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I never heard of it however i'm sure it must exhist and no doubt it's on some 'ooo Muslims' website out there and on the other hand there will be an excellent credible refutation from a Muslim. Hence no need for me to Google this one.
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In a nutshell it's about this:
http://publicintelligence.net/us-afg...y-fields-2012/
Yes those are american soldiers patrolling and protecting poppy fields - it's about the massive amount of drugs there.
One aspect to this whole war (and it's a multifaceted war) is the drug trade worth billions.
The Taliban were very much against the drugs trade (as a result of their hard lined religious views) while the Northern Alliance were very much for it as they are made up of drug lords, criminals etc.
So the Taliban were disposed and a more friendly and sympathetic (to the west) power was put in place.
I don't know about oil, it's about resources, including drugs (which are a resource of wealth).
http://publicintelligence.net/us-afg...y-fields-2012/
Yes those are american soldiers patrolling and protecting poppy fields - it's about the massive amount of drugs there.
One aspect to this whole war (and it's a multifaceted war) is the drug trade worth billions.
The Taliban were very much against the drugs trade (as a result of their hard lined religious views) while the Northern Alliance were very much for it as they are made up of drug lords, criminals etc.
So the Taliban were disposed and a more friendly and sympathetic (to the west) power was put in place.
I don't know about oil, it's about resources, including drugs (which are a resource of wealth).
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In a nutshell it's about this:
http://publicintelligence.net/us-afg...y-fields-2012/
Yes those are american soldiers patrolling and protecting poppy fields - it's about the massive amount of drugs there.
One aspect to this whole war (and it's a multifaceted war) is the drug trade worth billions.
The Taliban were very much against the drugs trade (as a result of their hard lined religious views) while the Northern Alliance were very much for it as they are made up of drug lords, criminals etc.
So the Taliban were disposed and a more friendly and sympathetic (to the west) power was put in place.
I don't know about oil, it's about resources, including drugs (which are a resource of wealth).
http://publicintelligence.net/us-afg...y-fields-2012/
Yes those are american soldiers patrolling and protecting poppy fields - it's about the massive amount of drugs there.
One aspect to this whole war (and it's a multifaceted war) is the drug trade worth billions.
The Taliban were very much against the drugs trade (as a result of their hard lined religious views) while the Northern Alliance were very much for it as they are made up of drug lords, criminals etc.
So the Taliban were disposed and a more friendly and sympathetic (to the west) power was put in place.
I don't know about oil, it's about resources, including drugs (which are a resource of wealth).
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Naskh only exists within the context of Islamic Jurisprudence and when it is used outside of that, e.g. within the Islamic Sciences such as scholarly work it must be taken into context.
90% of modern Muslims will not be away of this term and will not really care much to it - it's something used by scholars, philosophers, theologians etc to determine facts or the basis for some information (balancing out an equation so to speak).
When these scholars use such terms they do so (most of the time) with clear sound knowledge and years and years of experience on various subjects - so when the average person reads such a term and then finds a Wiki entry for it via Google, that person will not fully understand it realise the context it is in.
Now as far as Sunni and Shia's go, the large majority of Muslims are Sunni's, made up of various groups (different intellectual studies, ideologies, schools of thought etc) made up of a range of different races and cultures (quite common now is to find Caucasian [white] Muslims).
Shia's are considered deviants due to their estoric beliefs and bent on the whole religion of Islam (in contrast to the Sunni Muslims) hence the conflict...but don't forget there is a whole string of off-shoot beliefs based on Islam, like you have Mormons in Christianity, you have Shias, Ishmaeli's etc in Islam.
Now as far as conflict between the different groups is concerned, it never really existed to the scale it does now but no one can disagree (after joining the dots) that where western forces and political interests have settled, civil war has broken out...seems odd but is a noticeable pattern.
Apologies for the rant, wanted to clear up some facts.
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You lot don't half concern yourselves with a load of drivel, i sometimes wonder if you have lives outside of your various belief systems.
I also wonder if your able to realise that your all brainwashed by your various factions, obviously not!
War is war and the enemy is to be killed by hook or by crook, all this rules of engagement is bolax when your in a life or death situation i won't be letting them live to fight another day, if at a later date the powers that be want to call it murder then so be it, but i doubt very much that they would act any differently if they were in the same situation, war is is frighting and makes people into animals so as to be able to survive.
As for the reasons for the various wars, anyone that can't see it's all about money is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
I feel for the poor misguided individuals that get drawn into it and end up paying the highest price under the misshaprehention that they are some how defending our country, when all of this was bought about by the multinational powers that be, which is in no way a slant on them, but those that are in command should be ashamed of themselves.
I also wonder if your able to realise that your all brainwashed by your various factions, obviously not!
War is war and the enemy is to be killed by hook or by crook, all this rules of engagement is bolax when your in a life or death situation i won't be letting them live to fight another day, if at a later date the powers that be want to call it murder then so be it, but i doubt very much that they would act any differently if they were in the same situation, war is is frighting and makes people into animals so as to be able to survive.
As for the reasons for the various wars, anyone that can't see it's all about money is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
I feel for the poor misguided individuals that get drawn into it and end up paying the highest price under the misshaprehention that they are some how defending our country, when all of this was bought about by the multinational powers that be, which is in no way a slant on them, but those that are in command should be ashamed of themselves.
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As for the reasons for the various wars, anyone that can't see it's all about money is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
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You lot don't half concern yourselves with a load of drivel, i sometimes wonder if you have lives outside of your various belief systems.
I also wonder if your able to realise that your all brainwashed by your various factions, obviously not!
War is war and the enemy is to be killed by hook or by crook, all this rules of engagement is bolax when your in a life or death situation i won't be letting them live to fight another day, if at a later date the powers that be want to call it murder then so be it, but i doubt very much that they would act any differently if they were in the same situation, war is is frighting and makes people into animals so as to be able to survive.
As for the reasons for the various wars, anyone that can't see it's all about money is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
I feel for the poor misguided individuals that get drawn into it and end up paying the highest price under the misshaprehention that they are some how defending our country, when all of this was bought about by the multinational powers that be, which is in no way a slant on them, but those that are in command should be ashamed of themselves.
I also wonder if your able to realise that your all brainwashed by your various factions, obviously not!
War is war and the enemy is to be killed by hook or by crook, all this rules of engagement is bolax when your in a life or death situation i won't be letting them live to fight another day, if at a later date the powers that be want to call it murder then so be it, but i doubt very much that they would act any differently if they were in the same situation, war is is frighting and makes people into animals so as to be able to survive.
As for the reasons for the various wars, anyone that can't see it's all about money is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
I feel for the poor misguided individuals that get drawn into it and end up paying the highest price under the misshaprehention that they are some how defending our country, when all of this was bought about by the multinational powers that be, which is in no way a slant on them, but those that are in command should be ashamed of themselves.
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Come on tell me how and why this was all about oil? Afterall it's your basic argument, yet you have singularly failed back this up with a coherent chain of events.
Let me give you some starter questions
What role did 9-11 play in the invasion of Afghanistan?
Why attack Afghanistan for oil? How much oil is there in Afghanistan, is there enough to justify a war?
What has the US done with all the Afghani oil since 2001?
Given that both Iraq and Afghanistan were 'all about oil' why am I having to paying £1.50 a litre for petrol?
Let me give you some starter questions
What role did 9-11 play in the invasion of Afghanistan?
Why attack Afghanistan for oil? How much oil is there in Afghanistan, is there enough to justify a war?
What has the US done with all the Afghani oil since 2001?
Given that both Iraq and Afghanistan were 'all about oil' why am I having to paying £1.50 a litre for petrol?
Martin I will not waste my time with you and this thread any more. Your comment above conveys the lack of do-diligence applied to any response.
You've repeated the same comment twice smugly,but have failed to do a simple basic calculation with the information available.
So lets do the basic maths in order for the USA to recoup $600,000,000,000
They would only need 600,000,000 barrels of oil with the current price of oil being $100 a barrel.
Which leaves 1,200,000,000 barrels of oil I am hoping you can do the basic maths here and tell me how much that is in $$$$$$$
Add the untapped minerals and a multi billion $$ drug trade as Finalzero has said makes sense.
And do some research the british economy was built on drugs in the late 1800 to early 1900!
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...n-t-the-US-bid
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...633783544.html
http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news...contracts.html
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Absolute and complete twaddle. They were perfectly happy raking in the taxes from poppy growing (not to mention the foreign currency reserves from opium exportation) until they were nakedly bribed by the UN to stop production. As soon as the bribe money ran out, things went back to exactly the way they were before.
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Absolute and complete twaddle. They were perfectly happy raking in the taxes from poppy growing (not to mention the foreign currency reserves from opium exportation) until they were nakedly bribed by the UN to stop production. As soon as the bribe money ran out, things went back to exactly the way they were before.
cash is king
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Martin I will not waste my time with you and this thread any more. Your comment above conveys the lack of do-diligence applied to any response.
You've repeated the same comment twice smugly,but have failed to do a simple basic calculation with the information available.
So lets do the basic maths in order for the USA to recoup $600,000,000,000
They would only need 600,000,000 barrels of oil with the current price of oil being $100 a barrel.
Which leaves 1,200,000,000 barrels of oil I am hoping you can do the basic maths here and tell me how much that is in $$$$$$$
Add the untapped minerals and a multi billion $$ drug trade as Finalzero has said makes sense.
And do some research the british economy was built on drugs in the late 1800 to early 1900!
You've repeated the same comment twice smugly,but have failed to do a simple basic calculation with the information available.
So lets do the basic maths in order for the USA to recoup $600,000,000,000
They would only need 600,000,000 barrels of oil with the current price of oil being $100 a barrel.
Which leaves 1,200,000,000 barrels of oil I am hoping you can do the basic maths here and tell me how much that is in $$$$$$$
Add the untapped minerals and a multi billion $$ drug trade as Finalzero has said makes sense.
And do some research the british economy was built on drugs in the late 1800 to early 1900!
Tell me you're not an accountant
Now let's have your thoughts on why this is all about oil
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You have no idea how much I just laughed. I think some wee actually came out
I think that's the last we'll hear from Juggers on this thread
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It's due-diligence you illiterate dingbat, and it's you who obviously hasn't bothered doing any. If you had, you'd know the only countries so far to sign oil or mineral exploration deals with Afghanistan have been China and India, with Russia showing a keen interest in the next round of bids:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...n-t-the-US-bid
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...633783544.html
http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news...contracts.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...n-t-the-US-bid
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...633783544.html
http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news...contracts.html
My calculation maybe wrong, but your theory that they will not recoup there moneys is nonsense. They have already covered the cost of war with a third of their minerals. You keep failing to read the article Martin all be it like I failed with that maths calculation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
$3 trillion of minerals that dewarfs the current $1trillion cost
And it also says that the Americans will be making the most of these minerals
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My calculation maybe wrong, but your theory that they will not recoup there moneys is nonsense. They have already covered the cost of war with a third of their minerals. You keep failing to read the article Martin all be it like I failed with that maths calculation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
$3 trillion of minerals that dewarfs the current $1trillion cost
And it also says that the Americans will be making the most of these minerals
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
$3 trillion of minerals that dewarfs the current $1trillion cost
And it also says that the Americans will be making the most of these minerals
So nothing to do with, Bin Laden, Nothing to do with 9-11, instead it was all about iron ore!
You are an utterly tragic individual, rather than contrition you come back with a completely different and unsubstantiated piece of nonsense.
Be a man, apologise
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...67E0AA20100815
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
$3 trillion of minerals that dewarfs the current $1trillion cost
And it also says that the Americans will be making the most of these minerals
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Who cares about the Taliban. I'm sure not all are 'that' bad however as we all know cash is king it always has been and always will be. The Americans are on the rob plain and simple. The British are their lapdogs. Muslims couldn't care less about other Muslims otherwise Israel would not be able to get away with what they do and the Arabs are sold out puppets. Soldiers are the ones doing the dirty work. Anyone who can't see the above for themselves need to do some serious thinking.
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Sorry have to correct you here (and I will get someone who is much more learned than me).
Naskh only exists within the context of Islamic Jurisprudence and when it is used outside of that, e.g. within the Islamic Sciences such as scholarly work it must be taken into context.
90% of modern Muslims will not be away of this term and will not really care much to it - it's something used by scholars, philosophers, theologians etc to determine facts or the basis for some information (balancing out an equation so to speak).
When these scholars use such terms they do so (most of the time) with clear sound knowledge and years and years of experience on various subjects - so when the average person reads such a term and then finds a Wiki entry for it via Google, that person will not fully understand it realise the context it is in.
Now as far as Sunni and Shia's go, the large majority of Muslims are Sunni's, made up of various groups (different intellectual studies, ideologies, schools of thought etc) made up of a range of different races and cultures (quite common now is to find Caucasian [white] Muslims).
Shia's are considered deviants due to their estoric beliefs and bent on the whole religion of Islam (in contrast to the Sunni Muslims) hence the conflict...but don't forget there is a whole string of off-shoot beliefs based on Islam, like you have Mormons in Christianity, you have Shias, Ishmaeli's etc in Islam.
Now as far as conflict between the different groups is concerned, it never really existed to the scale it does now but no one can disagree (after joining the dots) that where western forces and political interests have settled, civil war has broken out...seems odd but is a noticeable pattern.
Apologies for the rant, wanted to clear up some facts.
Naskh only exists within the context of Islamic Jurisprudence and when it is used outside of that, e.g. within the Islamic Sciences such as scholarly work it must be taken into context.
90% of modern Muslims will not be away of this term and will not really care much to it - it's something used by scholars, philosophers, theologians etc to determine facts or the basis for some information (balancing out an equation so to speak).
When these scholars use such terms they do so (most of the time) with clear sound knowledge and years and years of experience on various subjects - so when the average person reads such a term and then finds a Wiki entry for it via Google, that person will not fully understand it realise the context it is in.
Now as far as Sunni and Shia's go, the large majority of Muslims are Sunni's, made up of various groups (different intellectual studies, ideologies, schools of thought etc) made up of a range of different races and cultures (quite common now is to find Caucasian [white] Muslims).
Shia's are considered deviants due to their estoric beliefs and bent on the whole religion of Islam (in contrast to the Sunni Muslims) hence the conflict...but don't forget there is a whole string of off-shoot beliefs based on Islam, like you have Mormons in Christianity, you have Shias, Ishmaeli's etc in Islam.
Now as far as conflict between the different groups is concerned, it never really existed to the scale it does now but no one can disagree (after joining the dots) that where western forces and political interests have settled, civil war has broken out...seems odd but is a noticeable pattern.
Apologies for the rant, wanted to clear up some facts.
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Who cares about the Taliban. I'm sure not all are 'that' bad however as we all know cash is king it always has been and always will be. The Americans are on the rob plain and simple. The British are their lapdogs. Muslims couldn't care less about other Muslims otherwise Israel would not be able to get away with what they do and the Arabs are sold out puppets. Soldiers are the ones doing the dirty work. Anyone who can't see the above for themselves need to do some serious thinking.
If America is 'on the rob', then WHERE'S THE MONEY?
You've got to stop making statements that have no basis in fact, and then telling everyone else that they 'need to do some serious thinking'
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"When it is used outside of that", what, everything? "e.g. within the Islamic Sciences such as scholarly work", yes "it must be taken into context." Oh, I see!
This is obfuscation and nothing more.
When these scholars use such terms they do so (most of the time) with clear sound knowledge and years and years of experience on various subjects - so when the average person reads such a term and then finds a Wiki entry for it via Google, that person will not fully understand it realise the context it is in.
Now as far as Sunni and Shia's go, the large majority of Muslims are Sunni's, made up of various groups (different intellectual studies, ideologies, schools of thought etc) made up of a range of different races and cultures (quite common now is to find Caucasian [white] Muslims).
Shia's are considered deviants due to their estoric beliefs and bent on the whole religion of Islam (in contrast to the Sunni Muslims)
hence the conflict...but don't forget there is a whole string of off-shoot beliefs based on Islam, like you have Mormons in Christianity, you have Shias, Ishmaeli's etc in Islam.
hence the conflict...but don't forget there is a whole string of off-shoot beliefs based on Islam, like you have Mormons in Christianity, you have Shias, Ishmaeli's etc in Islam.
Now as far as conflict between the different groups is concerned, it never really existed to the scale it does now but no one can disagree (after joining the dots) that where western forces and political interests have settled, civil war has broken out...seems odd but is a noticeable pattern
Never mind.
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Originally Posted by juggers;10834530[URL
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/15/us-afghanistan-oilfield-idUSTRE67E0AA20100815[/URL]
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
You can have a read to Markjmd can't wait to hear your response to this one
You're telling me that actually needs a response?