BHP is it all it's cracked up to be.
04 December 2012 | 01:03 AM
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I used a second hand crank and rods from an RA that had been stripped for the cdb, had the crank lightly polished and stuck some new shells in and used my existing pistons, full gasket set and bolted it all back up, gave it a 50 mile run in, changed the oil and gave it some beans, then drove it 1200 miles back to the uk.
It developed an oil leak because i put the rear crank seal in too far, but it's fine apart from that, i even tried to break it by giving it death a few times but it kept going.
It developed an oil leak because i put the rear crank seal in too far, but it's fine apart from that, i even tried to break it by giving it death a few times but it kept going.
04 December 2012 | 01:15 AM
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Hi ditchy
I bought some tires off you a bit back
Anyway I've just sold my 460/410 sti newage
And apart from the looks as I'd heavily modified the body etc I preferred the classic wagon sti I came to pick the tyers up of you
It only had 280 hp but just felt better apart from after 5k rpm where the classic ran out of puff on standard everything even exhaust and filter.
I honestly think brakes , weight reduction new bushes correct tyers and ap brakes suspension and maybe power to 320-350 with supporting mods and switchable maps for meth that adds great hike in torque.
I'd go this way and not be tempted by big hp
It's never enough anyway
Mick
I bought some tires off you a bit back
Anyway I've just sold my 460/410 sti newage
And apart from the looks as I'd heavily modified the body etc I preferred the classic wagon sti I came to pick the tyers up of you
It only had 280 hp but just felt better apart from after 5k rpm where the classic ran out of puff on standard everything even exhaust and filter.
I honestly think brakes , weight reduction new bushes correct tyers and ap brakes suspension and maybe power to 320-350 with supporting mods and switchable maps for meth that adds great hike in torque.
I'd go this way and not be tempted by big hp
It's never enough anyway
Mick
I still have it in my garage but i won't be using it on the road again, i'll turn it into a track slag, and turn the wick up on it in a few years when i have time for a toy.
04 December 2012 | 06:56 AM
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This is really an unanswerable question, as its entirely based on opinion.
Is Bhp all it's cracked up to be?
How much Bhp are we talking?
300, 400, 500, 600+?
Having owned a few performance cars from Clio 182s to Cossies and Imprezas the short answer is No.
Do I need big power to have fun? No
Is big power fun in its own right? Very much so.
Does big power make my car more fun? Do I enjoy it more?
Possibly.
I've said this on many threads before and it's all opinion and context.
My daily drive is a 2005 Clio 182 with both cup packs, braided lines and track tyres.
Do I have as much fun in it as my 570+Bhp Impreza?
Absolutely!
It's quick, agile and very communicative. Without doubt one of the most fun road cars I've ever driven, its engine has real guts and its chassis is superb. Daily it returns 38mpg and 44mpg on a run.
I take it everywhere, from trips to the nurburgring to taking my lady out for dinner, and my snowboard fits in the back lol.
My Impreza started life with me at 265bhp. Since then it's gone from 265, 320, 350, 380, 400+ and now 573.
On my local roads the 525bhp map is the only one I use. It's more than can be used safely and effectively.
Driving it is a dry mouthed and wide eyed experience. It's power delivery from the 2.5ltr motor is brutal and the feeling of being pinned in the seat with all the pops, bangs, flames and wizz is something only a big power turbo car can deliver.
It's absolutely sensational!
Do I enjoy it? Yes I love it!
Do I have more fun in it than a 180bhp clio? No.
It's fun in a different context.
Is it worth the 3mpg at WOT?
Ask yourself how often you can safely deploy 570+Bhp on the road?
Is the feeling of doing so worth it when you can?
You decide.
How long before you run out of road, points, or most often overlooked... Talent!???
Big power comes at a price and with it also responsibility.
Do I have enough power? More than enough.
Do I want more than what I have. Definitely!
IMO a newage road car is at its sweet spot at 360/360.
It's quick, responsive, reliable and exploitable.
Usable 90% of the time in 90% of situations on the public road.
Big power in a race/track/drag car is a whole new thread and in the right conditions, almost too much power is never enough.
But I'm not going there with that discussion.
So is big power all it's cracked up to be?
Maybe?
Just how long is that piece of string?
Is Bhp all it's cracked up to be?
How much Bhp are we talking?
300, 400, 500, 600+?
Having owned a few performance cars from Clio 182s to Cossies and Imprezas the short answer is No.
Do I need big power to have fun? No
Is big power fun in its own right? Very much so.
Does big power make my car more fun? Do I enjoy it more?
Possibly.
I've said this on many threads before and it's all opinion and context.
My daily drive is a 2005 Clio 182 with both cup packs, braided lines and track tyres.
Do I have as much fun in it as my 570+Bhp Impreza?
Absolutely!
It's quick, agile and very communicative. Without doubt one of the most fun road cars I've ever driven, its engine has real guts and its chassis is superb. Daily it returns 38mpg and 44mpg on a run.
I take it everywhere, from trips to the nurburgring to taking my lady out for dinner, and my snowboard fits in the back lol.
My Impreza started life with me at 265bhp. Since then it's gone from 265, 320, 350, 380, 400+ and now 573.
On my local roads the 525bhp map is the only one I use. It's more than can be used safely and effectively.
Driving it is a dry mouthed and wide eyed experience. It's power delivery from the 2.5ltr motor is brutal and the feeling of being pinned in the seat with all the pops, bangs, flames and wizz is something only a big power turbo car can deliver.
It's absolutely sensational!
Do I enjoy it? Yes I love it!
Do I have more fun in it than a 180bhp clio? No.
It's fun in a different context.
Is it worth the 3mpg at WOT?
Ask yourself how often you can safely deploy 570+Bhp on the road?
Is the feeling of doing so worth it when you can?
You decide.
How long before you run out of road, points, or most often overlooked... Talent!???
Big power comes at a price and with it also responsibility.
Do I have enough power? More than enough.
Do I want more than what I have. Definitely!
IMO a newage road car is at its sweet spot at 360/360.
It's quick, responsive, reliable and exploitable.
Usable 90% of the time in 90% of situations on the public road.
Big power in a race/track/drag car is a whole new thread and in the right conditions, almost too much power is never enough.
But I'm not going there with that discussion.
So is big power all it's cracked up to be?
Maybe?
Just how long is that piece of string?
04 December 2012 | 06:44 PM
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Very interesting and thanks for your thoughts frayz.
The car i drive most at the moment is a 1.4 rover 25, it handles ok for what it is because of the wide track, has long gears capable of 96mph (on the clock) in 3rd gear, which makes for a fun drive on all the twisty country roads out here in croatia, it's got bugger all torque but loves it when i rev the **** off it, it's by no means quick but it is fun, and averages 40mpg no matter how i drive it, sometimes less power can be just as much fun as loads for sure.
It's interesting you say the sweet spot on a newage is 360/360 because i found with my type r that i preferred it at around 300 bhp as a road car for the same reasons you listed, which falls in line roughly with the general consensus of opinion that you need an extra 50 bhp on a newage for it to be in line with a classic.
I have so much food for thought and i'm still not sure that big power on a road car is such a good idea.
I think i will let fate make the decision for me, and see what turbo turns up at the right money when the time comes, it will have to be capable of at least 350bhp though, this approach could also save me a few quid on other parts, which is appealing to the scrooge in me.
But one thing this thread is doing is making me realise is, useable power is the direction i'm headed in, for this car at least.
The car i drive most at the moment is a 1.4 rover 25, it handles ok for what it is because of the wide track, has long gears capable of 96mph (on the clock) in 3rd gear, which makes for a fun drive on all the twisty country roads out here in croatia, it's got bugger all torque but loves it when i rev the **** off it, it's by no means quick but it is fun, and averages 40mpg no matter how i drive it, sometimes less power can be just as much fun as loads for sure.
It's interesting you say the sweet spot on a newage is 360/360 because i found with my type r that i preferred it at around 300 bhp as a road car for the same reasons you listed, which falls in line roughly with the general consensus of opinion that you need an extra 50 bhp on a newage for it to be in line with a classic.
I have so much food for thought and i'm still not sure that big power on a road car is such a good idea.
I think i will let fate make the decision for me, and see what turbo turns up at the right money when the time comes, it will have to be capable of at least 350bhp though, this approach could also save me a few quid on other parts, which is appealing to the scrooge in me.
But one thing this thread is doing is making me realise is, useable power is the direction i'm headed in, for this car at least.
04 December 2012 | 07:36 PM
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To be honest I've just gone from 330bhp to just over 440 and I think it's more than enough for the road, if its a dry road no problem but if its even a bit damp (and we live in England) which is more than half of the time then you need to be very careful.
One minute you're doing 5k revs and then all of a sudden you're doing 8k and hopefully still pointing in the right direction. If you're going to track it then the more the merrier but if its everyday road use, you'll very rarely use anything over 400 unless you pre book an A & E bed.
One minute you're doing 5k revs and then all of a sudden you're doing 8k and hopefully still pointing in the right direction. If you're going to track it then the more the merrier but if its everyday road use, you'll very rarely use anything over 400 unless you pre book an A & E bed.
04 December 2012 | 08:23 PM
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Aren't we talking about balance here?, especially when you factor differences between newage/classic, that the balance requires more power for the heavier car.
That's kind of why I aim for 400/400, that If its enough then so be it, If its not then there's options to go higher. Its a "conservative" figure for a 2.1, and I have no idea how it will feel. Going up and up in years to come if I wanted is then relatively cheap bolt on mods/remaps.
That's kind of why I aim for 400/400, that If its enough then so be it, If its not then there's options to go higher. Its a "conservative" figure for a 2.1, and I have no idea how it will feel. Going up and up in years to come if I wanted is then relatively cheap bolt on mods/remaps.
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04 December 2012 | 09:22 PM
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when i first got mine it caught me out on a few occasions, having come from a blob wrx which are quite forgiving, i expected it to be the same, but the dccd soon put paid to that notion, good thing i started out driving rear wheel drive way back when, otherwise i'd have binned it in the first week.
And as for the dccd, chicken.
04 December 2012 | 09:36 PM
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Aren't we talking about balance here?, especially when you factor differences between newage/classic, that the balance requires more power for the heavier car.
That's kind of why I aim for 400/400, that If its enough then so be it, If its not then there's options to go higher. Its a "conservative" figure for a 2.1, and I have no idea how it will feel. Going up and up in years to come if I wanted is then relatively cheap bolt on mods/remaps.
That's kind of why I aim for 400/400, that If its enough then so be it, If its not then there's options to go higher. Its a "conservative" figure for a 2.1, and I have no idea how it will feel. Going up and up in years to come if I wanted is then relatively cheap bolt on mods/remaps.
Firstly the weight helps in getting the power down, then the more composed nature of the chassis means that on the same roads i used to drive in the type r, i'm actually quicker in the blob.
So maybe it is about balance, but the better balanced chassis actually being quicker, because the type r is more of a hand full and requires more precise input from the driver to get the best out of it, the line between getting that right and getting it badly wrong on the road is very thin.
But on track the blob would be left for dead.
04 December 2012 | 09:48 PM
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To be honest I've just gone from 330bhp to just over 440 and I think it's more than enough for the road, if its a dry road no problem but if its even a bit damp (and we live in England) which is more than half of the time then you need to be very careful.
One minute you're doing 5k revs and then all of a sudden you're doing 8k and hopefully still pointing in the right direction. If you're going to track it then the more the merrier but if its everyday road use, you'll very rarely use anything over 400 unless you pre book an A & E bed.
One minute you're doing 5k revs and then all of a sudden you're doing 8k and hopefully still pointing in the right direction. If you're going to track it then the more the merrier but if its everyday road use, you'll very rarely use anything over 400 unless you pre book an A & E bed.
One of my favourite routes is from grantham turn right at the pub in the s bend before redmile that goes into Newark, what a road, then to southwell and up to mansfield and back into nottingham, great in a car and even better on a bike, with lots of other choice routes on the way, i love it out there, the dirt biking is not too shabby either.
04 December 2012 | 10:31 PM
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Agree ditchy
Mine was a vf28 and was asysmatic at top end.
I had a Clio 182 cup at same time too frayz and I agree good car handles Loverly and kicks up the rear wheels.
Mine was a vf28 and was asysmatic at top end.
I had a Clio 182 cup at same time too frayz and I agree good car handles Loverly and kicks up the rear wheels.
04 December 2012 | 10:34 PM
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This is really an unanswerable question, as its entirely based on opinion.
Is Bhp all it's cracked up to be?
How much Bhp are we talking?
300, 400, 500, 600+?
Having owned a few performance cars from Clio 182s to Cossies and Imprezas the short answer is No.
Do I need big power to have fun? No
Is big power fun in its own right? Very much so.
Does big power make my car more fun? Do I enjoy it more?
Possibly.
I've said this on many threads before and it's all opinion and context.
My daily drive is a 2005 Clio 182 with both cup packs, braided lines and track tyres.
Do I have as much fun in it as my 570+Bhp Impreza?
Absolutely!
It's quick, agile and very communicative. Without doubt one of the most fun road cars I've ever driven, its engine has real guts and its chassis is superb. Daily it returns 38mpg and 44mpg on a run.
I take it everywhere, from trips to the nurburgring to taking my lady out for dinner, and my snowboard fits in the back lol.
My Impreza started life with me at 265bhp. Since then it's gone from 265, 320, 350, 380, 400+ and now 573.
On my local roads the 525bhp map is the only one I use. It's more than can be used safely and effectively.
Driving it is a dry mouthed and wide eyed experience. It's power delivery from the 2.5ltr motor is brutal and the feeling of being pinned in the seat with all the pops, bangs, flames and wizz is something only a big power turbo car can deliver.
It's absolutely sensational!
Do I enjoy it? Yes I love it!
Do I have more fun in it than a 180bhp clio? No.
It's fun in a different context.
Is it worth the 3mpg at WOT?
Ask yourself how often you can safely deploy 570+Bhp on the road?
Is the feeling of doing so worth it when you can?
You decide.
How long before you run out of road, points, or most often overlooked... Talent!???
Big power comes at a price and with it also responsibility.
Do I have enough power? More than enough.
Do I want more than what I have. Definitely!
IMO a newage road car is at its sweet spot at 360/360.
It's quick, responsive, reliable and exploitable.
Usable 90% of the time in 90% of situations on the public road.
Big power in a race/track/drag car is a whole new thread and in the right conditions, almost too much power is never enough.
But I'm not going there with that discussion.
So is big power all it's cracked up to be?
Maybe?
Just how long is that piece of string?
Is Bhp all it's cracked up to be?
How much Bhp are we talking?
300, 400, 500, 600+?
Having owned a few performance cars from Clio 182s to Cossies and Imprezas the short answer is No.
Do I need big power to have fun? No
Is big power fun in its own right? Very much so.
Does big power make my car more fun? Do I enjoy it more?
Possibly.
I've said this on many threads before and it's all opinion and context.
My daily drive is a 2005 Clio 182 with both cup packs, braided lines and track tyres.
Do I have as much fun in it as my 570+Bhp Impreza?
Absolutely!
It's quick, agile and very communicative. Without doubt one of the most fun road cars I've ever driven, its engine has real guts and its chassis is superb. Daily it returns 38mpg and 44mpg on a run.
I take it everywhere, from trips to the nurburgring to taking my lady out for dinner, and my snowboard fits in the back lol.
My Impreza started life with me at 265bhp. Since then it's gone from 265, 320, 350, 380, 400+ and now 573.
On my local roads the 525bhp map is the only one I use. It's more than can be used safely and effectively.
Driving it is a dry mouthed and wide eyed experience. It's power delivery from the 2.5ltr motor is brutal and the feeling of being pinned in the seat with all the pops, bangs, flames and wizz is something only a big power turbo car can deliver.
It's absolutely sensational!
Do I enjoy it? Yes I love it!
Do I have more fun in it than a 180bhp clio? No.
It's fun in a different context.
Is it worth the 3mpg at WOT?
Ask yourself how often you can safely deploy 570+Bhp on the road?
Is the feeling of doing so worth it when you can?
You decide.
How long before you run out of road, points, or most often overlooked... Talent!???
Big power comes at a price and with it also responsibility.
Do I have enough power? More than enough.
Do I want more than what I have. Definitely!
IMO a newage road car is at its sweet spot at 360/360.
It's quick, responsive, reliable and exploitable.
Usable 90% of the time in 90% of situations on the public road.
Big power in a race/track/drag car is a whole new thread and in the right conditions, almost too much power is never enough.
But I'm not going there with that discussion.
So is big power all it's cracked up to be?
Maybe?
Just how long is that piece of string?
my snowboard don't fit in anymore, I put spec c rears in mine lol
04 December 2012 | 11:48 PM
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05 December 2012 | 06:53 PM
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lol, i'm from notts and use to cover your neck of the woods when i was an engineer, no real supprise on the roads around there.
One of my favourite routes is from grantham turn right at the pub in the s bend before redmile that goes into Newark, what a road, then to southwell and up to mansfield and back into nottingham, great in a car and even better on a bike, with lots of other choice routes on the way, i love it out there, the dirt biking is not too shabby either.
One of my favourite routes is from grantham turn right at the pub in the s bend before redmile that goes into Newark, what a road, then to southwell and up to mansfield and back into nottingham, great in a car and even better on a bike, with lots of other choice routes on the way, i love it out there, the dirt biking is not too shabby either.
I know the road you mean
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05 December 2012 | 08:12 PM
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So i've had a bit of time to mull things over, think i've come to some where approaching a plan.
SC42 or Md321 billet but with a bit of a twist, i recon if i use 95 ron then i'll have performance and economy, go OS and have a 97+ meth or octane booster as a second map, more inclined to go octane booster than meth, just for the ease of supply in croatia.
What do you guys think.
SC42 or Md321 billet but with a bit of a twist, i recon if i use 95 ron then i'll have performance and economy, go OS and have a 97+ meth or octane booster as a second map, more inclined to go octane booster than meth, just for the ease of supply in croatia.
What do you guys think.
05 December 2012 | 08:51 PM
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So i've had a bit of time to mull things over, think i've come to some where approaching a plan.
SC42 or Md321 billet but with a bit of a twist, i recon if i use 95 ron then i'll have performance and economy, go OS and have a 97+ meth or octane booster as a second map, more inclined to go octane booster than meth, just for the ease of supply in croatia.
What do you guys think.
SC42 or Md321 billet but with a bit of a twist, i recon if i use 95 ron then i'll have performance and economy, go OS and have a 97+ meth or octane booster as a second map, more inclined to go octane booster than meth, just for the ease of supply in croatia.
What do you guys think.
06 December 2012 | 03:25 AM
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Good point, looks like it will be just 95, can't trust the 97 here, i've been told that if they don't have it they just put 95 in the 97 tanks and the same goes for the supposedly 100 ron they have here, dodgy buggers.
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