Do the Scottish get a better deal ?
29 October 2012, 05:10 PM
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Alan Salmond held up Iceland and Eire as examples of how to a run a country!
What about the jock's working down south, why can't they vote?
Will foreign nationals (non EU) have to pay for all the delights mentioned in the OP?
The companies investing the money are looking closely at the future, if Salmond imposes "Oil Tax" would they stay? If there is so much oil there why do we import so much?
And what about the other questions I asked, nizmo80?
Answers?
What about the jock's working down south, why can't they vote?
Will foreign nationals (non EU) have to pay for all the delights mentioned in the OP?
The companies investing the money are looking closely at the future, if Salmond imposes "Oil Tax" would they stay? If there is so much oil there why do we import so much?
And what about the other questions I asked, nizmo80?
Answers?
29 October 2012, 05:35 PM
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Logical thought is not something Salmond does. He now wants to be in NATO with Regiments and Battalions who struggle to recruit. Will all the Fijian soldiers retain their citizenship and rights?
dont know much about the army so I cant comment on that
Non resident jocks can't vote!
just incase they are contaminated by the english
If jock MP's are allowed to vote in Westminster, why can't they vote in a jock election?
because english MP's are two faced lying snakes in the grass who
fiddle thier expences and let african refugees steal 4 million pounds
why would we let morons like that vote in our country ?
Natural resources that are running out?
allready answered this one
Salmond is starting to get ****e from the MSP's over the "legal" advice he's got! Is he telling pork pies?
the eyes are on salmond and english newspapers and the english goverment will try to do anything to discredit salmond.
have a good look at your own politicians who were caught fiddling tens of thousands of pounds each in bogus expensise claims and were never convicted due to the english goverment corruption
At least salmond is taking a stand for what he believes in and is trying to do the best for his country rather than leeching off it like the english govement.
also we didnt get made a fool of from three african refugees with a fake one hundred child benifits claim and stole 4 million pounds FFS !
what can you say about salmond when your own goverment is a circus !
Bring all the Defence jobs from Faslane down south, the Army
Personnel Centre in Glasgow and all the dosh the relocated Germany units would have brought
go on then
dont know much about the army so I cant comment on that
Non resident jocks can't vote!
just incase they are contaminated by the english
If jock MP's are allowed to vote in Westminster, why can't they vote in a jock election?
because english MP's are two faced lying snakes in the grass who
fiddle thier expences and let african refugees steal 4 million pounds
why would we let morons like that vote in our country ?
Natural resources that are running out?
allready answered this one
Salmond is starting to get ****e from the MSP's over the "legal" advice he's got! Is he telling pork pies?
the eyes are on salmond and english newspapers and the english goverment will try to do anything to discredit salmond.
have a good look at your own politicians who were caught fiddling tens of thousands of pounds each in bogus expensise claims and were never convicted due to the english goverment corruption
At least salmond is taking a stand for what he believes in and is trying to do the best for his country rather than leeching off it like the english govement.
also we didnt get made a fool of from three african refugees with a fake one hundred child benifits claim and stole 4 million pounds FFS !
what can you say about salmond when your own goverment is a circus !
Bring all the Defence jobs from Faslane down south, the Army
Personnel Centre in Glasgow and all the dosh the relocated Germany units would have brought
go on then
Will foreign nationals (non EU) have to pay for all the delights mentioned in the OP?
hell yea they should pay if you are not from scotland and are in scotland you should pay !
but at a reasnoble price
will the companies investing the money are looking closely at the future, if Salmond imposes "Oil Tax" would they stay? If there is so much oil there why do we import so much?
Hey dont even go there it was the english goverment that done a 10 billion pound tax grab theft on oil companys when the recession was in full swing
I remember that one perfectly well !
And what about the other questions I asked, nizmo80?
Answers?
hell yea they should pay if you are not from scotland and are in scotland you should pay !
but at a reasnoble price
will the companies investing the money are looking closely at the future, if Salmond imposes "Oil Tax" would they stay? If there is so much oil there why do we import so much?
Hey dont even go there it was the english goverment that done a 10 billion pound tax grab theft on oil companys when the recession was in full swing
I remember that one perfectly well !
And what about the other questions I asked, nizmo80?
Answers?
hows that
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29 October 2012, 10:22 PM
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How is it the Scottish get free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley etc etc ?
I suspect those of us down south pay more in to the tax system yet get less out, am I missing something, seems very generous of the Scottish Parliament to vote these things through and use tax from the rest of the UK !
I suspect those of us down south pay more in to the tax system yet get less out, am I missing something, seems very generous of the Scottish Parliament to vote these things through and use tax from the rest of the UK !
29 October 2012, 10:32 PM
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I take it your location " the far north " means you are possably scottish " correct me if I am wrong here "
option 1 - if you are scottish
you will be telling Salmond to shove independence up his ****
and some of the reasons being is we will be recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley
proper mong you are if this is the case LOL
option 2 - Unless by the far north you mean the north of england and you are not scottish then you are bubbling because you are not recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley
super LOL if this is the case
option 3 - also if you are not scottish you cant vote on scottish independence so if thats the case then you wont be able to tell Salmond to shove independence up his ****
ultratard if this is the option you chose PMSL
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30 October 2012, 10:47 AM
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Don't worry, they won their independence before then came back begging when their mis-management of finances ruined them.
The Scots lke to paint a picture of how hard done by they were and were 'conquered' by the English, but it simply isn't so.
They screwed up and came begging, cap in hand.
I can't see it happening anyway. Virtually all of the Scots I speak to don't want it. I suppose the only danger is voter apathy, people who do want it will vote, those who don't will just assume it won't get passed and won't bother to vote, handing Salmond the victory he and so few others want.
Geezer
The Scots lke to paint a picture of how hard done by they were and were 'conquered' by the English, but it simply isn't so.
They screwed up and came begging, cap in hand.
I can't see it happening anyway. Virtually all of the Scots I speak to don't want it. I suppose the only danger is voter apathy, people who do want it will vote, those who don't will just assume it won't get passed and won't bother to vote, handing Salmond the victory he and so few others want.
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30 October 2012, 12:00 PM
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In the past Yes we did win our independence before until the English turned the " don't know votes "
Into no votes so we did not get our independence because of English greed and corruption.
So geezer if you are going to post things about the past at least know what you are talking about for Christ sake !
Mis-management of funds mega-lol did your government not let three African refugees steal four million ha ha but don't worry your politicians are happy as it takes the spotlight of them fiddling their expenses lol.
Into no votes so we did not get our independence because of English greed and corruption.
So geezer if you are going to post things about the past at least know what you are talking about for Christ sake !
Mis-management of funds mega-lol did your government not let three African refugees steal four million ha ha but don't worry your politicians are happy as it takes the spotlight of them fiddling their expenses lol.
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30 October 2012, 12:21 PM
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To be fair, England and Wales are always getting freebies or help schemes from the government that Scotland do not get.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17335711
Free laptop and internet access for a year for poor families in England and Wales ONLY..
http://www.careforthefamily.org.uk/article/?article=605
I suppose Scotland is a far smaller country in terms of population, 5m vs 50m in England so everything would cost 10 fold more in England to implement. 1m free university spaces is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than 10m free university spaces, again, the same for prescriptions and everything else we get here.
I'm a Scot and I wont be voting for independence either. We have our own parliament and a 'lot' of powers already. The Scottish government can already offer income tax changes etc Our court system is completely different, our NHS is different. I dont see what would be gained by going independent other than the expense of changing over passports and driving licenses etc. Then again, an independent Scotland might scrap the robbery that is the BBC television license.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17335711
Free laptop and internet access for a year for poor families in England and Wales ONLY..
http://www.careforthefamily.org.uk/article/?article=605
I suppose Scotland is a far smaller country in terms of population, 5m vs 50m in England so everything would cost 10 fold more in England to implement. 1m free university spaces is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than 10m free university spaces, again, the same for prescriptions and everything else we get here.
I'm a Scot and I wont be voting for independence either. We have our own parliament and a 'lot' of powers already. The Scottish government can already offer income tax changes etc Our court system is completely different, our NHS is different. I dont see what would be gained by going independent other than the expense of changing over passports and driving licenses etc. Then again, an independent Scotland might scrap the robbery that is the BBC television license.
30 October 2012, 12:28 PM
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In the past Yes we did win our independence before until the English turned the " don't know votes "
Into no votes so we did not get our independence because of English greed and corruption.
So geezer if you are going to post things about the past at least know what you are talking about for Christ sake !
Mis-management of funds mega-lol did your government not let three African refugees steal four million ha ha but don't worry your politicians are happy as it takes the spotlight of them fiddling their expenses lol.
Into no votes so we did not get our independence because of English greed and corruption.
So geezer if you are going to post things about the past at least know what you are talking about for Christ sake !
Mis-management of funds mega-lol did your government not let three African refugees steal four million ha ha but don't worry your politicians are happy as it takes the spotlight of them fiddling their expenses lol.
You won your independence in 1314, and then after dribbling along for a few centuries, basically shagged your country financially with the Darien Scheme and negotiated union with England to shore up your finances.
There is also very good evidence that many personal deals helped the union, and that Scottish Independence was sold to line the pockets of the few.
As for 'my government', which one do you mean? Parliament at Westminster or the Welsh Assembly? Of course, all governments make bad mistakes, but I can't think of many that sold their 'freedom' after shedding so much blood to get it
Geezer
30 October 2012, 12:59 PM
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Your first paragraph is utter gibberish, both grammatically and factually
You won your independence in 1314, and then after dribbling along for a few centuries, basically shagged your country financially with the Darien Scheme and negotiated union with England to shore up your finances.
There is also very good evidence that many personal deals helped the union, and that Scottish Independence was sold to line the pockets of the few.
As for 'my government', which one do you mean? Parliament at Westminster or the Welsh Assembly? Of course, all governments make bad mistakes, but I can't think of many that sold their 'freedom' after shedding so much blood to get it
Geezer
You won your independence in 1314, and then after dribbling along for a few centuries, basically shagged your country financially with the Darien Scheme and negotiated union with England to shore up your finances.
There is also very good evidence that many personal deals helped the union, and that Scottish Independence was sold to line the pockets of the few.
As for 'my government', which one do you mean? Parliament at Westminster or the Welsh Assembly? Of course, all governments make bad mistakes, but I can't think of many that sold their 'freedom' after shedding so much blood to get it
Geezer
it was so long ago I dont care about that.
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30 October 2012, 01:08 PM
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Honest SNP?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20129783
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20083993
No benefit or payment fraud!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18271810
Alex Salmonds thoughts on Iceland and Eire?
But if English/Welsh?irish people are resident in Scotland they can vote, Yes/No? Is that fair?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20129783
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20083993
No benefit or payment fraud!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18271810
Alex Salmonds thoughts on Iceland and Eire?
But if English/Welsh?irish people are resident in Scotland they can vote, Yes/No? Is that fair?
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30 October 2012, 01:34 PM
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30 October 2012, 01:37 PM
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Honest SNP?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20129783
You are telling me this is as bad as Hmmm I dont know say,,,,, your mp's using their expences like this
David Miliband (Foreign Secretary/Labour, South Shields) – allegedly claimed for gardening expenses and nearly £30,000 in repairs, decorations, and furnishings his family home in South Shields. Miliband has made no comment.
and you are posting links to things that are so small in comparison £12000
PMSL david miliband stole more than double that in expences and that is only one mp there are loads of them linked below 
here is more of the ragtag bunch of thiefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...penses_scandal
No benefit or payment fraud!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18271810
£20m LOL three ugandan refugees almost stole a quater of that and that was only three people whats the total with the rest of the fraudsters
Alex Salmonds thoughts on Iceland and Eire?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-20129783
You are telling me this is as bad as Hmmm I dont know say,,,,, your mp's using their expences like this
David Miliband (Foreign Secretary/Labour, South Shields) – allegedly claimed for gardening expenses and nearly £30,000 in repairs, decorations, and furnishings his family home in South Shields. Miliband has made no comment.
and you are posting links to things that are so small in comparison £12000
PMSL david miliband stole more than double that in expences and that is only one mp there are loads of them linked below
here is more of the ragtag bunch of thiefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...penses_scandal
No benefit or payment fraud!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18271810
£20m LOL three ugandan refugees almost stole a quater of that and that was only three people
whats the total with the rest of the fraudsters Alex Salmonds thoughts on Iceland and Eire?
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30 October 2012, 01:50 PM
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I take it your location " the far north " means you are possably scottish " correct me if I am wrong here "
option 1 - if you are scottish
you will be telling Salmond to shove independence up his ****
and some of the reasons being is we will be recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley proper mong you are if this is the case LOL
option 2 - Unless by the far north you mean the north of england and you are not scottish then you are bubbling because you are not recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley super LOL if this is the case
option 3 - also if you are not scottish you cant vote on scottish independence so if thats the case then you wont be able to tell Salmond to shove independence up his **** ultratard if this is the option you chose PMSL
option 1 - if you are scottish
you will be telling Salmond to shove independence up his ****
and some of the reasons being is we will be recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley
proper mong you are if this is the case LOLoption 2 - Unless by the far north you mean the north of england and you are not scottish then you are bubbling because you are not recieving free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley
super LOL if this is the caseoption 3 - also if you are not scottish you cant vote on scottish independence so if thats the case then you wont be able to tell Salmond to shove independence up his ****
ultratard if this is the option you chose PMSL97Turbo's post (he is in Scotland btw) intimates he is happy not to be independent and enjoy the privileges being afforded under the current set up.
30 October 2012, 02:01 PM
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You KNOW i do a couple of nights a week delivering in a chippy in Glasgow and the only people i have heard of asking for deep fried Mars BARS are english people on holiday
cheers.
cheers.
30 October 2012, 02:07 PM
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makes me look Silly does it well it was ment to be a bit silly as it was written in joking manner.
How is it the Scottish get free prescriptions, free university, free care for the elderley etc etc ?
I suspect those of us down south pay more in to the tax system yet get less out, am I missing something, seems very generous of the Scottish Parliament to vote these things through and use tax from the rest of the UK !
I suspect those of us down south pay more in to the tax system yet get less out, am I missing something, seems very generous of the Scottish Parliament to vote these things through and use tax from the rest of the UK !
well it was people like salmond who got us the privileges mentioned by j4cko
and 97turbo wants to tell salmond to shove independence up his **** ( thats Gratitude for you )
so I think option 1 of my silly post releates very well to this situation
provided 97turbo is actually a scot and not an englishman living in scotland
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30 October 2012, 02:33 PM
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Erm thank you I suppose
something tells me you have a dodgy account as you posted a few posts pretty much at the same time in a few different places so I suspect multiple people using this account
I suspect as you just joined today this could be a troll account
EDIT - LOL I notice you done a runner after I brought this up and logged off ROTFPMSL
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30 October 2012, 03:01 PM
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I have yet to hear a convincing argument in favour of independence that isn't purely ideological.
Just because you don't like the English is a ****-poor reason
Just because you don't like the English is a ****-poor reason
30 October 2012, 03:06 PM
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As a proud Brit first and secondly Englishman, I do not want to see Scotland go independent.
I don’t feel it would serve any of us well. We have a huge amount of shared history and culture. I think that we could never really be truly independent of one-and-other anyway; there are far too many practical and psychological ties.
Some of the separatists need to be careful what they wish for, yes Scotland has fantastic resources to call upon, but do they really think they are best served by handing them over to Alex Salmond and the rest of his Marxist brigade? Scotland would very quickly go bust, if his brand of politics were allowed to properly take hold.
I don’t feel it would serve any of us well. We have a huge amount of shared history and culture. I think that we could never really be truly independent of one-and-other anyway; there are far too many practical and psychological ties.
Some of the separatists need to be careful what they wish for, yes Scotland has fantastic resources to call upon, but do they really think they are best served by handing them over to Alex Salmond and the rest of his Marxist brigade? Scotland would very quickly go bust, if his brand of politics were allowed to properly take hold.
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30 October 2012, 03:26 PM
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please dont think that I dont like the english people telboy as I said
in my first post that I do like the english people and I have a few english cousins friends that I am very fond of
I did say however I did not like the english goverment I do not base my feelings on independence on the fact that I dont like english goverment but in truth that I feel it is time to make our own future for scotland whether good or bad.
most of my posts on this thread has been mostly tounge in cheek humour
not really aiming to offend people as I was just joking around but seriously
I am all for independence and feel us scottish are strong enough to make it on our own
if we do not try we will never know at the end of the day it really is upto the scottish people whether or not this will happen.
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30 October 2012, 03:56 PM
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"Time to make our own future".
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.