JTaylor

You seem sincere, Nizmo, so I'm going to give you a chance to check your facts.

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

Please enlighten me

JTaylor

Just re-read your post and decide whether you think it's accurate.

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

Yea I think it is accurate I have seen no prison time for any of the
Thiefs maybe one or two of them had charges but I seriously doubt
Many of them will face charges

JTaylor

This reminds of the time you accused me of racism, but when challenged couldn't actually muster-up a post of mine that was racist. Well here's your second chance, Hodgy, let's see this post where I "lecture posters from Northern Ireland on the horrors of sectarianism and religious division".

hodgy0_2

happy times

Martin2005

If there was a moderate, pro Britain version of independence then I'd be less suspicious, but we have right now is independence = socialism and anti-Americanism.

That's probably why it will wont happen in my lifetime. As already stated, there far too many politically savvy scots to allow this to happen on Salmonds terms

JTaylor

You couldn't produce any evidence to avert that libel nor can you for this.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Or a member of the EU, so not restricted by EU rules.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membe...European_Union

hodgy0_2

quite prepared for your posts to stand on their own two feet

hodgy0_2

that sound like you are going to napalm them if they don't vote the "right" way

pathetic

Martin2005

Really???

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I totally respect whatever Scotland chooses to do.

I wish I'd not got involved in this discussion now...'pathetic'; what having a point of view????

jef

iTrader: (13)

there is an assumption (mother of all fck ups) that the population sway one political way or another. socialism ect.

its more likely people pick favourable policies from whats on offer - the rest just dont bother voting as the result in differing parties is often not noticed.

JTaylor

You can't substantiate your claims and that's because you're a liar. That post stands on its own two feet.

Miniman

iTrader: (2)

Or

I do subscribe to the last paragraph. And if done right no doubt it will be good for Scotland. However I do find it particularly sad that some cannot see past some misplaced evangelical hatred of England come what may. I think there are pro's and cons and these need to be weighed up.

But if those with the negative (hate?) message are allowed to take power in Scotland, then it isn't going to be good for you. No doubt there will need to be cross border co-operation for the first few years (separating various institutions) and probably forever anyway. Pissing off the English by claiming they are using the Union as a way to subjugate the Scottish will make that difficult.

hodgy0_2

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...ael-again.html

(page 2 onwards for the lazy)

you lecture the scots on scottishness

you lecture the muslims on islam

you lecture people from NI on racial bigotry

it is quite clear

you need to do something usefull with your life, you have too much time on or hands, which leads to your constant and unremitting bullsh1t

john banks

I've not looked into it enough, but am English and living in Scotland. I am concerned about socialist tendencies in Scotland that are unopposed within Scotland and only checked by the English. Unopposed, would they lead to tax and spending on an unprecedented scale? The oil reserves are dwindling, production is well past peak, and it feels like we are too small to weather storms alone.

JTaylor

In the thread you've linked you raise NI and you're now lecturing me on how I should spend my time. A hypocrite, too.

Devildog

Doesn't mean he's not correct though

Devildog

And all of your statements are also completely unsubstantiable.

Thankfully, you won't have the vote. Ironic perhaps that you are a living, breathing, example of the kind of person us Scots will be more than happy to be independent from.

You don't, in reality, have a clue, yet have adopted the stance of one who claims to know it all, and to know what's best for a people and a country you are not part of. even Jasey gets it - and he's not even Scottish.

It is totally bizarre

Devildog

Miniman

The SNP doesn't have an evangelical hatred of England. It has no Hatred at all. This is about making Scotland better about control of our own futures. Its not about getting away from England.

There is a fundimental difference that many south of the border could do to understand.

jasey

Every day I feel myself becoming more Scottish in my outlook .

JTaylor

I came in when you stated:

and went on to point out that Salmond's a socialist republican who I find deeply untrustworthy. What's bizarre is that you and the hypocritical liar don't think that I and others should be able to air our objections to the potential break-up of our Union. Well tough ****, this isn't the Socialist Republic of Scotland and you've no right to censor criticism of Salmond on the grounds that the polemicist lacks 'Scottishness'! You appear to have adopted hodgythink.

Devildog

Are you, honestly, for real?

You are intitled to hold any opinion you want. However you quote that opinion as fact. That is what I have issue with.

I also have issue with the fact that you seem to think that Scotland and America have some degree of connection because of events that happened hundreds of years ago. And I have every right to challenge that bullsh*t on the basis that you're not Scottish, you don't live in Scotland, you have no understanding of the Scottish people or the Scottish culture and therefore cannot possibly know what we feel and believe and the stance that we hold.

I also take issue with the fact that despite all of that, you assume to try and tell me (and my fellow Scots) that our country has an alligence to the USA because, and lets be honest, you think it should

Get tae fvck

JTaylor

As I suspected earlier in the thread, you're unfamiliar with history. You're quite good at nationalist rhetoric and I'm sure you've worked out, as Salmond did, that this has popular appeal amongst the grass roots (you even changed your sign-off, via a quick edit, from "fvck off" to the much more Scottish "Get tae fvck"). What I'm reading here is loud and excitable chanting and nothing more. I discussed my experiences of living in Scotland with a few Scottish S'netters a while back, although one of them is no longer with us, I was heartened to note that he and others had a breadth and depth of knowledge that is so lacking amongst the anti-American, anti-UK tubthumpers of your nationalist socialist party. I just hope you come round before it's too late.

Devildog

lol

Get tae fvck was more apt, hence the edit. If you understood Scottish culure you would understand the real meaning of that.

I'm not anti American, anti English or anti anything for that matter, and neither is the SNP. I have a very good knowledge of Scottish history and culture (and not a knowledge gleaned from the internet), but from living, breathing and being part of this country for over 40 years.

However, and this is the point you seem to completely unable to grasp, that history has no bearing on Scotland's current relationship with America. I gave you current examples, you provide romantic notions of a day gone by.

But I'll leave you to your delusions

JTaylor

You talked about a dead terrorist, Trident and Donald Trump's golf course. I say that 250 years and more of historical and philosophical ties carries more weight (in the same way that osmium carries more weight than hydrogen). Now, I appreciate the left love nothing more than to rewrite history, but, thank goodness, there are still some of us who'll keep that in check. Anyway, back to you...Scotland, Scottish, Scottyness etc. etc.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

James you're saying that the Salmond is cynically using Scottish patriotism to further an agenda, that will ultimately be to the detriment of those who are supporting him. You've touched on historical ties but my opinion is sometimes we look at history with rose tinted spectactles. The focus should be now on moving forward and IF the Scots feel they want independence, they should have it. I don't have the knowledge or inclination to list reasons against Scottish independence but liken it to a child, all grown up and wanting to fly the nest. Forget Salmond and the SNP if the Scottish public want to leave the union then they can't be forced to stay. The seed has been sown and it's bringing out the nationalism in our brethren North of the border.

JTaylor

Post 29 on this thread, final paragraph:

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...ependance.html

It's the SNP who aren't to be trusted - check out the 79 Group.

ETA: Still miss Andy.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

With respect to all of our Scottish contributors, Andy's (andythejock RIP) opinion is the one which I value most and he favours unionism. As corny as it sounds I would consider independence a bad idea just on that basis.