pslewis

THIS tells me that you are saying that you are not a safe driver - dangerous, in fact.

Looking at your speedo all the time ...... I don't know, I can drive extremely well AND watch my speed too, I'm sorry that you struggle to do that - are you in some way handicapped by any chance?

SRSport

I didn't think it did suggest that I was dangerous. Looking at the speedo less and the road more will make the roads safer for everyone, even you PS with your superb driving ability. Please be aware that I drive within what I deem are safe parameters when at the limit, this includes the number of times I look at the speedo. However, looking at the road more and speedo less would in my opinion be safer still, even if it meant that I crept up to 75mph.

It is ironic to have to keep watching the speedo in the name of safety as this is the very thing that prevents you from fully looking where you are going - even for a nano second. Therefore getting rid of cameras and allowing people to just get on and drive without the paranoia of being caught slipping over the limit would be beneficial for all.

And yes, thats right PS, Im handicapped, well done.

pslewis

OH, I see now ... you think you are above the Law? It becomes crystal clear ......

Well, you've got it all wrong see?

The Law makers tell you what you can do and where you can do it - if you disobey and get caught then you shall be penalised ..... fines and points and then a ban if you still haven't learned the rules of the road.

boomer

I would suggest that using cruise control in most 30mph limits is extremely dangerous!

mb

SRSport

Why is this such hard work? I drive within the parameters of what I feel is safe when driving at the speed limit. Everyone should be capable of doing that otherwise they shouldn't be driving. If you think this is wrong please do us all a favour and take the bus.

Gear Head

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The problem is, not all driver's think like that.
A 17 year old that has just passed their test could think that 60mph in a 30mph is safe.

I really don't see what the problem is with watching your speed whilst you drive. It is very easy, second nature almost. How many parameters do F1 driver's have to cope with?
We just have to worry about one.

I say scrap speed cameras on motorways but increase them in 20mph and 30mph zones, especially near schools. In fact, I think it should be mandatory for every school approach to have one. If you get caught speeding by one of these cameras, it should be 9 points and a £1000 to underline the importance of watching your speed in such areas.

Infected by sti

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Exactly my thoughts! Cut the crap about motorway safety when we all know that's bullsh1t and concentrate on putting the cameras in places that need them such as schools to actually do what they were intended to do, to cut speed and increase safety, you can't say they are safe on a motorway as I would have to disagree with that, even if ur slightly over the limit or even doing the speed limit, first thing you do when you see a camera van?? You use the break, even my parents do it and they are not fast drivers, and then there is somebody behind you who could be doing under the speed limit who is pissing about with their phones who don't see you break In front and decide to hit the back of you as their break instead.

You can't say cameras are safe as I'm pretty sure they have caused their fair share of accidents they are just a fast making cash scheme for our corrupt government IMO

pslewis

"It would make me safer as I can just get on and drive" - that's what you said .... indicating that you consider speed limits a hinderance to you.

You are absolutely a dangerous driver - you need to take the bus with me then!

Leslie

Fair enough as far as I am concerned.

Les

SRSport

You are getting silly now. I said a lot more than just that, even offering examples of speed limit scenarios. I'm not sure why you are choosing to miss out certain parts or why you are so intent on disproving my initial point but either way your questions are now losing credibility and I have entertained your inanity long enough.

Gear Head on the other hand is capable of making some good points and I can see sense in what he says. There is a big difference in driving at 40mph compared to 30mph outside a school and speed cameras enforcing that would easily outweigh the detriment of looking at the speedo more often - all variables considered.

dpb

You need your wits about you using cruise in a 30 ,after all, you'll hit the car infront if you drift off

pslewis

Amazingly for you kiddies (the under 30's) ...... I can use the Cruise wisely and very safely at any speed at which it will allow engagement.

I really am of the impression that the very best drivers on the roads are those, like me, who drove through the 50's, 60's, 70's and to date ..... in cars without all the gizmos the kiddies take for granted these days.

I mean, who cannot keep an eye on the speed while driving? I ask you! Pathetic really ....

dpb

I only use cruise in 30's and 40's cos iv been fcuked over for doing 36 in a thirty

And also because iv learnt it doesn't get you to your destination any quicker doing 5 mph quicker,At least not here

dpb

I also think I'm more aware of what's going on around at this speed

Dale17

This debates gettin a bit heated lol,
Speed cameras should deffinatley be places around every school and college not motorways and dual carriage ways where there's stupid speed limits in place where it's safe to do another 5-10 miles an hour

pslewis

On the Motorways the cameras are set for 80 ..... which is OK, surely?

SRSport

Are they all set at 80mph? I have read that it is 10% +2 i.e. 79mph so near enough but I also have read that the variable speed limit cameras set on the gantries do not conform to this any more.

pslewis

10% + 3 MPH as it has always been.

SRSport

This is an interesting set of guidelines.

"In the past, many Gatsos had thresholds set much higher - in the Metropolitan Police area they were originally set at 43 mph in 30 limits - but in recent years most have been brought down to the minimum ACPO figures (35 to trigger in a 30)".

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/faq.html

pslewis

As I have understood it for decades, yes.

SRSport

Sorry, edited in light of what I had found, but I agree I actually thought the same as you, set to trigger past 79, so 80mph and upwards. The above link suggests otherwise though.

pslewis

Interesting research - but I will just be careful rather than try to second guess what the tolerances are

Dale17

I'd say that's more than reasonable to be honest but still think that there a waste of money on motorways

Dale17

I'm not a speeder but people will always speed on motorways then when they do see a camera have to break sharply witch is a danger at such speeds

_Meridian_

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If you follow his link, you may notice that it doesn't go anywhere. ACPO stopped issuing guidelines years ago, but people still keep quoting them. The high limits set on early cameras were down to the fact that if you set them at 35 in a 30 the camera would run out of film in half a day. The VERY old ACPO "10%+2" is from the early days of prosecution by radar, when this was the lowest margin that most mags would accept at face value. But things change: cameras get better, and courts get stricter. It is entirely down to individual forces what limits they set. You can be assured that any rules you see quoted are almost certainly wrong. Because, remember, driving at 30.0001mph in a 30 is an offence. It's a limit, not the suggested minimum.

Leslie

When I was working I had to miss the treetops, maintain a precise speed and height on an attack run, keep a watch for other machines to avoid collision, talk on the radio, monitor and organise the rest of my crew,keep a visual backup on the navigation, keep accurate timing,and even listen to bad jokes at times!

I find driving a car, missing other vehicles, and cross checking my speed is quite simple really!

Les

andy97

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Going on a speed awareness course now raises your insurance premium for 5 years. So there is no incentive to go on the courses. This is good because the revenue will dry up if everybody takes the points. Finally ending these hideous devices which distract from driving normally. Bring back proper sensible road traffic police!

pslewis

Les, todays kiddies have great difficulty handly something as simple as a car!!!

Not like in the old days - when MEN were MEN ..... we have bred a bunch of Nancy Boys over the last 30 years

dpb

Not sure I'm with you, thought the whole idea with the course was you wouldn't get points, thus insurers have no reason to load???

ScoobySteve69

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Ffs. using brakes = BRAKE If something gets broken = BREAK!!!!!