help what powers a off duty cop have?
23 October 2012, 01:57 PM
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I think it's only fair to give the OP the benefit of the doubt. There can't be many scooby owners who haven't taken the opportunity of an overtaking move to give it the full beans when less would still have got the job done. That doesn't necessarily make it a dangerous thing to do.
To quote your first post "Don't do the crime" is a bit premature and assumes that the copper is right. There would be a fair few folk on here who would argue that that is not always the case.
23 October 2012, 02:08 PM
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But I think I might have been inclined to offer the same advice if I'd done no wrong.
I think it's only fair to give the OP the benefit of the doubt. There can't be many scooby owners who haven't taken the opportunity of an overtaking move to give it the full beans when less would still have got the job done. That doesn't necessarily make it a dangerous thing to do.
To quote your first post "Don't do the crime" is a bit premature and assumes that the copper is right. There would be a fair few folk on here who would argue that that is not always the case.
I think it's only fair to give the OP the benefit of the doubt. There can't be many scooby owners who haven't taken the opportunity of an overtaking move to give it the full beans when less would still have got the job done. That doesn't necessarily make it a dangerous thing to do.
To quote your first post "Don't do the crime" is a bit premature and assumes that the copper is right. There would be a fair few folk on here who would argue that that is not always the case.
23 October 2012, 03:31 PM
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Seriously????? WTF????
He should have realised that there was NOTHING he could do, it was only his opinion the OP was doing something wrong and there is nothing he could have done about it!
The OP could have passed at 65, when the rozzer was doing 50 (in a national speed limit theres nowt wrong with that and if it got to court theyd be laughed out the door), but if it caught the fella by suprise and the OP had a loud exhaust, he'd have wrongly assumed he was going faster ..... coppers know all this, they know people make mistakes and assumption can be skewed by situation, which is why theres calibrated speed guns to prove the facts!
As BluByYou has said, innocent until proven guilty, theres no way a trained policeman would go vigilante in this situation, no way at all!
if on the outside chance this is a copper, behaving like this suggests hes a vicious little hitler of a copper, so as a result, if the OP finds himself getting pulled over for nit**** little bits of ball ache more often, keeping a record of this encounter might have been handy!
I agree with you on one thing though trooper, the OP handled it badly by getting abusive! Staying calm and being polite despite the jobsworth ranting would have pissed him off far more than being abusive back!
23 October 2012, 05:09 PM
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If we put the grammar back in perhaps this reads differently.
"ok well earlier on today i took my scooby out for a weekend spin and i overtook this car on the loughor bypass heading towards llanelli when this guy got pissed started flashing his lights and all sort so i pulled over on the loughor bridge to see what his problem is and he goes "why u driving like a pratt so dangerously on the road you know im a police officer". (well something like that)
i just told him to go **** him self and more and told him your off duty what can you do go and do it. then he replies" im always on duty expect a call later"
then he drove off."
OK, well earlier today I took my Scoob out for a weekend spin and I overtook this car on the Lougher Bypass heading toward llanelli. When this guy got pissed and started flashing his lights and all sorts. So I pulled over on the Lougher Bridge to see what his problem is and he go's "Why are you driving like a pratt, so dangerously on the road? You know I am a police officer?" (Was he shouting? Did he or you get out of your cars?)(well something like that).
I just told him to go **** himself and more. And told him, "Your off duty, what can you do and go and do it" (Again, where you shouting) then he replies "I'm always on duty expect a call later" (Was he shouting?). Then he drove off.
Add some inflection and it looks bad.
"ok well earlier on today i took my scooby out for a weekend spin and i overtook this car on the loughor bypass heading towards llanelli when this guy got pissed started flashing his lights and all sort so i pulled over on the loughor bridge to see what his problem is and he goes "why u driving like a pratt so dangerously on the road you know im a police officer". (well something like that)
i just told him to go **** him self and more and told him your off duty what can you do go and do it. then he replies" im always on duty expect a call later"
then he drove off."OK, well earlier today I took my Scoob out for a weekend spin and I overtook this car on the Lougher Bypass heading toward llanelli. When this guy got pissed and started flashing his lights and all sorts. So I pulled over on the Lougher Bridge to see what his problem is and he go's "Why are you driving like a pratt, so dangerously on the road? You know I am a police officer?" (Was he shouting? Did he or you get out of your cars?)(well something like that).
I just told him to go **** himself and more. And told him, "Your off duty, what can you do and go and do it" (Again, where you shouting) then he replies "I'm always on duty expect a call later" (Was he shouting?). Then he drove off.
Add some inflection and it looks bad.
23 October 2012, 05:12 PM
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Are you a copper Trooper?
You seem determined to put the OP down regardless of any other consideration, all based on supposition.
I don't get it.
I'm out.
You seem determined to put the OP down regardless of any other consideration, all based on supposition.
I don't get it.
I'm out.
23 October 2012, 09:17 PM
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Just my 10p but I have to agree that there are 2 sides to every story. Look at it like this, i have been over taken by some right clowns in some dangerous places and it has really boiled my blood that some plum feels its ok to put my and others lives in danger, and i am sure you have all been there. I dont know what happened or how fast or dangerous the overtake was but it clearly boiled the blood of this "copper" so he decided to act on it. By the way, officers have a duty of care to act if they see a crime being committed even if they are in their swimwear as long as they dont put themselves in danger doing so. If the guy was driving like a dangerous **** and killed someone down the road i eonder what the reaction of the public would be when they found a copper saw him but did nothing......
23 October 2012, 09:51 PM
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Proof is not needed, a Section 59 can even be issued, if 3 members of the public report someone in a 7 day period for any different motoring offences, from Dangerous Driving, Loud Music, Wheel spinning etc... The law is set to scre" the motorist.
and the chap is right their is no such thing as Off duty. all he has to do is phone in and they will book him as on Duty, giving him his full powers, yes section 59 has to be given by a uniformed officer, but a non uniformed officer can ask a Uniformed officer to give the section 59, Proof is NOT required, the law on section 59 gives the motorist no protection... IMO the law should have no legal backing, but it does... and unfortunately it's down to you to prove you were not doing as they claim under this act.
and the chap is right their is no such thing as Off duty. all he has to do is phone in and they will book him as on Duty, giving him his full powers, yes section 59 has to be given by a uniformed officer, but a non uniformed officer can ask a Uniformed officer to give the section 59, Proof is NOT required, the law on section 59 gives the motorist no protection... IMO the law should have no legal backing, but it does... and unfortunately it's down to you to prove you were not doing as they claim under this act.
23 October 2012, 10:30 PM
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Any one comes knocking say he was flashing you and sitting on your bumper so you took of as you felt threaten you was going to be car jacked, his word against yours F**k him 
23 October 2012, 10:39 PM
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How was your body language when you got out of the car ? What were your intentions at the time ? I.e why did you get out of the car when he was following you ? Why did you overtake the car? Was there any oncoming traffic ? Was it a dangerous manoeuvre?
So many variables to take into account, most of which you NOT will get over through a one sided forum post from the OP.
If the guy is an off duty copper and you acted in the way you did from your opening post - swearing at him when he told you he was a copper and you were driving dangerously as he said then what's the problem ... You were at fault.
What worries me is your attitude toward someone who tells you to stop driving like a Pratt, tells you he is an off duty copper and then you tell him to go **** himself.....uncalled for!
However as I said we don't know both sides of the story so it's unfair to make unfounded judgements.
So many variables to take into account, most of which you NOT will get over through a one sided forum post from the OP.
If the guy is an off duty copper and you acted in the way you did from your opening post - swearing at him when he told you he was a copper and you were driving dangerously as he said then what's the problem ... You were at fault.
What worries me is your attitude toward someone who tells you to stop driving like a Pratt, tells you he is an off duty copper and then you tell him to go **** himself.....uncalled for!
However as I said we don't know both sides of the story so it's unfair to make unfounded judgements.
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23 October 2012, 10:46 PM
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Just watch yah self mate he proberbly come after you when he's on duty I had it a few years ago he said he would get me and yes he did about 3 months later 3 points lol speeding
24 October 2012, 03:19 PM
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I have plenty of experience with coppers.
Only a traffic car can get you done for a speeding, traffic light, dangerous driving etc as they need video evidence if taken to court, but most people own upto doing wrong and then your given a ticket/fine/points.
A local plod car can try and do you for speeding but if you admit to it then you've got yourself a ticket, but if you take it to court then the cps will throw it out as there is no video evidence or will get thrown out of court due to no video evidence unless there is multiple witness (general public).
Most people get that scared of being pulled and own upto it without thinking logically, which puts you in a position were you can't back out then as by then you've signed the ticket.
To the op, I wouldn't worry and if you do get a ticket, contest the ticket to go before the court and ask for video proof.
P.s dive carefully lol
Only a traffic car can get you done for a speeding, traffic light, dangerous driving etc as they need video evidence if taken to court, but most people own upto doing wrong and then your given a ticket/fine/points.
A local plod car can try and do you for speeding but if you admit to it then you've got yourself a ticket, but if you take it to court then the cps will throw it out as there is no video evidence or will get thrown out of court due to no video evidence unless there is multiple witness (general public).
Most people get that scared of being pulled and own upto it without thinking logically, which puts you in a position were you can't back out then as by then you've signed the ticket.
To the op, I wouldn't worry and if you do get a ticket, contest the ticket to go before the court and ask for video proof.
P.s dive carefully lol
24 October 2012, 05:03 PM
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I have plenty of experience with coppers.
Only a traffic car can get you done for a speeding, traffic light, dangerous driving etc as they need video evidence if taken to court, but most people own upto doing wrong and then your given a ticket/fine/points.
A local plod car can try and do you for speeding but if you admit to it then you've got yourself a ticket, but if you take it to court then the cps will throw it out as there is no video evidence or will get thrown out of court due to no video evidence unless there is multiple witness (general public).
Most people get that scared of being pulled and own upto it without thinking logically, which puts you in a position were you can't back out then as by then you've signed the ticket.
To the op, I wouldn't worry and if you do get a ticket, contest the ticket to go before the court and ask for video proof.
P.s dive carefully lol
Only a traffic car can get you done for a speeding, traffic light, dangerous driving etc as they need video evidence if taken to court, but most people own upto doing wrong and then your given a ticket/fine/points.
A local plod car can try and do you for speeding but if you admit to it then you've got yourself a ticket, but if you take it to court then the cps will throw it out as there is no video evidence or will get thrown out of court due to no video evidence unless there is multiple witness (general public).
Most people get that scared of being pulled and own upto it without thinking logically, which puts you in a position were you can't back out then as by then you've signed the ticket.
To the op, I wouldn't worry and if you do get a ticket, contest the ticket to go before the court and ask for video proof.
P.s dive carefully lol
They do monitor the forums.
29 October 2012, 12:10 AM
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thanks for all the replies guys everyones opinion noted.
so what history do i have seriously who the heck are you to judge me huh??? on your bike son 
Seriously the way you have labelled this i bet you was a copper or are one right now 
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FYI if hes gonna act like a bigshot without respect why should i respect him simple as i know there two sides to a story but i overtook him on a straight A-road no traffic coming towards me and did it as to how a manouvere should be done i done nothing wrong, but this guy started flashing doing all these hand signals, so i slowed right down and pulled over where not to affect traffic, but then instead of this coward pulling up behind me guess what he does and has no regard for traffic pulls right up next to my door so i could not get out to give him a slap, as i think he was not expecting me to pull over but im no coward. he winds his window down and this is how the coversation goes all i think he was trying to do was impress himself in front of his wifey thats all and he just used "im a police officer" crap as he was **** scared really and just so i think twice about what i was really gonna do
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If we put the grammar back in perhaps this reads differently.
"ok well earlier on today i took my scooby out for a weekend spin and i overtook this car on the loughor bypass heading towards llanelli when this guy got pissed started flashing his lights and all sort so i pulled over on the loughor bridge to see what his problem is and he goes "why u driving like a pratt so dangerously on the road you know im a police officer". (well something like that)
i just told him to go **** him self and more and told him your off duty what can you do go and do it. then he replies" im always on duty expect a call later" then he drove off."
OK, well earlier today I took my Scoob out for a weekend spin and I overtook this car on the Lougher Bypass heading toward llanelli. When this guy got pissed and started flashing his lights and all sorts. So I pulled over on the Lougher Bridge to see what his problem is and he go's "Why are you driving like a pratt, so dangerously on the road? You know I am a police officer?" (Was he shouting? Did he or you get out of your cars?)(well something like that).
I just told him to go **** himself and more. And told him, "Your off duty, what can you do and go and do it" (Again, where you shouting) then he replies "I'm always on duty expect a call later" (Was he shouting?). Then he drove off.
Add some inflection and it looks bad.
"ok well earlier on today i took my scooby out for a weekend spin and i overtook this car on the loughor bypass heading towards llanelli when this guy got pissed started flashing his lights and all sort so i pulled over on the loughor bridge to see what his problem is and he goes "why u driving like a pratt so dangerously on the road you know im a police officer". (well something like that)
i just told him to go **** him self and more and told him your off duty what can you do go and do it. then he replies" im always on duty expect a call later"
then he drove off."OK, well earlier today I took my Scoob out for a weekend spin and I overtook this car on the Lougher Bypass heading toward llanelli. When this guy got pissed and started flashing his lights and all sorts. So I pulled over on the Lougher Bridge to see what his problem is and he go's "Why are you driving like a pratt, so dangerously on the road? You know I am a police officer?" (Was he shouting? Did he or you get out of your cars?)(well something like that).
I just told him to go **** himself and more. And told him, "Your off duty, what can you do and go and do it" (Again, where you shouting) then he replies "I'm always on duty expect a call later" (Was he shouting?). Then he drove off.
Add some inflection and it looks bad.
.FYI if hes gonna act like a bigshot without respect why should i respect him simple as i know there two sides to a story but i overtook him on a straight A-road no traffic coming towards me and did it as to how a manouvere should be done i done nothing wrong, but this guy started flashing doing all these hand signals, so i slowed right down and pulled over where not to affect traffic, but then instead of this coward pulling up behind me guess what he does and has no regard for traffic pulls right up next to my door so i could not get out to give him a slap, as i think he was not expecting me to pull over but im no coward. he winds his window down and this is how the coversation goes all i think he was trying to do was impress himself in front of his wifey thats all and he just used "im a police officer" crap as he was **** scared really and just so i think twice about what i was really gonna do
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29 October 2012, 12:15 AM
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anywayz i have had no pigs at my door or anything through the post so i think this joker was just trying act as if he was a police officer just so i get shook as he was scared he was gonna get a slap the *****.
i have a mugshot of the person and a photo of his car including plate do you guys think that i should report the incident as im not really the type who like to go to the pigs i like to sort matters out without them being involved if you get my drift
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.i have a mugshot of the person and a photo of his car including plate do you guys think that i should report the incident as im not really the type who like to go to the pigs i like to sort matters out without them being involved if you get my drift
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29 October 2012, 12:22 AM
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By the way thanks for all the helpful replies but just so you all know i might not be able to respond until the weekend as im too busy so i apoligise for the wait for my reply.
but anywayz it looks like it was just a coward trying to act like he has power so theres no concern and as it stands it my word againt his anyway simple as
.but anywayz it looks like it was just a coward trying to act like he has power
so theres no concern and as it stands it my word againt his anyway simple as
29 October 2012, 12:30 AM
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damn this wannabe copper messed my mood up last weekend i only get a once in a while chance with a sunny day on a weekend to take the scooby out but thank god two weeks in a row we have had sun on atleast one day on the weekend so made up with a longer cruise yesterday
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29 October 2012, 04:53 PM
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Anger management issues? 
So you where going to slap him as well?
You on the steroids?
How do you know it was his wife?
I am not a copper but I have been around long enough to give a considered opinion and not judge. If you read my post I am playing devil's advocate, you sound like you may need to look it up, while your at it you may want to get your grammar out sorted young boy!
So you where going to slap him as well?
You on the steroids?
How do you know it was his wife?
I am not a copper but I have been around long enough to give a considered opinion and not judge. If you read my post I am playing devil's advocate, you sound like you may need to look it up, while your at it you may want to get your grammar out sorted young boy!
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29 October 2012, 06:44 PM
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Devil's Advocate my ****.
My own bit of advocacy...
"A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
My own bit of advocacy...
"A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
