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23 October 2012, 10:53 PM
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Nothing like on same scale but Family doc had when I was teenager had to be bullied into referring me to specialist for skin compliant, before that he was happy to feed us placebo/ ruffage for rest of twenties for all I knew
Is there not a new directive to test docs every 5 years
Is there not a new directive to test docs every 5 years
23 October 2012, 11:05 PM
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Sadly I think GP incompetence/indifference is more common than it should be, and someone really needs to plan sensible doctor/patient protocols so that the outcome is not so dominated by how pushy the patient is.
My wife spent the first 6 months of 2000 going regularly to her GP because of debilitating headaches and kept getting told they were simply migraines. Then in July she was diagnosed with a brain tumour after a major collapse, and died on 1 November after an unsuccessful course of radio-therapy.
The doctor's excuse is that, of patients presenting solely with headaches and no other signs of neurological problems, only about 1 in 3000 will have a tumour. However, there are other signs that can be used over time to narrow this down (for example, a common pattern with pain-only tumours is to wake up with debilitating pain that eases later in the day, which is not usual with migraines) but the GP showed no interest in following any of this up, and unfortunately my wife wasn't good at standing up for herself (as we found out later, highly likely to be a subtle effect of the tumour given its location in her right frontal lobe).
As a mathematician and engineer, I look at the disorganised and ad hoc way medicine is practised with a certain amount of disbelief. Any other profession would have defined processes and protocols that the GP would follow, particularly in persistent cases like this - whereas it is currently totally up to the discretion of the individual GP, influenced by how much pressure the patient puts them under.
My wife spent the first 6 months of 2000 going regularly to her GP because of debilitating headaches and kept getting told they were simply migraines. Then in July she was diagnosed with a brain tumour after a major collapse, and died on 1 November after an unsuccessful course of radio-therapy.
The doctor's excuse is that, of patients presenting solely with headaches and no other signs of neurological problems, only about 1 in 3000 will have a tumour. However, there are other signs that can be used over time to narrow this down (for example, a common pattern with pain-only tumours is to wake up with debilitating pain that eases later in the day, which is not usual with migraines) but the GP showed no interest in following any of this up, and unfortunately my wife wasn't good at standing up for herself (as we found out later, highly likely to be a subtle effect of the tumour given its location in her right frontal lobe).
As a mathematician and engineer, I look at the disorganised and ad hoc way medicine is practised with a certain amount of disbelief. Any other profession would have defined processes and protocols that the GP would follow, particularly in persistent cases like this - whereas it is currently totally up to the discretion of the individual GP, influenced by how much pressure the patient puts them under.
24 October 2012, 07:55 AM
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My dad was rushed to the hospital last night. He was bright yellow and throwing up like no tomorrow, couldn't stand. I wasn't there but his wife has updated me.
My dad is huge and Lynn can't lift him by herself so she parked right at the front doors to drop him off - not allowed to do this FFS IT'S TWO MINUTES
then after or during treatment they said, really he needs to stay in but we have no beds! Bring him back at 8am.
If he died during the night would they be at fault? I'm so angry.... (while taking a dump
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My dad is huge and Lynn can't lift him by herself so she parked right at the front doors to drop him off - not allowed to do this FFS IT'S TWO MINUTES
then after or during treatment they said, really he needs to stay in but we have no beds! Bring him back at 8am.
If he died during the night would they be at fault? I'm so angry.... (while taking a dump
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24 October 2012, 10:35 AM
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I’m so sorry to hear about this.
All I can say is that my father suffered a head injury back in 1999. The first aid people on site kept him laying down (first thing they teach you) and was kept in this position until he
arrived at hospital. He was obviously dazed but still able to speak and was coherent.
When he arrived at A&E, due to a lack of space, he was moved from his bed to a wheel chair. Straight away he had a seizure and from that point, he was touch and go for 3 days. I was 16 at the time and it was very difficult seeing him like that.
He never fully recovered but due to him being very stubborn, he continued to work. He then suffered a massive stroke in 2005.
All I know is that they should not have raised him from the horizontal position because running further checks.
Whether this caused the brain damage or not, we will never know.
Yes, there a lot of people out there in the medical profession that are brilliant at what they do.
But there are also those that are a danger to the public.
This is true in any profession.
Again, my condolences for you and your family.
All I can say is that my father suffered a head injury back in 1999. The first aid people on site kept him laying down (first thing they teach you) and was kept in this position until he
arrived at hospital. He was obviously dazed but still able to speak and was coherent.
When he arrived at A&E, due to a lack of space, he was moved from his bed to a wheel chair. Straight away he had a seizure and from that point, he was touch and go for 3 days. I was 16 at the time and it was very difficult seeing him like that.
He never fully recovered but due to him being very stubborn, he continued to work. He then suffered a massive stroke in 2005.
All I know is that they should not have raised him from the horizontal position because running further checks.
Whether this caused the brain damage or not, we will never know.
Yes, there a lot of people out there in the medical profession that are brilliant at what they do.
But there are also those that are a danger to the public.
This is true in any profession.
Again, my condolences for you and your family.
24 October 2012, 12:45 PM
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Nizmo,
Terribly sad to hear about your mum. Getting back to your original post your experience confirms my view that you sometimes have to bully a GP to get oneself or another looked at by a specialist. This is not easy by any means.
Don't get distracted by insensitive comments by Bubba.
Hope things brighten up for you in the next few months.
David
Terribly sad to hear about your mum. Getting back to your original post your experience confirms my view that you sometimes have to bully a GP to get oneself or another looked at by a specialist. This is not easy by any means.
Don't get distracted by insensitive comments by Bubba.
Hope things brighten up for you in the next few months.
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24 October 2012, 01:05 PM
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I hope everything is ok with your father
I can relate to this as when I was 16 back in 1996 my father fell 30 ft at work and smashed his back and pelvis and was physicly never the same
as he wouldnt be able to move the same after the accident.
sorry to hear about your father gearhead
they were deleted by a moderator but bubba's post's were unpleasant to say the least
I can relate to this as when I was 16 back in 1996 my father fell 30 ft at work and smashed his back and pelvis and was physicly never the same
as he wouldnt be able to move the same after the accident.
sorry to hear about your father gearhead
they were deleted by a moderator but bubba's post's were unpleasant to say the least
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Sadly I think GP incompetence/indifference is more common than it should be, and someone really needs to plan sensible doctor/patient protocols so that the outcome is not so dominated by how pushy the patient is.
My wife spent the first 6 months of 2000 going regularly to her GP because of debilitating headaches and kept getting told they were simply migraines. Then in July she was diagnosed with a brain tumour after a major collapse, and died on 1 November after an unsuccessful course of radio-therapy.
The doctor's excuse is that, of patients presenting solely with headaches and no other signs of neurological problems, only about 1 in 3000 will have a tumour. However, there are other signs that can be used over time to narrow this down (for example, a common pattern with pain-only tumours is to wake up with debilitating pain that eases later in the day, which is not usual with migraines) but the GP showed no interest in following any of this up, and unfortunately my wife wasn't good at standing up for herself (as we found out later, highly likely to be a subtle effect of the tumour given its location in her right frontal lobe).
As a mathematician and engineer, I look at the disorganised and ad hoc way medicine is practised with a certain amount of disbelief. Any other profession would have defined processes and protocols that the GP would follow, particularly in persistent cases like this - whereas it is currently totally up to the discretion of the individual GP, influenced by how much pressure the patient puts them under.
My wife spent the first 6 months of 2000 going regularly to her GP because of debilitating headaches and kept getting told they were simply migraines. Then in July she was diagnosed with a brain tumour after a major collapse, and died on 1 November after an unsuccessful course of radio-therapy.
The doctor's excuse is that, of patients presenting solely with headaches and no other signs of neurological problems, only about 1 in 3000 will have a tumour. However, there are other signs that can be used over time to narrow this down (for example, a common pattern with pain-only tumours is to wake up with debilitating pain that eases later in the day, which is not usual with migraines) but the GP showed no interest in following any of this up, and unfortunately my wife wasn't good at standing up for herself (as we found out later, highly likely to be a subtle effect of the tumour given its location in her right frontal lobe).
As a mathematician and engineer, I look at the disorganised and ad hoc way medicine is practised with a certain amount of disbelief. Any other profession would have defined processes and protocols that the GP would follow, particularly in persistent cases like this - whereas it is currently totally up to the discretion of the individual GP, influenced by how much pressure the patient puts them under.
this must of been a really rough thing to go through
24 October 2012, 01:11 PM
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Very sad to hear this.
I recently had similar with my girlfriends chest pains last month, they started three days before and she visited three different professionals. She saw a GP literally just an hour before she passed away and they were still giving her tablets for a stomach infection... What chance have you got?
I recently had similar with my girlfriends chest pains last month, they started three days before and she visited three different professionals. She saw a GP literally just an hour before she passed away and they were still giving her tablets for a stomach infection... What chance have you got?
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as much as i hate to say it, GP service seems to be a complete lottery
but there are influencial factors also i beleive. eg since moving to a different local authority ive been to that GP once in 7 seven years, although more for my child. so for her to assess any condition or referance family history maybe difficult.
as a child my mother took me to the same practice throughout my life in the area of around 20 years, from infant to adult. i remenber 1 being very unhappy to see me, being considered a nuisence, and the other (much younger) being much more attentive and understanding. spending much more time assessing my symptoms ect before diagnosis. obviously he was the one i wanted to see when ill.
And when my mother was dying from cancer he stuck to his commitment of a home visit weekly, helped the macmillan and maggies carers in pain control and he was ultimatley the one that told us she would shortly die - it was just a matter of time. Hard thing to say to a family.
so maybe same as most professions, some good, some bad.
i beleive i could self prescribe better than a lot of GP'S, but at the same time learn from many others. pot luck.
but there are influencial factors also i beleive. eg since moving to a different local authority ive been to that GP once in 7 seven years, although more for my child. so for her to assess any condition or referance family history maybe difficult.
as a child my mother took me to the same practice throughout my life in the area of around 20 years, from infant to adult. i remenber 1 being very unhappy to see me, being considered a nuisence, and the other (much younger) being much more attentive and understanding. spending much more time assessing my symptoms ect before diagnosis. obviously he was the one i wanted to see when ill.
And when my mother was dying from cancer he stuck to his commitment of a home visit weekly, helped the macmillan and maggies carers in pain control and he was ultimatley the one that told us she would shortly die - it was just a matter of time. Hard thing to say to a family.
so maybe same as most professions, some good, some bad.
i beleive i could self prescribe better than a lot of GP'S, but at the same time learn from many others. pot luck.
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