f1_fan

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No it wasn't, by definition it couldn't be!

Equally it just might not be true,. Let's face it you are a government sympathiser so would never have a different view. If the No campaign had been honest over currency etc. I suspect the vote would have been a narrow yes, but they and you got what you wanted so no worries.

f1_fan

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That would be you then

Shaun

He is a politician - he'd be an absolute tool if he had done anything else.

He will have a number of other things on his mind now. His party was voted in to govern Scotland and his core ambition was to push through independence. Not only has he lost that battle, but also has his party. There is going to be some serious soul searching in the SNP I suspect.

Personally I think that the SNP thought they could have had this one in the bag - this is a MAJOR blow for the SNP (putting personal agenda's within the party aside). It starts to perhaps paint a picture that many of the SNP votes originally were about a protest vote to the three main parties. When a REAL decision had to be made by the Scottish people, they didn't back the SNP by the same majorities.

It will be interesting to see what knock-on this has in the Scottish political arena.

neil-h

Conversely if the yes campaign had actually said what there plan was then they may well of had it easily. I don't know if it was just the BBC coverage but the pro-independance plan seemed to be very pie in the sky.

coupe_20vt

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Nope. I'm Scottish although now live in England.

Read my previous posts on here and you'll see zero vitriol from me.

stevebt

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Well thats it for another 30years, at least more turned out than the vote in 1979

Shaun

Which means what exactly, as in what is the honest statement over the currency (if Scotland departed)?

Genuine question.

f1_fan

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Then why comment about a comment aimed at vitriolic English people?

JGlanzaV

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So, the result was what we all knew would happen because there are more people living in the real world than the SNP's fantasy cuckoo land.

Said all along it would never happen, because without us they are fooked, and it seems the majority knew tthat too. Now can we please have something more interesting to talk about?

f1_fan

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That independent Scotland would have used the pound, there would have had to be a currency union as despite the b1tching from business and politicians it was the only workable solution for both sides of the border.

Tidgy

Salmond still think he can eventually win independance and become king, did you guys not pick up on his additional little 'at this time' comment?

coupe_20vt

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coupe_20vt

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And you know this as fact??

f1_fan

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As does anyone else with half a brain... that excludes most politicians!

ScoobyWon't

Yes, let us talk about the Brexit.

Will the Out campaign use a similar strategy to Salmond i.e. whipping up the Team Britain angle, but also deliver facts and genuine arguments to counter the establishment?

coupe_20vt

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But it doesn't matter now. You're remaining part of the Union and using the UK Pound.

And I'm pleased about it.

Carnut

Well said

Matteeboy

I'm glad we've hung on to a fellow Celtic land.
Absolutely love the place so glad of the result but a yes would have upset Whitehall and that would have been funny.

Martin2005

So the people of Scotland have weak minds and less than half a brain?

It's that kind of analysis that really pisses the Scots off.

Shaun

But the point is, what you state was not absolute fact/guaranteed etc.

You are making an assumption and this has been part of the whole problem with the process (not with you, I mean the whole).

Lack of facts and too many assumptions (on both sides).

Assumptions are the mother of all **** ups.

Assume stands for making an *** of U and ME.

I live and breathe risk / impact / benefit management, so I fully appreciate the delicate situation that has unfolded.

Someone gives me facts based on appreciated context relating to my questions, and I can make an informed decision.

Martin2005

This is why I'm worried about the EU votr . It will be just spin spin spin

gary77

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It's not over yet it is just the start ,

We now have the yes and no voters looking at Westminster to see what powers we will get ,

When it turns out to be a load of bull what will happen ,

One other thing that is on my mind , how did the polls leading Up to the vote manage to be so accurate , I find that remarkable , I don't know anybody that was involved in those polls ,

Shaun

The polls would normally follow a representative cross section of the voting community. Depending upon how representative that cross section is, a poll can be quite accurate in providing an estimated outcome.

Devildog

That's not the point Shaun - if they did tell the banks to make comment that is unacceptable. There is no proof either way.

That's not the point Shaun - if they did tell the supermarkets to make comment that is unacceptable. There is no proof either way.

Of course it will. But here's an offer for you Let Westminster take the revenues frm the oil it has stated throughout the campaign was left, and give Scotland 100% of everything over and above that. Then we'll see the reality.

No one can. There will always be undertainty. There is uncertainty present in the future with or without a referendum.

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Its by and large Shaun. If you're trying to be smart get your grammar right at least


FFS - there's going to be the odd emotional and passionate response.

I'm curious, though, if the results had been reversed would it have been reported as a "resounding" yes. Doubtful.

Don't be so dramatic. You make it sound like there will be a civil war. There were no riots this morning. We didn't all wake up to "I am Legend".

Instead, the streets were quiet.

What's your sudden interest in this all about anyway? Its quite easy for you to jump in now that the vote is known. Shame you avoided all the run up. Hindisght is indeed a wnderful thing.

Yes there will be change, it was always going to happen. But the vast majority of Scots will get on with their lives irrespective of whether they woke up happy or dissapointed today. People of Scotland are used to disapointment. That's the way of this country. Its fault is also its strength.

The Pandora's box is, in my opinion, likely to contain:

Cameron failing to deliver on his promises

Bitterness from England about what little he actually does come good on

Farage gaining support and greater power as a result

Scotland being penalised as a result (with England conveniently forgetting that Scotland is a net contributor per person to the UK economy)

All of which may well lead to a far more challangeing split at some point in the future.

For my part I can only hope none of that happens. But England, particularly, needs to worry about what it does, who it votes for. Because that will affect us all.

Am I disapointed this morning? Yes, along with 1,617,989 other Scots. I see a lost opportunity for positive change. No, there were no guarantees, but there never are.

Do I respect the decision of the 2,001,926 who voted no? Absolutely.

Lets just hope it was the correct one

jonc

Why was it the "only workable solution"? Alex Salmond aparently had 3 Plan B's if there was no currency union!

Geezer

Plenty of independent bodies also said it was not in rUK's interests to have a currency union. It was by no means a lie, like you seem to think, by Westminster. Of course, we will never know.

I hope that now Cameron has called for fairness, they will follow that through and re-work the Barnet formula, as that is unfairly biased towards Scotland, so we should see less money flowing north of the border. That would indeed be fair. However, I don't expect it to happen.

In a way, I am disappointed that they didn't vote for it, if only so see how it panned out for them. I was speaking to a colleague in Edinburgh today, and although they were happy with No, they saw the irony in that the only way to get rid of Salmond was a yes vote, and now they are stuck with him

f1_fan

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Nope, the people of Scotland did what anyone would do when they are told their pensions will be worth less, their salaries will be worth less, they will lose their jobs, their country wlll be bankrupt.... pretty much the rhetoric that your pal Dave and his cohorts were spinning them on the back of he currency lie.... they got scared basically and who can blame them!

Devildog

Your problem Shaun is that you can only see in black and white. And if you can't get that you are unable to make a decision.

You will never have absolute fact or guarantee in this scenario. You are looking for the impossible.

Sometimes you have to make assumptions. You can roll that *** out of u and me **** all you like but this isn't a management training exercise. We are not living in an ideology.

This is the real world where people make assumptions every day. One of my mates is an actuary working in pensions. Yuo do know what an actuary is?

He has to make assumptions. Banks make assumptions. Businesses make assumptions. Assumptions make progress possible.

Its the *basis* of that assumption that matters. Not that is an "assumption"

alcazar

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Not a chance...you played your ace and Westminster trumped it.

I've already seen Cameron promising ENGLAND a better deal now and to deal with the so-called "West Lothian question" sooner rather than later.

With a GENERAL election on the horizon, he's going to have to make good......and with no MPs up in your part of the world, he no longer cares about you!

Sorry and all that...if it had been up to me, you'd be free of us now...and we, free of you.

f1_fan

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