GazTheHat

That's a tidy setup and that amp looks awesome!

Ant

Of course I do but not technically true with a HD picture , maybe it's the photo giving the impression it's further away than it looks.

Evolution Stu

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What makes you think that mate? It is exactly the same regardless of input source materials definition as a HD screen has 1920 pixels left to right in 1080 rows, making 2073600 pixels. So, the bigger the screen, the bigger the pixels and therefore the further away you need to sit to ensure you cant see them all clearly thus making the image look "Pixelated"

Littleted

Stu your cable will be ok, i run a 1.3 and its fine, my Yammi amp passes it through.

All the 1.4 does is Ethernet, there are other i suppose advantages, but none you and i would notice ll techno babble and numbers. Im the same and plastered my 1.3 in. I bought a 60 quid 1.4 but have yet to chop it in LOL

As for 3d Players, Look at the smart ones, Samsung do a few nice ones. I have the Panasonic its good but not great.

In all honesty though get the ps3 or this

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/

Opps are expensive ie 500 to 900 but apart from everything 3d, they are a great STreaming device. so dump them films on a nas somewhere these babys play everything.

basically a highend Boxee or WD TV

Scrooge is good in 3d, at the start its great looking out the shop window

Evolution Stu

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I guess you skipped some replies mate as my 1.3 was fine. The Av receiver wasn't though, so I bought a new one.


I bought Panasonics flagship, the BDT500, amazing at pretty much everything and the image makes my PS3 look pretty poor, especially in low light scenes. I dont need the 2 channel audio capabilities of the Oppo as I have a decent 2 channel system already, nor its streaming capabilities as my TV already does that natively and I have a Gigabit wired network and 8TB HP server dedicated to serving it.

My favorite 3D film so far has been Prometheus. I think it looked better than Avatar on the whole. not effects wise, as avatar is great at that, but as a whole, where you could enjoy the full HD of the movie without constantly thinking about the 3D side making things feel weird and sometimes dark.

Tonights mission is fitting a pair of front highs.

Littleted

By the looks you have a Panasonic, same as me

Does yours stream MKV etc, or are you running a transcoder on your server. Ive yet to see a native TV run HD 720 and 1080 without a decoder none have the codecs

Evolution Stu

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Yes mate, its the new VT50B.

joz8968

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How about viewing a 64" diagonal from 1.96m away?!

Gives the same perceived screen size as sitting in the middle of a Multiplex - the screen totally fills out one's peripheral vision.

I love it!

Evolution Stu

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Nice.

joz8968

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I have the biggest, goggliest eyes out!

lol

chet123

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good choice of amp Stu. Like you I also have a Pionner amp but a VSX LX70 which is 7.1 but I'm running a 5.1 setup of a set of polk audio recessed ceiling speakers. Like one of the previous posts 1.3 is sufficient enough for 3D, with my understanding 1.4 allows return audio from say the TV to the amp. Not sure how that matters if you have all sources going into the amp anyway and all switching is done there.

I can vouch that I run 2 cat5e cables under the floorboards to the back of the tv from the amp which is in a storage cupboard as is the SKY HD box. The conventers were bought from Keene electronics which converts a HDMI signal to run over the cat5 then reconverts it back into its true definition at the tv end.
I control the amp and sky box using a keene ir repeater from the living room plasma. The only thing in the living room is the PS3 (1st generation) which also connects the amp via an optical to digital coax converter to the amp.

Long story short the 3D isnt as cracked up as it is made out to be. Not everything is broadcasted in HD which is dissappointing. Its a good selling ploy though when you walk through shopping malls and sales men are run various clips of 3D when all they are are shorts for advertising.

3D is a great thing to bring into the home but its limited and not as selective as HD channels.

Ant

I was referring more to projection than tv.

But you're approaching it scientifically where in real world sitting infront of a 60" tv 1.94m wouldn't be much difference.

For my dads cinema he's site about 2 Meters away and it work and looks flawlessly and it's part of what I do for a living

joz8968

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My 'lowly' 720p PLV-Z4's 1280x720px display (each pixel 1.5x larger than a 1920x1080 one) is fine at 64".

The chicken wire effect is invisible from 1.96m away.

Ant

Don't let av forums hear that! They'll string you up

joz8968

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Eh?

What, their members would disagree?

Ant

Most probably as its not to specification , I don't venture on there most are more stuck up then people on here and that's hard to beat

Evolution Stu

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I was so drained with it all and the crap you read everywhere about HDMi that I made it my business to learn all about HDMi specs and most of it is smoke and mirrors as I mentioned earlier. There are actually only 2 types of cable. Standard Speed and High speed. Those two types can have integrated into them Ethernet and or ARC. (Audio return) and that is it. If its high speed, 3D will work. The end.

There are no other types. Its all sales bollox to sell you a new cable. The 1.3/1.4 etc refers to the control hardware of the device your plugging the cable into.

ARC by the way is very useful if your viewing content natively on the TV, for example, I stream HD movies directly to the TV and the TV sends that data to my AVR via the ARC and i still get the full dolby surround sound reaching my AVR for decoding and transmission.



Totally agree. Its nice to have and I will still buy top end movie where the 3D adds something, but manly the kids love watching Pixar stuff on it etc, which to be fair, usually is rather impressive!

Projection of course is a different matter as we are not bound by pixel resolution, but it was you whom brought TV viewing distance into it so I assumed you to be talking about TV. LOL

chet123

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Like you Stu I learnt hell of alot around AV setups when I was buying, setting mine up. Its a mine field but if you like this sort of thing and like to learn different areas then its a good place to start. I've had my setup for 6 years now and love watching movies, more importantly football in 3D. I'll be in the same boat when I change my TV for a 3D tv but there will be now rush.

Technology and solutions are so advanced, I mean who would have thought you could run HD over cat5 cable. At the time 15m HDMI cables were £200 plus, found out running 2 cat5 cables and buying £35 adapters you could view HD on your TV. A cheap as chips solution doing the same job.

good luck mate

Evolution Stu

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Totally agree mate, my current minefield is calibrating the reverberation characteristics of the room to get it all as flat as possible.

Surprising what a difference moving my sub has made to the Channel separation of the satellites, it transpires the sub was cancelling quite a few frequencies out with reverberation through being placed in a corner.

Its fascinating stuff when you get into it and start plugging PC's into your AVR. LOL.

Tonight I will be adding the front highs into the mix which will be interesting as I have never heard anything mixed out to supply front high. The bit I am dreading, is hiding the bloody wire. I HATE wires on show with a passion. It can actually cause me sleepless nights... honestly, what a ****?

chet123

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you sound like you know what you are doing. I did the same move the sub around but for me didnt make a difference as i was testing to see if it were affecting the centre channel frequency as I felt i felt and what you may find is the centre db may need to increased as mine sounded a little low. i.e. when watching a movie I had to increase the volume to hear the dialogue but as soon as there was a dynamic action seen the sound was very loud to the point i would turn it down to only turn it up again to hear the dialogue again. It will never be right but I have settled with mines although not 100% but better than when i carried out the auto calibration. lol to this day I still tweak it...remember the centre channel is the most worked speaker of them all.

Evolution Stu

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Yeah, agree about the center, its absolutely the one that makes the most difference and has most impact on teh clarity of your Av system.

Auto calibration on the modern ones is pretty damn good, certainly I am quite impressed by MCACC pro on my new Pioneer, but on my older ones I always used a SPL monitor and set them all to 75db at listening position then measured the distance from there with a tape measure and input it all manually to ensure the surround delays were accurate. It makes a pretty jaw dropping difference when you get it absolutely bang on. Instead of being 6 or 8 or 10 channels of sound, it just becomes one overall "Surround Sound" as it should be, with no real indication of where anything is coming from particularly, it all just sweeps around you as it should. But get one of the speakers more than a few inches out and it can actually have quite a negative impact on it as the timings go to pot and a sound that should go front right, centre, left, rear left will start doing so in steps instead of fading between the two as it should.

Anyway, I am waffling now, better do some bloody work...

joz8968

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Totes.

It's the AV equivalent of PH.