Do the Scottish get a better deal ?
30 October 2012, 04:02 PM
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It's just easier with modern technology
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30 October 2012, 04:06 PM
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"Time to make our own future".
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.
maybe it is ideological but then again maybe it isnt nobody can say for sure until it has happened and for me I am willing to take a stand and go for it.
30 October 2012, 04:09 PM
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No i get that. Fortunately (for your country), enough other people can do the maths and not trust to luck for the Independence vote to get through. I guess it's healthy to be patriotic, but i wouldn't want to see a neighbouring country flounder just because a minority of the population thought they could defy the odds, logic and arithmetic.
30 October 2012, 04:15 PM
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just for the record you dont know its a minority until the vote has happened
come on tell me how we would fail if independence was to happen ?
or is your assumptions just guess work
come on tell me how we would fail if independence was to happen ?
or is your assumptions just guess work
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30 October 2012, 04:26 PM
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Nobody knows for sure, otherwise it wouldn't be discussed. The big unknown is of course North Sea Oil. But you can't base a case for independence on a single unknown factor, in a world desperately looking for oil alternatives. Well you can, but then we're back to ideology. Just build another wall so you can't see us and pretend you've "won", that would be my advice
30 October 2012, 04:28 PM
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I couldn't care less one way or the other about the union.... But if they did gain independence, then the revised Union Flag would look shi'ite!...
And if Wales were to get 'their way', then horror of horrors!!...
And if Wales were to get 'their way', then horror of horrors!!...
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30 October 2012, 04:33 PM
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Nobody knows for sure, otherwise it wouldn't be discussed. The big unknown is of course North Sea Oil. But you can't base a case for independence on a single unknown factor, in a world desperately looking for oil alternatives. Well you can, but then we're back to ideology. Just build another wall so you can't see us and pretend you've "won", that would be my advice
and for all the bad things people say about salmond on this thread he is pushing forward
alternate forms of energy production with wind farms and hydro generators
which the truly awfull scottish weather
would really make use of this means of alternate energy production.also we have much more resources than energy production.
Also look at norway with similar resources to us scots and they are a power house of a economy
30 October 2012, 04:40 PM
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Seriously, I'm very proud of OUR Union Flag - it's the best flag out by a country mile IMO (although Japan's is very cool). Be a shame to see it 'devolve', stylistically-wise, into an 'also-ran'... 
Union Flag - it's the best flag out by a country mile IMO (although Japan's is very cool). Be a shame to see it 'devolve', stylistically-wise, into an 'also-ran'...
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30 October 2012, 04:54 PM
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TBH we will always need eachother even with independence so if the vote does go through it would be wise for us to keep strong ties
and yea the japan flag is very cool
30 October 2012, 05:25 PM
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please dont think that I dont like the english people telboy as I said
in my first post that I do like the english people and I have a few english cousins friends that I am very fond of
I did say however I did not like the english goverment I do not base my feelings on independence on the fact that I dont like english goverment but in truth that I feel it is time to make our own future for scotland whether good or bad.
most of my posts on this thread has been mostly tounge in cheek humour
not really aiming to offend people as I was just joking around but seriously
I am all for independence and feel us scottish are strong enough to make it on our own
if we do not try we will never know at the end of the day it really is upto the scottish people whether or not this will happen.
in my first post that I do like the english people and I have a few english cousins friends that I am very fond of
I did say however I did not like the english goverment I do not base my feelings on independence on the fact that I dont like english goverment but in truth that I feel it is time to make our own future for scotland whether good or bad.
most of my posts on this thread has been mostly tounge in cheek humour
not really aiming to offend people as I was just joking around but seriously
I am all for independence and feel us scottish are strong enough to make it on our own
if we do not try we will never know at the end of the day it really is upto the scottish people whether or not this will happen.
Have you considered how Salmonds Neo-Marxist views will impact the Scottish economy. Or is that a price worth paying for independence?
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30 October 2012, 05:28 PM
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30 October 2012, 06:58 PM
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All this talk of Scotland's resources.....
Those resources belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and i'll be surprised if we will be handing them over to Scotland if they gain independence.
Have your freedom, but you ain't keeping the oil
Those resources belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and i'll be surprised if we will be handing them over to Scotland if they gain independence.
Have your freedom, but you ain't keeping the oil
30 October 2012, 07:00 PM
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those resources belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain right now but if we get independence
you will have no choice to step back from the oil !
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30 October 2012, 08:03 PM
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Logical thought is not something Salmond does. He now wants to be in NATO with Regiments and Battalions who struggle to recruit. Will all the Fijian soldiers retain their citizenship and rights?
Non resident jocks can't vote!
If jock MP's are allowed to vote in Westminster, why can't they vote in a jock election?
Natural resources that are running out?
Salmond is starting to get ****e from the MSP's over the "legal" advice he's got! Is he telling pork pies?
Bring all the Defence jobs from Faslane down south, the Army
Personnel Centre in Glasgow and all the dosh the relocated Germany units would have brought
Non resident jocks can't vote!
If jock MP's are allowed to vote in Westminster, why can't they vote in a jock election?
Natural resources that are running out?
Salmond is starting to get ****e from the MSP's over the "legal" advice he's got! Is he telling pork pies?
Bring all the Defence jobs from Faslane down south, the Army
Personnel Centre in Glasgow and all the dosh the relocated Germany units would have brought
30 October 2012, 08:28 PM
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I agree we cant base a case for independence on solely oil
and for all the bad things people say about salmond on this thread he is pushing forward
alternate forms of energy production with wind farms and hydro generators
which the truly awfull scottish weather would really make use of this means of alternate energy production.
also we have much more resources than energy production.
Also look at norway with similar resources to us scots and they are a power house of a economy
and for all the bad things people say about salmond on this thread he is pushing forward
alternate forms of energy production with wind farms and hydro generators
which the truly awfull scottish weather
would really make use of this means of alternate energy production.also we have much more resources than energy production.
Also look at norway with similar resources to us scots and they are a power house of a economy
Scotland wants to be a full member of the EU. Norway ain't.
Will Scotland adopt Norwegian levels of taxation, which are pretty punitive.
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30 October 2012, 08:33 PM
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"Time to make our own future".
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.
"Strong enough to make it on our own".
Ideological 100%. You have very little to gain and a lot to lose from independence. Please don't believe everything Salmond spoon feeds you. It doesn't matter to most English people one way or another, as i've said for many years we're by and large agnostic towards the Scottish, but this yearning of the Scots to "break away" from the auld enemy makes hearts rule heads. You're living proof.
Ah, Tel. Here we go again.
Its not about breaking away from the "auld enemy". The one question, however, I've yet to see anyone from any other political party north or south of the border answer with even the remotest degree of satisfaction is:
If no one really cares and we in Scotland are a drain on the rest of the UK, then why not encourage independence?
Ok, so the labour party are dead against it as without the Scottish vote chances are Cameron could **** everyone's granny bareback and the Conservatives would still win every election going. But then, that begs the question, why are the Conservatives even more dead against an independent Scotland than labour appear to be. What possible benefit can the Union bring?
I've heard the "stronger as one united kingdom" but that doesn't wash. On the basis that (natural resources issue aside) London and more specifically "the City" subsidises the rest of Great Britain in its entirity. A point, incidentally, which makes a mockery of people from all of the rest of England commenting about how "their taxes" subsidise Scotland.
Is it ideological? perhaps. Will it happen? Perhaps not. But its a start, and its making people think about it.
For every degree of pro independence spin from the SNP, there are 2 degrees of anti independece spin from Labour and the Coallition.
In reality I don't think anyone truly knows what could happen if Scotland does become independent. But there are many Scots who are willing to believe in themselves and in their country on a scale never before seen and on a scale that the vast majority of England could never even begin to undertstand.
If thats ideological then I'll take it, thank you, because its a fundimental change for Scotland, a nation which has in recent times been lacking in that positivity and that can only ever be a good thing for Scotland.