Shaun

Not entirely sure that was ironic, but from a user who couldn't pick the phone up due to working 50hrs a week and not even having time for a dinner break, has been on-line a fair few times today!

What's good enough for the geese is good enough for the gander!

jazzyjembreaze

iTrader: (11)

What's ironic is the thread has become something it shouldn't
Both parties have now spoken
Weather differences have been resolved or not remains to be seen
"Mud sticks" so in some people's light reputations will have been tarnished . To others ,
It's just another witch hunt .
lock the thread

Scoobydooblue

Some of you people are commenting blind....I however was there with Tom from day one, he's a very honest and friendly lad, on the 1st day of having the car it was actually me who noticed the oily smoke, many emails and hastling later David agreed to repair the engine...at NO point was tom told it was a replacement engine( Which we only found out when David told us on this thead)! He was also sold the car with 2 bald rear tyres which I also happend to notice and it somehow passed an MOT! DODGEY! Also exhaust was a bog job! Im also pretty sure the original add said it had an alarm which it doesnt. The AVCR was not even connecting correctly?! and only running actuator pressure? How can you believe somebody who tells you they are repairing an engine to find out they have replaced it months later? Why not tell the truth to start with huh?

You can say well at least david repaired it...but shouldnt he have done that before selling it for 6k knowing theres an engine issue?! and it wasnt an easy proccess to get him to repair or should I say replace the engine....to much sticky stuff surrounded this car when Tom bought it!

Toms now spent some time and money on it getting it right then David fills a potential customers head full of doubts? WHY? David Ive never met you and im glad not to have! i wouldnt let you clean my scooby let alone work on!

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

To the holier than thou crowd..... ie API's band of brown noses.

1. David clearly did not give an opinion to the potential buyer, he made massive negative assumptions because of some childish Petty attempt to upset the OP.
   
2. I saved the original advert for the car with more proof of dishonest behaviour.
   
3. The alarm being defective (or not fitted) only came to light AFTER cash had exchanged hands.
   
4. A decat was replaced for a catted system without being remapped by API and also not disclosed to the OP.
   
5. AVCR was fitted incorrectly, limiting car to actuator pressure (post 1st viewing)

All of the above API REFUSED to take responsibility for and all of the below was either sorted (begrudgingly) or OP was lead to believe had been sorted.

1. Dangerous and bald tyres were re-fitted AFTER an MOT provided for by API.
   
2. Engine smoked very badly from day one and after weeks of argument David eventually told the OP the engine had piston rings and valve stem seals replaced but it has only now come to light that another engine with unknown history and origin had been fitted!?
   
3. After the engine was fitted, the bonnet nearly came open on him at speed as it was improperly fitted, if i hadn't have been passing him in traffic he would not have noticed until it was too late.
   
4. The radiator was also damaged during the engine swap but was also hidden from the OP (luckily it was caught in time)

Tom dealt with all of this in a very civil manner and privately, he gave API every opportunity to get the car to a standard that was expected as per the advertisement, but instead of being treated like a customer he was ignored, met with total resistance and treated like an inconvenience to Davids far superior life (or so he would like to believe).

Would you accept this if it were your car? <------ and I would like this answered please. I know I wouldn't and I certainly wouldn't trust them to work on it again after the last attempt they made. Tom decided to get the vehicle back to where it should have been in the first place by spending his own money on fixing APIs f*** ups. the alternative would be to spends years going down a legal route or publicly shaming API into fixing it (more trust involved).

After all of this david potentially loses tom the sale of the car he has come to loathe because he felt put out by Toms more than reasonable demands.

Remove your heads from Davids anus and see what is right in front of you! If you were in his shoes and weren't a little pissed off by now I would say bull****.

PROOF OF MORE DISHONEST CAR SALES BY DAVID@API
http://bbs.22b.com/forums/showthread.php?1071-API
Amazing what you find when you leave the policed and trader protected SNET.

Cheap digs at the op shaun, cster will not hide the dishonesty of your beloved david.

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

If folk want to continue to use them thats upto them and I don't doubt API have carried out many years of fantastic work but there is a pattern of dishonesty here that cannot be ignored. Why would David want to jeopardise his reputation??? Because his arrogance now far out weighs his sense of responsibility to the customer. And all because people continue to ignore the evidence in front of them.

I hope David takes note of my words as I have had many people backing what I say that are just too scared to confront the mighty API in fear of reprisal from his love struck followers.

Shaun

Lagamorph,
Cheap dig or not.... it was a fact and quite an ironic one at that!

I've not made comment on any specific that has been made for one simple reason.... it has nothing to do with me and I'm not interested in the detail tbh. What was quite obvious to me and a number of others was the way this had been done publicly, when perhaps, a resolve could have been done / cleared up, via a phone call etc. That is my point and the point of others.

Now an insinuation is being made that there is "some" history, so agendas may now be questioned.

David is certainly not my "beloved". Anyone that knows me, knows I'm no fool.... I have used and will continue to use David as he has never done any harm to me and API have always provided me a top level of service. Something he has done for so many before me and will undountedly continue to do with others. I've heard negative stories about everyone, but I can and will only judge someone based on my last and personal experiences.

The fact that a number of other traders, in the same line of business, have praised David and APi, speaks volumes..... I'm not sure I have seen that before by two other competitors on here especially in the current climate.

The OP has had his say, David has had his, you have had yours and I certainly have had mine!

**** happens and life goes on.

You'll never take your car to him, I'll continue to (should the opportunity arise in the future) buy cars from him and let API work on them. It's the way of the world.

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

How many times the OP logged on today is not detail?

You sure do love to give an ill informed opinion though for someone who "it has nothing to do with me and I'm not interested in the detail tbh"

Like I have repeated over and over again that it is far past this stage and i'm sure Tom even has an email by David to back up what I have repeatedly tried to tell you, saying that he doesn't want to hear of the car from Tom again. if thats not API cutting communication with tom then I don't know what is?

not "Now", that information has always been here for you but you chose to ignore it. the way I see it is that David thought he could sell a sub standard vehicle again and got cheesed off that he got found out and had to work on the car without money being exchanged.

Well done and good for you and all other satisfied customers, this is only what Tom wanted and expected of David and API (his personal experiences and many others by the number of PM's I have received).

I have heard David praise these very companies myself and have heard horror stories about 1 of them also, but its not the problem/mistake a company makes its the way the company deals with it that is important (maybe they can give API a few pointers) but I have NEVER heard of either so obviously trying to pull the wool over a customers eyes.

Errr thanks for the obvious?

I was actually a customer of Davids, have had all my scoobs serviced by him at some point or another, but I will never use API again having been witness to his treatment of Tom. Maybe thats the difference, maybe one day it will happen to you? or maybe David knows how much you spend with him and therefore treat you as a customer should be treated.

Your obviously a stubborn chap like me and neither of us will ever think we are in the wrong, but on this occasion you are

Scoobydooblue

Well said Lagamorph....Need anyone say more??

Shaun

Lagamorph,
Please don't take out of context anything I have said, with regard to "ill informed opinion". Please don't try and make something out that it isn't. "It has nothing to do with me...." comment was purely and squarely aimed at the detail of the grievance. I have never made comment on the detail reported, nor will I. It simply has nothing to do with me. I hope that makes it clear with regards to that statement you quote.

The "Now" word quoted (or mis-quoted) should have had a "," after it. Sorry for my poor sentence construction in that instance (see a point I make further on).

I'm not specifically stubborn, it's not about who is right and who is wrong (in my eyes) it's about the fact that putting something "up" on a public forum, then makes it open season to comment, objective and subjective remarks and opinion. This is what you have here on this thread. This is one of the key reasons why this kind of thing is sometimes best handled in other ways.

Hard text is always black and white (pardon the pun) and can be misconstrued by people, regardless of any good intention..... this is why I have and will continue to favour voice or face to face communication. I've been caught out way too many times using this form of communication and fallen foul of it's issues.

Perhaps I became emotive about it as I personally know David, but that is the reality of posting such things on and being part of any community.

As you highlight, we don't all agree on the same things and we will all certainly make our own mind up based on the information we have to hand.

That's it from me on the matter.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

I think this thread has outlived its usefulness. OP has given his twopenneth, the accused has come back and now the outsiders are expressing their opinion. It's probably run its course. Anyone agree?

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

Dont get me wrong I'm glad you did have your say as it helped highlight any gaps in the story that may have influenced opinion (either way). Now all that happen to read this thread can have a better informed opinion. The whole point in public forums dont you think?

Dont worry I kept this reply short

If your saying that this thread should be closed...... maybe, removed...... definately not! threads should not be censored because some users or traders do not agree or like the content or a topic. Everyone should be able to voice opinion of their experiences not just those telling how fantastic a particular specialist is. Everyone should remember that Snet is a forum / discussion board 1st and commercial avenue for traders last. or is it?

Have Iyour comment?

Myles

iTrader: (40)

No, definitely not removed. Just the commentary from outsiders (me included!) is not helping matters. Battle lines have once again been drawn, not conducive to positive discussion in my eyes.

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

Probably a discussion for another thread this see I think the opposite, it adds depth to the discussion and helps to clarify things (as long as it isn't mindless abuse).

sprigeteer

iTrader: (9)

+1

It's been civilised and informed up to this point and the forum has served its purpose. I hope the OP feel it's been positive to air his views - everyone has that right and he seems like a genuine person with a genuine point of view. I'm not sure where it can go now if it sticks to the original point of the thread. Seems clear cut.

Thread should definitely not be deleted - we're intelligent people who can make sense of it.

Should it be locked to stop the innevitable spiral of reprisal comments? Possibly.

One thing I've always said to any one at work: never put into a work based email anything that you would not mind being read aloud to the people that email affects. This has helped to reinforce my view.

Hope it all ends well for all concerned.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

The mindless abuse is coming, mark my words. Then all the useful information will be forgotten.

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

Agree this thread has run its course and people can now make their own decision on using API.
I would like to see a reply from the man himself though regarding the engine work or lack of in this case.

cster

That thread is six years old FFS.
No offense intended mate, but surely you can do better than this?

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

I have more than made my point. If this is the only hole in my arguement you can find that's pretty poor and shows you have nothing else constructive to say, afterall your just parroting tx's comments now.

Myles I think you may be right.... The thread has run its course.

Wmscooby

iTrader: (24)

Wouldn't that suggest its been happening on and off for six years ?

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

to sum thread up
if you have money coming out of your **** you will get the red carpet for your self and your car at most garages
if you don't you won't
if you know **** all about cars you will/may get wallet raped
all the above are the reasons the only 3 people who have touched my car with a spanner are alan tapscott (uk rallycross champion) derek(matrix on here) and myself all of whome i trust , hell alan even showed me the old flywheel and clutch when he fitted my new one and only charged me £120

topshot

iTrader: (4)

Or rare occasions out of how many thousands of customers?

Either way everything should have been done to resolve the issues off the forum. Posting on here should be the last resort especially when the OP is so busy he cant speak to them directly.

Blue and Gold

iTrader: (1)

Speaking to them directly didn't work well last time as I was fobbed off and it was difficult to get anything done.

At the end of the day I appreciate that David is entitled to his opinion but there was no need to lie and this is where my issue started. To make matters worse David then came on here and then lied again (I have emails to prove conversations between me and David but there's no point me putting them on here as I'll just get accused of editing them)

What would have been the point me phoning api just to be fobbed off or told that what I had been told wasn't true?

It's way too easy to lie but the truth will ALWAYS come out in the end

addi monster

iTrader: (6)

Matty although your the biggest ghayer on here i actually agree with this post

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

AGAIN I have to remind you of a previous comment

stedee

iTrader: (4)

sorry to jump on the bandwagon, i usually keep my fingers shut.

these 2 quotes seem to contradict themselves, as in it was as good as any scooby youve had and the engine was smoking.

Blue and Gold

iTrader: (1)

I have all the emails sent between me and David, I have nothing to hide as I have been honest but I will only get accused of editing anything conversation between me and David

Blue and Gold

iTrader: (1)

When I questioned david about the smoking I was told that this was normal and they all do things in their own way and that I should not worry about a bit of smoke (massive understatement)

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

Dude this is just going to go round in circles.

Blue and Gold

iTrader: (1)

Completely agree. Whatever David is putting in that tea must be absolutely magical as these lot are ****ing blind to his wrong doings

Busterbulldog

iTrader: (1)

Surely if a trader changes your engine he should both inform you, if only for the dvla to update the engine number ? Eagle eyed buyers/police/insurers would surely notice.