Busterbulldog

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Mate your car reminds me of my Jag,I threw over£20 grand at that on top of the purchase price for it to end up not noticeably faster,but a little faster and noisier and incredibly unreliable. Over Two years of grief I put up with. The trust was gone ..both in the marque and the so called specialists dealing with it. Getting rid broke my heart but it was the right thing to do...press reset start afresh and move on.

The Stitcher

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Hard times my friend and as said before the car is a very nice example of a spec c impreza if it was me I would sell all tunning/ trick bits and put it back to what it should be and appreciate how good it is in standard / mild tuned form and just enjoy it for what it is and not what it can be ,

That's just me tho and I'm sure you have a lot on your plate but either way I hope you still stick with the impreza and weigh up the best option for you

Cannon Fodder

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Thanks Jay, perhaps when I no longer have an Impreza to support I might know what having cash in my pocket is like.

I've always said you can have first choice.

As for being a ***** it's more a case of having to take an adult choice for once and sometimes being an adult means having to make choices that you don't like but have to make them anyway.

Cannon Fodder

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If I do get rid of it then I wouldn't come back to Impreza ownership, I've had 3 now and I wouldn't have another if I'm being 100% honest.

I'm not too sure what I'd go for but I've always liked Skylines or even a Porsche 911 would fill the hole nicely.

Thanks Lee, it wouldn't cost any less in real terms to put it back to standard as it's only the crankshaft which wouldn't be required.

So I've a choice of two decisions to make and one I'll regret immediately and the other I'll regret later.

robjenko

even though i havnt posted much here on scoobynet, i do visit most days just to read on whats going on, see if ive been "spotted" and generaly just admire some nice scoobies! but i have been watching this thread for a while. firstly cause it does look a truely stunning car, and absolute credit to you and your attention to detail and taste in which you've modified it, is very much how i like it. secondly cause like you, ive been in near enough the same situation as you (but not with my subaru - my trackday/hill climb car) i had an engine built by someone close to me which failed dramaticly at the first trackday i did with it (infact, managed 10mins at llandow before it rattled the bottomend, and i was blackflagged for leaving an oil slick!) so feel your pain. i missed out on just a over a full year on a totally new engine which this time ive built myself (which ive never done before) from a bare block up, using quality, proper parts (which i was under the impression were used last time but wasnt!) and now the end is in sight for me, and ive got the engine i thought i had, even though its been hard and disapointing losing yet another year, a load of events i really wanted to do, if i had called time on it back then, i know i would be regreting it now.

JTinnovations

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Feel the pain Ty...I think the answer is whether you love the car, or the marque, enough to want to "bond" with it again.

Impreza's do seem to tug at the heart, and many other cars are just not as satisfying to drive no matter what they're like on paper.

I have been through this several times, but when the car works, the grin factor always persuades me to persevere, and I then fall back "in love" with it.

Not easy....but definitely do what *you* feel is right, and don't be swayed by us lot on here

As an aside - pay attention to your sig. when you consider replying to "anyone" attempting to defend the "quality" of your previous build(s)

-G-

I don't get where this is going Ty, think your just loosing sight of what end result you want.

You said the 460 odd Hp was too much for the road, then to go plowing more money into going for a 2.1 so it'll make the meth figures, without meth is a bit mad, cool, but mad.

As I've said earlier in the thread, when you first had the car, the spec it was running was more than enough. The power was fully usable, and it was just a well balanced car.

I'd be doing th build the cheapest way possible, as in staying as a 2.0, with a slight over bore to compensate for the cylinder marks.

I think this has turned into more of a pub talk car with the figures, rather than enjoying the car as it was.

Have a real think of what your doing, there's no rush, it's your money and car. Don't listen to others pushing you down routes etc of going almighty power.

I think you'll regret selling/breaking the car. I just think your going to the extreme side of a rebuild.

Rethink and ask yourself, what do you really need.

More Hp> less reliable > a lot more time spent broken.

At that sort of Hp even with a specialist building it you can still run into issues.

Gez

prodriverules

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Trouble is Gez it's already been over bored and the 93mm pistons aren't available at present in the brand Ty requires so it would require a new block to go down the standard route which justs adds more cost to the build!

-G-

Ahhhh, didn't know it had already been rebored.

So your in deep money either way.

May as well go all out and have a map for 350Hp then lol

Then drag strip, full map 100000 horses

prodriverules

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I've spoken with Ty and discussed it over and tbf I can see his point,it's basically on him now but tomorrow will see a post either saying it's a go for the build or breaking.

-G-

This is the thing with tuning cars.

My friend has just had a stroker Evo engine built from scratch.

Done all the running in and had the post running in final map, few 100 miles in and the gearbox gave up. So it's not just the engine, it's everything else around it you need to start thinking about then.

Spent ££££'s on the engine, now needs to spend £££'s repairing and upgrading other parts

Can of worms.

-G-

I think it'll go the way of it being broken for parts in this case.

There's must be a fair few ££££££ signs in this car even without the engine.

prodriverules

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That there is Gez,quite a bit to be made from breaking tbho.

JTinnovations

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heart vs head, as Ty said. When all's said and done, it's a lump of metal...so do you have a passion for this specific lump of metal?

mervil

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Problem is, if he gets this engine done, he knows exactly where he stands, if he breaks it and gets a 911 for example then he could potentially be starting again on a slippery slope... and then be back at square 1

JTinnovations

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Very true Mervil...the "devil you know" does count, for sure.

Cannon Fodder

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I've been through the whole car off the road episode before on one extended occasion and at the tail end of last year and the beginning of this year. I fully expected to be taking my car out to all the shows this year and realised earlier that I might not make one at all.

It's no good going to shows as a passenger, in my eyes you may as well not bother going at all - but of course I was grateful to have gone.

I just don't see the point in throwing another £5K or so at the car (engine rebuild, two mapping sessions, fuel costs and car transport) just to in effect be waiting for something else to fail.

I should have come to this decision a long time ago but as you do you keep thinking about 'well if I spend this that will be it' but it never is and now I have decided this far and no further.

Don't get me wrong Tim, I still like the marque but my love for this particular car has long since passed given all the lows I have had with it.

I shouldn't have sold my S202 as I regretted selling that I soon as I saw it drive away, but you learn from your mistakes - well eventually anyway.

I agree with you about when the car is on song then it is great, I had a couple of brief blats with some bikers around Mid Wales when coming back down from Leominster and it felt great until the chuffing coolant temps went through the roof after 250 yards or so.

I really cannot be bothered to go through the whole engine rebuild process again, my patience is at an end with the car.

Cannon Fodder

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Even if I were go back to a more standard engine then I would still be faced with very similar costs, the only difference being the price of a crankshaft.

I could quite easily go out and buy a second hand engine and bang that in the car but I wouldn't as I don't see the point in throwing good money after bad, it would just be a waste of money in my eye you would always be waiting for something to fail.

I think the argument about going for a more road friendly tune and bhp level is fine as long as you haven't had a lot more than standard, it is like most things in life once you've had better you are very reluctant to go back to standard.

It won't be happening, I have had enough thoughts about what to do with the car over this latest enforced off the road period and even though I was expecting the worst and got it it still didn't make it any easier to hear earlier today.

Cannon Fodder

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Well everything else around the engine can handle the power except for the engine.

Just goes to prove that having the recipe doesn't always ensure that the end result will taste any good.

I hope so, but it will be a long drawn out process which is one I am not looking forward to.

Cannon Fodder

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Like I said earlier the marque yes, this particular car not any more.

There is always that risk of course as with anything in life, but equally I could spend all the money required and then some old duffer rear ends my car and writes it off and I get paid out the book value of the car.

If I were to go for say a Skyline then it would have been modified or tweaked before I got hold of it and then it would 100% be staying as it was when I got it.

Sometimes you need to remove 'the devil' from the equation altogether and start from a new point as well.

The Sheep Worrier

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Dunno what to say about this ty to be honest, other than im devastated to here the the latest edition of **** ups, although expected im sure its still a very tough cookie to swallow.😰

A man a meticulous and passionate as you with sourcing and provinding the best parts desreves the best service, something which clearly hasent happened and to say im gutted for you is an understament. I dread to think the time youve spent on the phone to suppliers, doing research on here, and all the travel/fuel expenses incurred and of course your own time. The running in process,again, will be in excess of £250 o should imagaine,ey alone your mapping costs pre and post running in. That in itself is a fair chunck of £ that you should never have had to pay in the first place, and accounts for a relatively small part of the process.

I'll call you later bud. Chins up 'ay.

Rob

Cannon Fodder

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Thanks Rob, yes we'll speak later no doubt.

I sat down last night after initally being 'up' for a 2.1 build and then worked out all the costs both direct and indirect, plus another long period of not really being able to have fun with the car and then thought long and hard.

It occured to me that the car has only been a drain, there is more pleasure in the planning stages than in the actual usage of the car given the expensive miles driven vs cost incurred ratio and price of ownership.

I never thought that it would ever get to this stage with myself but I have to draw the line and stop throwing money at the car.

I have no doubt that I will miss the marque (but not this actual car) and who knows at some point I may well own another but that is some time off, it is time to let my wallet recover and to try something different.

KJD Mk1

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Just buy the 911 that your itching to get behind the wheel of

Hammer man

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Whatever you do decide to do Ty,, dont rush your decision. Take a bit of time and weigh all your options up. I took months to think about it, and then years to save up and do it right. Either way, I hope it all goes well for you....

R1CH D

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BAD BAD news ty, not been on here in a while. A lot of excuses from a certain so called person who also fecked my build up. oil catch can fitment all wrong nuts and bolts missing here and there amongst other things and then the BIGGY a circlip missing from a gudging pin resulting in a lot of bore damage and as scrapped engine. Hope the decision you make is the right one, whether a different manufacturer or staying with the spec c.

Cannon Fodder

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It all depends what I can recoup from breaking the car Kev, I quite like the Boxster 3.2S as well.

Cannon Fodder

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The thing is Cliff in retrospect I should have made this decision a while back rather than to just keep on throwing money at the car.

Time is something I've had and I should have bitten the bullet before now, it was all but sold last year but I decided to keep it. But then again it wouldn't have been fair on the new owner if they'd of inherited my problems albeit unknowingly at the time.

Cannon Fodder

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Yes Ricky Butcher strikes again I'm afraid, no doubt he's feeling pretty smug about how three builds have ended up sh1tting themselves and he walks away in his mind without blame.

Anyone who believes that there is nothing wrong with the work performed only needs to look at the 'schoolboy' errors on my engine build.

It's funny that since I've posted about the timing belt fiasco that he hasn't tried to defend the work carried out.

And for the record the valve clearances were just as bad on the right hand side cylinder head as the left hand side. In fact some of the exhaust valve clearances were found to be 0.33mm which definitely couldn't just have happened they must have been like that on refitment.

Some people should be supervised to build a lego house alone build anything more complicated.

*matthewturb2000*

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hi sorry to jump subject this is the 1st post that came up, im a new member and cant work out how to put a new post up, prob me being dim lol ive got a car to break for parts and how to put it on here as a new thread,help would be much appreaciated cheers.matt

prodriverules

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To be perfectly honest for Dylan to not come out and just say sorry and stop making excuses is beyond a joke,there are no excuses for the mistakes made on this and other builds carried out by him.
It's down to a complete lack of experience plus care and attention.

A piece of paper saying you have enough knowledge to carry out a job doesn't mean you can.