Spec C It's Staying
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Gutted for you Ty, was really hoping you were gonna get at leat a few months pleasure out if this car.
As said earlier on the phone, youre more than welcome to join me next weekend on the run and take over the wheel of you like.
Tale your time mate and don't make any rash decisions, really hope things turn out for the better.
Atb mate ,R
As said earlier on the phone, youre more than welcome to join me next weekend on the run and take over the wheel of you like.
Tale your time mate and don't make any rash decisions, really hope things turn out for the better.
Atb mate ,R
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Thanks for having a look at the car earlier Ryan, I had already prepared myself for what the reason and end result would be, it still doesn't make it any easier to hear though.
I have three choices in front of me now, I have some serious thinking to do:
1. Enginetuner 2.1 engine build, drive in and drive out - fully mapped and ready for the road.
2. Break the car and sell off as much as possible (obviously not the engine).
3. Sell the car as is and let someone else sort out the engine issue.
To say I am cheesed off is an understatement.
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I'm not sure I agree with the general acceptance that 500bhp is not that high a power output. It's a hell of a lot of bhp imo, especially for a piddly little 2ltrs of capacity. Ask yourself why production high performance cars with this kind of bhp, have far bigger capacities. The combustion forces involved are immense.
What skews any general impression is perhaps the sheer number of 500bhp set-ups now around, but out of those, how many actually stay together without issue. You'll be surprised how those numbers translate.
500bhp is no easy feat with proven reliability. Most of the cars on this forum are weekend runners, which again, skews the general impression imo.
However, this is not what the recent experiences of Cannon Fodder are all about imo. His set-up hasn't appeared to have been up to scratch from the off with the recent round of mods.
From my experiences it is all about the knowledge of the engine builder and something that I don't think is realised, is that these engines and their builds have nuances. If you're not using an experienced Subaru engine builder (and that in itself makes a bif difference imo - being Subaru experienced!), who has a proven record, you really are taking on increased risks. The problem is that many of the engines being built are being ragged to 450bhp and beyond as part of the build.... I'm sorry, but at this level of performance, any short comings in the build and/or spec, will be shown sooner rather than later.... that's part of the issue imo.
Cannon Fodder,
Sorry to hear about your current situation. It's never welcomed news.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
What skews any general impression is perhaps the sheer number of 500bhp set-ups now around, but out of those, how many actually stay together without issue. You'll be surprised how those numbers translate.
500bhp is no easy feat with proven reliability. Most of the cars on this forum are weekend runners, which again, skews the general impression imo.
However, this is not what the recent experiences of Cannon Fodder are all about imo. His set-up hasn't appeared to have been up to scratch from the off with the recent round of mods.
From my experiences it is all about the knowledge of the engine builder and something that I don't think is realised, is that these engines and their builds have nuances. If you're not using an experienced Subaru engine builder (and that in itself makes a bif difference imo - being Subaru experienced!), who has a proven record, you really are taking on increased risks. The problem is that many of the engines being built are being ragged to 450bhp and beyond as part of the build.... I'm sorry, but at this level of performance, any short comings in the build and/or spec, will be shown sooner rather than later.... that's part of the issue imo.
Cannon Fodder,
Sorry to hear about your current situation. It's never welcomed news.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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Gutted for you Ty, will all these work you and Ryan have put in, it's shame that she's off the road again! Whatever you decide to do, it's gonna cost money so make sure it feels the right decision.
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Yes don't break it mate I'm sure there are other options to take as its such a nice car, personally myself but this is me I would sell all the trick bits and get a standard spec c engine built back in it and leave it as a Subaru spec c was intended to be built with just light tuning mod
I know people are saying to have it built by a good company but running big bhp you must expect that no matter how good a build it can still let go at any time as the engine was not made to run such big power through a little 2ltr
If it was back as a spec c should be it would also be easier to sell in the future
I know people are saying to have it built by a good company but running big bhp you must expect that no matter how good a build it can still let go at any time as the engine was not made to run such big power through a little 2ltr
If it was back as a spec c should be it would also be easier to sell in the future
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Gutted to hear this Ty, When you showed some pictures of the previous work I had a horrible feeling it wouldn't last long on that bigger turbo.
I'm a firm believer in using one of the top boys when it comes to engine rebuilds. Thats what they do, day after day and know everything inside and out.
Park it up and leave it for a while, Mule over the options and then progress with what YOU want to do
I'm a firm believer in using one of the top boys when it comes to engine rebuilds. Thats what they do, day after day and know everything inside and out.
Park it up and leave it for a while, Mule over the options and then progress with what YOU want to do
Unfortunately hindsight gives us all 20/20 vision and if I had a time machine then I now know what I should have / shouldn't have done.
As the saying goes learn from your mistakes, never to repeat them.
Gutted for you Ty, was really hoping you were gonna get at leat a few months pleasure out if this car.
As said earlier on the phone, youre more than welcome to join me next weekend on the run and take over the wheel of you like.
Tale your time mate and don't make any rash decisions, really hope things turn out for the better.
Atb mate ,R
As said earlier on the phone, youre more than welcome to join me next weekend on the run and take over the wheel of you like.
Tale your time mate and don't make any rash decisions, really hope things turn out for the better.
Atb mate ,R
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But I totally see where you're coming from, if I go down the rebuild route then I will just have to get down the docks and earn some extra cash (although I would probably end up bankrupt).
This year she would have looked A1 at the shows but she'd already missed the first two of the year, let alone Rallyday and summer PCAD which I can also see being missed as well.
Everything was in place for her to shine at the later shows but yet again the cruel mistress of fate decides to shit on my parade.
Thanks Dean, I certainly have some thinking to do that's for sure.
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I'm not sure I agree with the general acceptance that 500bhp is not that high a power output. It's a hell of a lot of bhp imo, especially for a piddly little 2ltrs of capacity. Ask yourself why production high performance cars with this kind of bhp, have far bigger capacities. The combustion forces involved are immense.
What skews any general impression is perhaps the sheer number of 500bhp set-ups now around, but out of those, how many actually stay together without issue. You'll be surprised how those numbers translate.
500bhp is no easy feat with proven reliability. Most of the cars on this forum are weekend runners, which again, skews the general impression imo.
However, this is not what the recent experiences of Cannon Fodder are all about imo. His set-up hasn't appeared to have been up to scratch from the off with the recent round of mods.
From my experiences it is all about the knowledge of the engine builder and something that I don't think is realised, is that these engines and their builds have nuances. If you're not using an experienced Subaru engine builder (and that in itself makes a bif difference imo - being Subaru experienced!), who has a proven record, you really are taking on increased risks. The problem is that many of the engines being built are being ragged to 450bhp and beyond as part of the build.... I'm sorry, but at this level of performance, any short comings in the build and/or spec, will be shown sooner rather than later.... that's part of the issue imo.
Cannon Fodder,
Sorry to hear about your current situation. It's never welcomed news.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
What skews any general impression is perhaps the sheer number of 500bhp set-ups now around, but out of those, how many actually stay together without issue. You'll be surprised how those numbers translate.
500bhp is no easy feat with proven reliability. Most of the cars on this forum are weekend runners, which again, skews the general impression imo.
However, this is not what the recent experiences of Cannon Fodder are all about imo. His set-up hasn't appeared to have been up to scratch from the off with the recent round of mods.
From my experiences it is all about the knowledge of the engine builder and something that I don't think is realised, is that these engines and their builds have nuances. If you're not using an experienced Subaru engine builder (and that in itself makes a bif difference imo - being Subaru experienced!), who has a proven record, you really are taking on increased risks. The problem is that many of the engines being built are being ragged to 450bhp and beyond as part of the build.... I'm sorry, but at this level of performance, any short comings in the build and/or spec, will be shown sooner rather than later.... that's part of the issue imo.
Cannon Fodder,
Sorry to hear about your current situation. It's never welcomed news.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
I agree that you pay for what you get, there is another phrase about paying primates and the results but I am sure you get the idea.
This whole experience has been a massive learning curve for me, and I hope that in the future should anyone come across this thread that they will learn from what has gone wrong for me.
I'd hate anyone (apart for perhaps a select few) to have to go through the ups, downs, highs and lows that this whole episode has seen to bestow upon me.
For future reference when faced with a big decision to make don't go for the easiest, quickest or cheapest repair possible. Sit back and think about it in the cold hard light of day, don't make snap decisions and then learn to regret them later.
The reason I say cheapest is that at the time it seemed like the most cost effective repair but with the unforeseen costs later borne by myself alone this was far from the case.
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Before I forget many thanks to those today who either called, sent FB or text messages - I really appreciated the kind words of encouragement and offers of help should I need it.
Not the best birthday I have had if I'm being 100% honest, but made easier by the kind thoughts of others.
Not the best birthday I have had if I'm being 100% honest, but made easier by the kind thoughts of others.
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Apologies for my slurring of words ty and possibly not making much sense at all, I was more than a little pissed and was trying not to set the neighbours hedge on fire with the BBQ!!
Chins up mate, make the decision that's right for you and no one else. It's all very easy for us to say get it rebuilt by ET etc but it don't come cheap unfortunately, if you can see yourself keeping it for a good few years then that's the way to go, if not then set the bitch on fire!
R
Oh and a belated happy birthday mate, I didn't realise till this mornin!
Chins up mate, make the decision that's right for you and no one else. It's all very easy for us to say get it rebuilt by ET etc but it don't come cheap unfortunately, if you can see yourself keeping it for a good few years then that's the way to go, if not then set the bitch on fire!
R
Oh and a belated happy birthday mate, I didn't realise till this mornin!
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Apologies for my slurring of words ty and possibly not making much sense at all, I was more than a little pissed and was trying not to set the neighbours hedge on fire with the BBQ!!
Chins up mate, make the decision that's right for you and no one else. It's all very easy for us to say get it rebuilt by ET etc but it don't come cheap unfortunately, if you can see yourself keeping it for a good few years then that's the way to go, if not then set the bitch on fire!
R
Oh and a belated happy birthday mate, I didn't realise till this mornin!
Chins up mate, make the decision that's right for you and no one else. It's all very easy for us to say get it rebuilt by ET etc but it don't come cheap unfortunately, if you can see yourself keeping it for a good few years then that's the way to go, if not then set the bitch on fire!
R
Oh and a belated happy birthday mate, I didn't realise till this mornin!
I know what you mean about the expense it's a little eye watering to say the least.
Still thinking about what to do at present as I don't want to rush into something I regret later.
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That would definitely be the preferred option funds allowing.
Thanks Glenn, I can definitely set the sense behind putting it back to standard but even that wouldn't be cheap - that would require a built engine plus sourcing all the standard parts as well.
Good man Tubby, always there and with just a few choice words you've depressed me even further.
Good man Tubby, always there and with just a few choice words you've depressed me even further.
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Decision Made
After some serious thinking on the matter it looks 99.99% likely that my car will be broken for parts or sold as is.
It really has been a hard decision to reach as this car has had a lot of time and effort put into it and it pains me to do this but I have to let my head overrule my heart on this occasion.
Again I would like to thank those who have been in touch over the weekend, plus of course Ryan for all of his efforts and thoughts on the matter.
I will get some prices together shortly and start a thread in the breaking cars section of the members marketplace.
It really has been a hard decision to reach as this car has had a lot of time and effort put into it and it pains me to do this but I have to let my head overrule my heart on this occasion.
Again I would like to thank those who have been in touch over the weekend, plus of course Ryan for all of his efforts and thoughts on the matter.
I will get some prices together shortly and start a thread in the breaking cars section of the members marketplace.
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I've not commented yet Ty...very sorry to hear this.
Yes, you'll get a lot of your money back breaking the car but, if I've understood it right, this car is not your daily driver, and you were planning/expecting to go for a 2.1 build next year anyway?
So why not mothball the car? Come back to it in 6 months?
Yes, you'll get a lot of your money back breaking the car but, if I've understood it right, this car is not your daily driver, and you were planning/expecting to go for a 2.1 build next year anyway?
So why not mothball the car? Come back to it in 6 months?
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I've not commented yet Ty...very sorry to hear this.
Yes, you'll get a lot of your money back breaking the car but, if I've understood it right, this car is not your daily driver, and you were planning/expecting to go for a 2.1 build next year anyway?
So why not mothball the car? Come back to it in 6 months?
Yes, you'll get a lot of your money back breaking the car but, if I've understood it right, this car is not your daily driver, and you were planning/expecting to go for a 2.1 build next year anyway?
So why not mothball the car? Come back to it in 6 months?
It definitely isn't a daily driver or even a weekend car and what little use I would have had out of it this summer would have been preferable to it spending the next 12 months or so out of use.
I know that if the car was mothballed it would just get to the point where I would just get frustrated and end up selling it off for relative peanuts.
Unfortunately the cold hard economics of the situation are such that I have to take an objective detached view.
I did enquire about that Steve but with all due respect to Fud he built it himself, there is no warranty at all on it and it has a quite major problem which will require a stripdown - so £2200 is a big gamble to take on an unknown issue which I would have to pay to sort out.
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After some serious thinking on the matter it looks 99.99% likely that my car will be broken for parts or sold as is.
It really has been a hard decision to reach as this car has had a lot of time and effort put into it and it pains me to do this but I have to let my head overrule my heart on this occasion.
Again I would like to thank those who have been in touch over the weekend, plus of course Ryan for all of his efforts and thoughts on the matter.
I will get some prices together shortly and start a thread in the breaking cars section of the members marketplace.
It really has been a hard decision to reach as this car has had a lot of time and effort put into it and it pains me to do this but I have to let my head overrule my heart on this occasion.
Again I would like to thank those who have been in touch over the weekend, plus of course Ryan for all of his efforts and thoughts on the matter.
I will get some prices together shortly and start a thread in the breaking cars section of the members marketplace.
Oh yeah, sorry to hear you are going to break her Ty. That car was a real beaut
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You bloody vulture Shaun, nothing is definite yet as there is still 0.01% of doubt in mind but if or when the times comes for the car to be stripped it will be handled by Ryan and all the parts will be either collected or shipped from Leominster.
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Absolutely gutted for you Ty... After all you've been through and all the money you've spent it's come to an end...
ET 2.1 would be my choice but its not my money... I believe you'd regret selling up big time !
ET 2.1 would be my choice but its not my money... I believe you'd regret selling up big time !
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Absolutely gutted for you Ty... After all you've been through and all the money you've spent it's come to an end...
ET 2.1 would be my choice but its not my money... I believe you'd regret selling up big time !
ET 2.1 would be my choice but its not my money... I believe you'd regret selling up big time !