madscoob

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after watching several interviews with him, if you had any experience of aspergers/autism you would know what i ment, but i will try and explain, its the way he looked at the camera/his facial expressions where not relavent to what was said to him if you understand what i mean, the smile at the wrong moment, frown at the wrong time etc

JTaylor

Maz

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Telboy's reference was regarding the superfluous apostrophe.

Maz

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TelBoy

JTaylor

And he knows absolutely **** all about assburgers!

JTaylor

What? It was wry. There's no wry smiley!

Maz

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I needed a wry frown. Keep up James!

madscoob

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yeh i know that now, in my efforts to stop the apostrophe police moaning. it failed cos i used to many, ah well life sucks, working for **** all and then getting your spelling checked on a forum in the evening to boot aint life a bitch

RobsyUK

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I know you press a button and use 2 keys and about 7 people to confirm what the piece of paper says it was a mear example.

But what if he had done something sinister or left the doors wide open etc..

Also just seen on the news that he left messages in the system calling USA terrorists etc.. - looking for ufo's really?

Henrik

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TBH, if your security is ****, you end up being hacked. Equal blame for the hacking lies with the designers / admins / managers at pentagon / nasa / whatever IMO.

jasey

I'd send him to the USA simply because he looks like a mong Patrick Swayze.





Or maybe it's the other way round

PeteBrant

Yeah, that's true. If your car gets nicked you are pretty much as much to blame as the person that nicked it for not having an underground garage.

Lets' look at some of the facts of the case:

1. the alleged offences are serious and were sustained over a lengthy period;

2. the alleged offences were os a hacking exercise which took place over fourteen months and involving 96 computers in five US government departments, and which came to an end (it seems) only with his detection and arrest

3.the allegations went beyond unauthorised access to substantial file deletion and copying;

4.there had been allegedly significant operational damage;

5. the unauthorised access (ie the offence) had been admitted (so no issue to be tried) and Mr McKinnon's legal team has also indicated that he may also admit the damage;

6. the US can evidence the damage;

7. the US can thereby show a prima facie case (and "one-sided" extradition treaty a red herring);

8. UFOs play no part in the litigation, and indeed Mr McKinnon's original case was that his political opinions should be taken so seriously that he should not be allowed to be extradited on those grounds;

9. Mr McKinnon had wrongly rejected a highly advantageous plea bargain in 2003 (and so would have been free of all this in 2006);

10. the disparities in respect of the UK/US extradition arrangements were not relevant in this case;

11. the CPS had provided detailed reasons as to why they would not (and cannot) prosecute Mr McKinnon in the UK;

12. perhaps most importantly of all, the US has provided detailed assurances as to how Mr McKinnon's condition of Asperger's Syndrome will accommodated should he be extradited; and

13. the US has actually also stated that there is no principled opposition to Mr McKinnon applying to serve his sentence in the UK.


Here's the CPS report from 2009:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_rel..._09/index.html

And here's a message left by McKinnon on one US army computer:

"US foreign policy is akin to Government-sponsored terrorism these days … It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year … I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels … "

May has now left the DPP with a real headache.

TelBoy

Do you have a good link with regards point 12.

Alan Jeffery

As he was able to run rings around them from a suburban bedroom, they need to employ him, not prosecute him.
Re car theft, I'd say it's down to them if they want to leave it parked up with the God damn keys in it.

PeteBrant

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/file...d7f41a1a08.pdf

Page 16&17

TelBoy

Hmm, i'm not so sure the right decision has been made here, in possibly a world first of a Scoobynet change of opinion. It sounds like May made the decision on compassionate grounds. Nobody has the right to use Asperger's Syndrome and/or depression to avoid prosecution, in my opinion.

PeteBrant

The decision was based, seemingly , on the likelyhood of him commiting sucide if he were extradited. Which has a pretty simple solution as far as I can see. Stop him preventing suicide.
Of course the decision had nothing at all to do with the fact The Daily Mail had a campaign to keep him here and a load of Tory voters supporting the cause celebre.

JTaylor

Hmmm. Difficult one.

TelBoy

And then you use the Tory word. I despair.

JTaylor

It felt objective, if only fleetingly; "this isn't party political or ideological or partisan..." I thought. It proved ephemeral.

PeteBrant

If it was solely compassion, why didn't she block the extradition of Babar Ahmad and Talha Ahsan? If you aren't familiar with the case, the parallels are uncanny. Charges were related to a website run from the UK but hosted in the US. Ahsan, also suffers from Asperger’s.

Guess they were a bit foreign looking though and didn't have a Daily Mail campaign behind them.

As if May did this out of compassion. It was pure politics.

PeteBrant

I think he should have been extradited on an objective basis, nothing to do with politics. But May's reasoning was purely political.

JTaylor

And it's implicit that your objection is political, marking you out as a hypocrite.

PeteBrant

The whole story is political!

Couldn't give a **** what it marks me out as. I'm not home secretary, whether I am being hypocritical or not is irrelevant. I'm not the one granting or denying extradition.

My objection to May's reasoning is that a Tory backed campaign influenced a Tory minister. Backed up by the fact she did not intervene in a virtually identical case just weeks previously.

I support the extradition of McKinnon based on the facts of the case. That part has nothing to do with politics.

Simple as.

TelBoy

What was the name of the person in the previous situation you mention.

JTaylor

I think a neutral observer with a sufficiently forensic mind would judge these statements as equivocation. This rest will consider it bullshít.

PeteBrant

Babar Ahmad and Talha Ahsan

fivetide

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I liked her in that Prodigy video where she got her baps out.

As for the excuse for not sending him to the US - that's all it is, an excuse. We can't be shipping Abu Hamza off with all sorts of guarantees and then not doing this guy I'm afraid. Next time we have an Abu what are they going to do? "Woah is me - I might self harm therefore you have to keep me here now you've set a precedent."

Leslie

So much easier,and useful, to offer him a job.

Les