say that you stated that the Americans were behind 9-11, but you sure as hell imply it with you line of reasoning.

Why don't you just answer my earlier question; how did we get to where we are with regards to Afghanistan? I think if you did that I'd understand where you are coming from
The more desperate I become? the more ruder I become ? come on Martin come better than that. For someone who claims to know the War is not illegal where are all your facts?

So lets get this straight ......because I believe the War was illegal my line of thought is that of believing 9/11 was done by the American Government?
How have you come to this conclusion?

In answer to your question we the British find ourselves there to make claim on the resources. On the back of the American invasion.

Does this answer your question or are you after the root cause? Please can you answer my questions from earlier on? And please make sure you google before answering
Old 17 October 2012, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by juggers
I wouldn't waste your time Pete, he chooses to believe what he wants to and what serves his cause not the facts.
Sorry mate, but you have just shot yourself in the foot (or perhaps more pertinantly - in the head) with that alliance
Old 17 October 2012, 07:37 AM
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Now, Juggers seems to have developed a bit of a swagger here; confident, seems to have the courage of his convictions. Given this, I'll repeat a question I posed a short while ago:

What about 7/7? Conspiracy or a real act of aggression?
You never did answer, Juggers.

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Old 17 October 2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by juggers
Trooper lol

I don't know where to start

You've just said again there is no OIL in Afghanistan when there obviously is

And to try and back up your ignorance you have taken a few sentences out of context and highlighted them. This is a great example of what people do when they are in the wrong and have something to hide.

Instead of admitting that your not as smart as you thought you were and that you should of at least googled it you decide to continue with your "ill informed facts"

However you do seem like a decent chap, and I would imagine you as a Soldier would feel the need to reinforce the reasons why we went to war.
So that all those lifes of the innocent people men,women and children of Afghanistan, Iraq and those British service men (half of them only young kids 16-19) did not go to waste lining the pockets of the rich,corrupt and corporate organisations.

That way you can sleep at night knowing that you weren't just a puppet and you are an actual hero.

There are many men in this world good and bad. Some people think by not getting involved we have no party to what's gone on. The one that watch's is just as bad as the one that commits .We the British public are just as guilty as those 5 Men as it is us who have allowed all of this to happen.

Shame on us all
In 2001, when we where invited in by the nebulus Afghan Government, Oil was not on the agenda or been discovered as per your posted thread link date is way after this date.

Are the American about to invade the Falklands now then?
Old 17 October 2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
It was fact .... of that there is no dispute - let's just get that straight.
No Pete, an alleged (because it was not proven) incident by people who said they where Marines based in a palce where Marines are not based! Walter Mitty's more like...........................there's a thought!
Old 17 October 2012, 08:20 AM
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"those British service men (half of them only young kids 16-19) did not go to waste lining the pockets of the rich,corrupt and corporate organisations."

Sadly, Juggers this statement is factually incorrect. You cannot deploy under the age of 18.
Old 17 October 2012, 08:31 AM
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I am not sure what the problem is here

Ultimately it is whether the concept of cold bloodied murder can be perpetrated in a war zone, by soldiers

If you take the view that it can’t, then by all means defend the Marines with utmost conviction and vigour

If you take the view that it can, then, what investigators purportedly saw on the laptop needs to be investigated

The third position is that it is possible to commit cold bloodied murder, but the concept of an “eye for an eye” trumps every other consideration
Old 17 October 2012, 11:11 AM
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[quote=juggers;10831856]
Originally Posted by Martin2005

The more desperate I become? the more ruder I become ? come on Martin come better than that. For someone who claims to know the War is not illegal where are all your facts?

So lets get this straight ......because I believe the War was illegal my line of thought is that of believing 9/11 was done by the American Government?
How have you come to this conclusion?

In answer to your question we the British find ourselves there to make claim on the resources. On the back of the American invasion.

Does this answer your question or are you after the root cause? Please can you answer my questions from earlier on? And please make sure you google before answering
Do you believe it is illegal for a country to go to war to defend itself from an unprovoked attack?

Les
Old 17 October 2012, 12:15 PM
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[QUOTE=juggers;10831856]
Originally Posted by Juggers

The more desperate I become? the more ruder I become ? come on Martin come better than that. For someone who claims to know the War is not illegal where are all your facts?

So lets get this straight ......because I believe the War was illegal my line of thought is that of believing 9/11 was done by the American Government?
How have you come to this conclusion?

In answer to your question we the British find ourselves there to make claim on the resources. On the back of the American invasion.

Does this answer your question or are you after the root cause? Please can you answer my questions from earlier on? And please make sure you google before answering
It is very difficult to discuss anything with someone who has such an utterly fixed view on things. Who seems to view everything through an anti-American and conspiratorial prism.

I have answered all of your questions in detail and in most cases repeatedly. To no avail, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the facts.

On the issue of legality; whether you or I THINK something is legal or not, is utterly irrelevant to the actual legality of the said issue. Another basic and undeniable fact that is completely lost upon you.

On the train of events I asked you about; couldn’t you be a bit more detailed and factual? To start with you managed to avoid mentioning 9-11 in regards to the conflict in 2001. How is it possible to ‘forget’ that FACT?

You seem very reluctant to even acknowledge 9-11, is that because your whole argument falls apart at that point?

And I am still waiting for you to criticise the Taliban. Do you not realise that it makes you come across as someone who’d actually be happy if the UN mission in Afghanistan failed!
Old 17 October 2012, 12:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Leslie;10832071]
Originally Posted by juggers

Do you believe it is illegal for a country to go to war to defend itself from an unprovoked attack?

Les
These are Juggers words not mine btw
Old 17 October 2012, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicho66las
Let me know your contact details and I'll send them round....
Who's contact details and who do you want to send round?
Old 17 October 2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Who's contact details and who do you want to send round?
You know,,,,,,,,Them
Old 17 October 2012, 02:55 PM
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Is it dictionaries containing the word whose
Old 17 October 2012, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicho66las
Let me know your contact details and I'll send them round....
^^^^^^ this is the attitude that we face....

And thats the answer to original thread

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Old 17 October 2012, 03:21 PM
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No it's not. Giving someone a hiding because they've been gobbing off is hardly the same as raping and murdering innocent people.

Reality check time.
Old 17 October 2012, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dazdavies
No it's not. Giving someone a hiding because they've been gobbing off is hardly the same as raping and murdering innocent people.

Reality check time.
I think the poster is suggesting that the first reaction to something that upsets him is one of aggression, which while most would understand the frustration some would suggest that this trait would support a swift "loss of emotional rationale and subsequent control."

To the rest of us we take it in the spirit its intended
Old 17 October 2012, 03:41 PM
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Daz, would you say you personify the hard-man aggressive image of a squaddie?
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Originally Posted by dazdavies
No it's not. Giving someone a hiding because they've been gobbing off is hardly the same as raping and murdering innocent people.

Reality check time.
I see your point, but this is a discussion that people disagree on matters and are discussing it in a manner to maybe upset others and then someone comes on with a threat like that is not grown up imo, i respect all service men in the force and agree they shouldnt be brought down as they are just following orders and doing a job they love and take pride in what they do,(but there is bad in all people that gives a bad name to all, including the taliban etc) both my brother inlaws have been in the force and one is still there the other left years ago and i know what hes been through even though i disagree in some parts of their careers i can only respect their choices in life, afterall it makes them more grown up and more of a better person.

And in all i disagree with the war and whatever led to it in the first place, if someone came into this country and declared war then i think we would all jump in and defend our country, family and livleyhoods.
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Old 17 October 2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
I think the poster is suggesting that the first reaction to something that upsets him is one of aggression, which while most would understand the frustration some would suggest that this trait would support a swift "loss of emotional rationale and subsequent control."

To the rest of us we take it in the spirit its intended
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[quote=Martin2005;10832143]
Originally Posted by Leslie

These are Juggers words not mine btw
Yes that was where the question was directed.

Les
Old 17 October 2012, 04:53 PM
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We back on topic yet?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
You speak excellent American.
I blame Google Chrome for that
Old 17 October 2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
No Pete, an alleged (because it was not proven) incident by people who said they where Marines based in a palce where Marines are not based! Walter Mitty's more like...........................there's a thought!
Someone who does something atrocious does something atrocious whether there is enough evidence to prosecute or not.

It does not have to be proven to be a fact ..... take your head out of your pompous ***, you well hear the truth - painful though it is for you.

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Originally Posted by dazdavies
Pete I often find what you write witty funny and sometimes though provoking.

This however is your worst post and I will never think of you in the same light again.

As an ex bootneck I find that extremely offfensive. The Royal Marines are amongst the most highly trained disciplined soldiers in the world and whilst some aren't angels to say they go around raping and murdering people is complete and utter bollocks.

In short you should be f*cking ashamed of yourself for writing such BS.
This thread is not a popularity contest for me ..... it's deadly serious, so serious that I speak through my unfortunate experience.
Old 17 October 2012, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
This thread is not a popularity contest for me ..... it's deadly serious, so serious that I speak through my unfortunate experience.
You keep suggesting this 'experience' you have, yet you don't say what?

From my experience, I think you're a total w****r. Now that is fact.

Tup three
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Now, Juggers seems to have developed a bit of a swagger here; confident, seems to have the courage of his convictions. Given this, I'll repeat a question I posed a short while ago:



You never did answer, Juggers.

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I have plenty of swagger you redneck chav

Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
In 2001, when we where invited in by the nebulus Afghan Government, Oil was not on the agenda or been discovered as per your posted thread link date is way after this date.

Are the American about to invade the Falklands now then?
Thank you great demonstration of your naivety ....come on seriously dude pull your head out of that bum hole. Your a great example of the typical soldier doesn't have the tact to think out side the box. All your good for is taking orders.

Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
"those British service men (half of them only young kids 16-19) did not go to waste lining the pockets of the rich,corrupt and corporate organisations."

Sadly, Juggers this statement is factually incorrect. You cannot deploy under the age of 18.
LOL why do you keep bringing up irrelevant "facts" for that have no bearing on backing up your views other than what you were told by the news and media?

[QUOTE=Martin2005;10832141]
Originally Posted by juggers

It is very difficult to discuss anything with someone who has such an utterly fixed view on things. Who seems to view everything through an anti-American and conspiratorial prism.

I have answered all of your questions in detail and in most cases repeatedly. To no avail, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the facts.

On the issue of legality; whether you or I THINK something is legal or not, is utterly irrelevant to the actual legality of the said issue. Another basic and undeniable fact that is completely lost upon you.

On the train of events I asked you about; couldn’t you be a bit more detailed and factual? To start with you managed to avoid mentioning 9-11 in regards to the conflict in 2001. How is it possible to ‘forget’ that FACT?

You seem very reluctant to even acknowledge 9-11, is that because your whole argument falls apart at that point?

And I am still waiting for you to criticise the Taliban. Do you not realise that it makes you come across as someone who’d actually be happy if the UN mission in Afghanistan failed!
Martin you have failed to answer all of my questions let alone one. You can't even argue the facts on the current topic let alone 9/11.
You just like trooper seem to be going round in circles. I challenge everything in the media yet you chose to believe it.

Again I will ask you what do you "REALLY KNOW" other than what you have heard in the news?

Why do we have ex SAS soldiers condemning the war and also stating it is an Illegal war.Does this mean he also believes in 9/11 conspiracy's?
And why does this not get as much media coverage?

AND.....and ...and OMG he believes the Government had lied OMG he must be on crack

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...gn-policy.html
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Oh well, there's another one for the internment list.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Oh well, there's another one for the internment list.
J why don't you pop over to mine for some spicy bum love?
You do like being man handled don't cha


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