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We have just sold 2 172's for 250 each,both face lift models on the 02 plate, all running fine and mot just no tax, we get them down here regular at that money as well, keep your eyes out as there are bargains to be had, both of them have been ripped apart for track use now also, good bit of fun to thrash about they are in all fairness, I wouldn't worry about the cup model too much IMO, they are lighter as standard but as you say if your going to pull it apart an mess about with suspension then your spending the extra cash for no reason, and if you want the manual windows like the cup has then pull the motors out the doors lol

bustaMOVEs

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£250 wow I'll have 4 and sell the unwanted parts and get my money back plus profit lol, free motoring there, will help pay for some upgrades lol.
Yeah I think the cup model is only good for resale value but for the uses I'm using it for dosent really matter I suppose.
What actually makes them lighter? And in what way are they a wide track?

Nic1911

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The wider track of the Clio cup allowed bigger wheels a better stance and grip went up as a result so from that respect although you are planning on stripping it out and changing suspension components it might still be the better buy as its a better base to build up from, because if you wanted to have the same width track on the regular model then you would need to change a lot of parts. The cup also binned the ABS system in the 172 not sure about the 182. I know the driving position in the clio is awkward so dependent on your frame you may not like it.

Also I noticed you were mentioning putting slick tyres on, this is not a good idea unless you are planning on pretty much upgrading everything bushes wise and suspension wise not just going for coilovers. Reasons for this is that the tyres are so grippy compared to what the standard parts were designed for that they will fail as they wont be able to cope with the extra stresses placed upon them from hard cornering that the slick tyres would allow.

With the mx-5 the 1.8 is the more powerful unit 146bhp compared to 115bhp. As for a previous comment about weight difference between the 1.6 and 1.8 its very little believe its less than 100kg when coupled to more bhp the heavier 1.8 is still quicker and there is more upgrades available (just) for the 1.8. Dependent on how much more power you are looking to run from the mx-5 brakes wise you wouldn't need to do much expect change to a track biased pad and uprated disks with braided hoses and race fluid.

My personal choice would be the mx-5 a more reliable car to start with lots of potential and the joy of rear wheel drive so you have the choice to hoon around and slide it should you choose to. The clio is an immensely capable car though and they are quicker in standard form. Alot is going to be personal choice I would suggest get a test drive in both and see which suits you the best you might get in one and dislike it therefore putting you in the path of the other.

bustaMOVEs

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Thanks nic good advise there.
Tbh I want fastest as possible for the straight etc so I don't get left behind by the big boys but still want that capabilities of holding speed while cornering to show up the big cars, so a bit stuck. I was just thinking out of the box the Clio is good for that but can't ignore the mx5, maybe later along the line I could rework the engine for more power but need to look into costs, and if I do choose mx5 and it's finished upto race spec and good hp when finished and time to sell on, I should get good money for it as they are a sought after car.

bustaMOVEs

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As a starting point this looks fab
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAZDA-EUNO...2f729c1&_uhb=1

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Honestly fella I'd say over the last year we have had around 5-6 of them all face lift new models anything from 88k upwards we have had, and never paid more than £330 i think it was but for that money you can't complain, we just sold a Clio 192 56 plate 2 owners from new 66k some history behind it in the blue, car sold for 3850 and we made a drink on that as well lol, I don't know what it is with the clios but they just seem to fall in our laps lol, give it a few weeks and no doubt we have another one through the doors, except this time I think we are gonna do what your intentions are and have a good old time on the track, nothing too competitive and costly but mainly for the thrill and enjoyment from it, if your still looking for a car and i come across another ill let you know if you want chances are we will before long

biscuittin

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as its allready been posted the 172 cup has no abs , and also the a/c has been binned , so car is lighter from the start , also you get cheaper inside trim ( but that wont matter as you will be binning it all any way )
k tek do some good bits for the clio

bustaMOVEs

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Cool still not decided on what to do yet, still researching, but I'll give you a shout.
I take it your in the second hand car business?

wether it's got abs or not, I'll probably get rid or leave it if it has, dosent really matter. The aircon will be stripped anyway.

biscuittin

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maye be worth looking a 182 then ??? both are good cheap track toys

ditchmyster

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Looks sweet that mate, ready to rag.

Might have a bid.

bustaMOVEs

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Lol it's nice init, tbh there's quite a few at very cheap money but few niggles like rust is the common one. Very tempting, researching on mx5 forums for ideas.

Is the eunos the best of them then? I know there's a rs version but hard to find and what differences is there in the mk2 models apart from facelift? Think these older ones seem to be more popular as a track car.

scoobiepaul

Have you thought of a 306 gti6 on coilvers? some quick ones round the ring.

Nic1911

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The Eunos basically means its an import. There are different models of mx-5 but esentially the only difference is trim level. Well thats for UKDM models anyway there was only the 2 amounts of bhp 115 and 146 being 1.6 or 1.8 litre engine. JDM spec Eunos will more than likely have a smidge more power and are rarer on the roads.

Nic1911

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There is a factory turbo model but they are rare as rocking horse sh*t

ditchmyster

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sorry i don't know much about them, i rented one in cyprus for a few days and was amazed, was looking at them for a track toy before i bought my type r and very nearly bought one, wish i had now two rebuilds and £15k later.

jura11

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Yes K-Tec doing nice bits,but pricey bits,which simply not worth those money


Jura

type-ra

Buster,

Rust is a problem now on the earlier ones, unless they are a fresh import.

I race a MK1 MX5 - 128 bhp 960kg inc driver & it is awesome!

Forget big power with these cars. I did the MLR sprint a couple of weeks ago in my std V6 STi RA Limited & my times were ****e compared to the times I've had at the same track in the MX5.

Less weight & power with the MX5 means less wear on everything & more driver skill needed. We have used 1 set of Falken 452s this season & they are nowhere near done. Last year at Elvington (which is very rough TBF) my RA pretty much killed a set of tyres in a day.

MX5 all the way for a cheap trackcar

HTH

Dean

bustaMOVEs

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Oohh getting all giddy now been reading mx5oc and mx5nutz and wow some serious stuff, there is a lot using td04 and td05 conversions ranging from 170-220 hp on standard internals and safe too, and further more engine work 300+.
Also mini supercharges are a common one too giving approx 200 hp on stock internals.
Prices vary if it's a DIY or off the shelf job, DIY is about £1k and off the shelf can range between £2-5k fitted so a DIY job is worth thinking about for future if I get one after handling and weight mods.

bustaMOVEs

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Hello dean,
So you have one? Might have to arrange a chat and test some time
What engine is that at that hp? I thought the 1.8 are about 140hp? Or have you got the 1.6?

type-ra

Call Clive (Stigatronix) I think, on the Nutz forum. he's puting a TD04 on a Mk3 now. He's only in Sheffield.
We did a trackday with the race car last year & met a guy who paid about £300 for a Eunos. Drove it to the track - thrashed it to death & drove it home. He's now put a supercharger on it as he's sick of catching people on corners & being left on the straights

On a race, our 20 year old car with over 200,000kms on the clock is bouncing of the limiter for 20 minutes & loves it!

Dean

type-ra

All we can change is the suspension - gaz shocks all round.
ECUs can be swapped between cars at scrutineering - but I've not seen it happen - to stop remapping.
Standard brakes, but we can use different pads.
Control tyres this season were Falken 452s.
Ours is a 1.6. 20 years old. 128bhp & minimum weight of 960kg inc driver.
Dean

bustaMOVEs

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This is the exact reason I want a supercharger/turbo conv.
Which is best to do? As I will use for track so I thought sc would be best for me as the powers there on throttle instead of turbo lag and then kicking in round a corner and drifting unexpectedly

type-ra

I can't help you there I'm afraid. Ours has to be standard to race.
Call Clive, he'll be able to help or Rodders here: www.mx5-racing.co.uk

Personally, I'd get a cheap std car & run it on a few trackdays to get the feel. the think about upping the power.

You are more than welcome to come for a bit of fun next time we run the car.

Dean

Fantom

Forget the Clio Cup. They are still mostly £2k cars.
You want the Phase 1 172............



I am biased, but this is the lightest of the 172/182/197/200
I paid £1250 for mine but there have been some much cheaper ones about.

The standard power is great and with a few handling mods they are great fun

bustaMOVEs

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Yeah I read that the older clios are lighter in weight, tbh you can get the newer versions of the 172 for under £1k it's just the cup ones go for a bit more although there is a couple of cup ones about that have dings on bodywork or no mot or tax that are cheap which would be ideal, as long as it runs ok etc.

Jacko4130

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Clio 172 gets my vote for the money your wanting to spent

pokerpro

mr2 turbo

japanese reliability
mid engine
rear wheel drive
240 bhp standard
300 bhp with simple mods

stiscooby

Me and my bro are looking to do the same thing, don't want to spend loads, just have something to have a bit of fun in on track days and not going to cost the earth to maintain.

We only want to spend a couple of £k between us so we have been thinking of a Zetec Fiesta. My bro would prefer to build one over the winter as thinks this will be cheaper but im not so sure and edge towards paying a little more to get one already done, something like this - http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/c...hip-car/817724

Also looking at the Clio's but not so sure on their reliability??

bustaMOVEs

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Hm not sure on fiestas reliability either, but never had a ford,
Think I'll probably edge towards a mx5 and then later get it turbocharged
Reliable cars, can thrash em all day long, only thist to look out for is that rust on bottom sills.
Renaults are good too, but I'm worried about reliability issues too.
So front or rear wheel drive fun? Which one would you choose?

the shreksta

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front unless i was planning on drifting