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Old 10 December 2012, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
Prince Charles is hardly the brightest person on the planet, and neither are the sort of people who are amused by this type of jape.
I am glad to see you do not consider yourself among them.
It is interesting to look at the "blame culture" aspect of this, because it is also a good example of peoples wish to avoid personal responsibility for the consequences of their own actions.
All very "An Inspector Calls".
You didn't answer my question though!
Old 10 December 2012, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
I think you are way off the mark which is surprising coming from you who claims to understand and promote our multicultural environment and is able to play the racist card and label people as racist at the drop of a hat.

Surely you must realise that people from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds are affected in different ways by different events.

This lady, having been cruelly duped may have experienced an incredible sense of failure, low self-worth or self-esteem leading to depression that she was unable to recover from.
Us Brits seem to have the capability of making light and seeing the bright side in any situation, sometimes even tragic situations. Some cultures are not like that particularly people from differing cultures struggling to make a life for themselves and their families in this country.
Please don't pretend to give a **** about our ethnic friends. We all know it would be pretty much the first time!

Like I said if you all thought it was such a bad idea where is all your criticism before she killed herself?

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Would not blame the dj's not there fault the women was unstable.
Old 10 December 2012, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Please don't pretend to give a **** about our ethnic friends. We all know you don't!

Like I said if you all thought it was such a bad idea where is all your criticism before she killed herself?
I think a lot of people didn't like it. Just because nothing was said on the holy grail that is Scoobynet, doesn't automatically mean that everyone thought it was fine. Jesus, Kate went in with health issues and some idiot DJ's from Aus thought it was fine to play a prank on her.

And it is highly ironic to hear you talk of a 'blame culture'. All you ever do is try to appoint blame!

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Originally Posted by Gear Head
I think a lot of people didn't like it. Just because nothing was said on the holy grail that is Scoobynet, doesn't automatically mean that everyone thought it was fine. Jesus, Kate went in with health issues and some idiot DJ's from Aus thought it was fine to play a prank on her.

And it is highly ironic to hear you talk of a 'blame culture'. It is all you ever do!
Nothing was said anywhere, that's the point that I cannot seem to get through to you! People like you only had a problem with it after she killed herself. Sanctimonious I think the word is!

You criticise me for a lack of debate and blame now (although f**k knows where that has come from). You really ought to take a long hard look at yourself on here as youi come across like a right pompous know it all when for the most part you know nothing about anything!!

Just saying

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Originally Posted by Camsedin
Would not blame the dj's not there fault the women was unstable.
And I thiought it was just me, thank God there is someone else on here with some common sense
Old 11 December 2012, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Nothing was said anywhere, that's the point that I cannot seem to get through to you! People like you only had a problem with it after she killed herself. Sanctimonious I think the word is!

You criticise me for a lack of debate and blame now (although f**k knows where that has come from). You really ought to take a long hard look at yourself on here as youi come across like a right pompous know it all when for the most part you know nothing about anything!!

Just saying
If the DJ's are completely innocent in all this, then why have issued a public apology?
I'm not getting name calling with you, I just can't be bothered.
For once, can I ask you to try to express and opinion without resulting to childish behaviour.
Old 11 December 2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
You didn't answer my question though!
Your question was pointless.
She did kill herself.
As you say " Perosnally (sic) I think pranks like that are stupid".
Perhaps the only people who were really aware of the story were the types who find amusement at this level - Heat readers and their ilk.
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Originally Posted by cster
Your question was pointless.
She did kill herself.
As you say " Perosnally (sic) I think pranks like that are stupid".
Perhaps the only people who were really aware of the story were the types who find amusement at this level - Heat readers and their ilk.
It's not pointless though is it! If the prank was so wrong it should have been condemned from the outset. It wasn't yet as soon as the nurse was found dead all these people come out of the woodwork with their pious sanctimonious BS aboit how wrong it is!

And now we have a media led witchhunt with a good number of the general public riding the wave of hate they have created..... no wonder this country is the way it is!

As I said before I am sure the media or certain sections of it at least (not to mention some of SN NSR) won't be happy until the these DJs go the same way as the nurse! It's pathetic!
Old 11 December 2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
It's not pointless though is it! If the prank was so wrong it should have been condemned from the outset.
Do you mean condemned by the media and SN NSR?
It was a prank designed to cause amusement at the expense of someone being embarrassed.
And someone has wound up dead. Such is life.
And so it is headline news. Such is life.
I am sure you are clever enough to figure this out for yourself, so I am not sure why you keep asking the same (pointless) question.
Is there a witch-hunt? I don't really follow these celeb type stories myself.
The wife does though - maybe this is all her fault.
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Originally Posted by cster
Do you mean condemned by the media and SN NSR?
It was a prank designed to cause amusement at the expense of someone being embarrassed.
And someone has wound up dead. Such is life.
And so it is headline news. Such is life.
I am sure you are clever enough to figure this out for yourself, so I am not sure why you keep asking the same (pointless) question.
OK let me do this slowly! Many are describing the prank as wrong and the pranksters as stupid (or worse) yet they are only doing so because the woman died. The point is that no one said anything of the sort BEFORE she died. It's band wagon jumping and really the pranksters cannot be held in any way directly accountable for her death! An unfortunate episode I grant you, but they could not have foreseen the events that unfolded and nor could anyone else!

Originally Posted by cster
Is there a witch-hunt? I don't really follow these celeb type stories myself.
Nor do I yet both BBC and Sky were still running it as their headline story last night despite the fact that Israel and the US are claiming to have evidence that the Syrians have and are ready to use chemical weapons and the fact that the idiots in Northern Ireland are kicking off again! Both those stories are far more newsworthy than listening to two DJs forced into apologising for something that is not their fault! The media in this country are scum!
Old 11 December 2012, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Please don't pretend to give a **** about our ethnic friends. We all know it would be pretty much the first time!

Like I said if you all thought it was such a bad idea where is all your criticism before she killed herself?
You are correct, I'm not pretending to give a **** because I don't give a **** as it's not my problem.

But it is quite strange that people like yourself looking through your rose tinted spectacles at your multicultural utopia fail to understand the problems these people face relocating to another continent, understanding a different culture and language while holding down a job and providing for a family.

Then you suggest that the woman had some sort of underlying psychological issue despite the fact that she was publicly humiliated with the possibility of disciplinary action or loss of job just so a couple of clever smart **** ******* can further their careers in broadcasting at her expense.
Old 11 December 2012, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
You are correct, I'm not pretending to give a **** because I don't give a **** as it's not my problem.

But it is quite strange that people like yourself looking through your rose tinted spectacles at your multicultural utopia fail to understand the problems these people face relocating to another continent, understanding a different culture and language while holding down a job and providing for a family.

Then you suggest that the woman had some sort of underlying psychological issue despite the fact that she was publicly humiliated with the possibility of disciplinary action or loss of job just so a couple of clever smart **** ******* can further their careers in broadcasting at her expense.
Now put your toys back in the pram and calm down

Please don't try and gauge what level of understanding I have of other cultures as apart from anything else coming from you it's a bit like being lectured on the techniques of brain surgery by Wayne Rooney!

Also where did I suggest the woman had any underlying psychological issue?

The fact is that you like so many others are only up in arms about this because you love a good band wagon to jump on. It's a tragedy for sure, but the blame is not in any way directly attributable to the radio station or DJs.

Oh and by the way the hospital have quite clearly stated that she faced no disciplinary action or any possibility of losing her job over the issue, but let's not let that get in the way of a good foot stomping eh?
Old 11 December 2012, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
OK let me do this slowly! Many are describing the prank as wrong and the pranksters as stupid (or worse) yet they are only doing so because the woman died. The point is that no one said anything of the sort BEFORE she died. It's band wagon jumping and really the pranksters cannot be held in any way directly accountable for her death! An unfortunate episode I grant you, but they could not have foreseen the events that unfolded and nor could anyone else!



Nor do I yet both BBC and Sky were still running it as their headline story last night despite the fact that Israel and the US are claiming to have evidence that the Syrians have and are ready to use chemical weapons and the fact that the idiots in Northern Ireland are kicking off again! Both those stories are far more newsworthy than listening to two DJs forced into apologising for something that is not their fault! The media in this country are scum!
The prank was stupid before the woman died. Pretty self evident really and as such, no reason to point this out - unless you think it will sell copy to the masses. Well, I agree - it won't.
You say the events that unfolded were as unforeseeable - I disagree. The sole purpose of the prank was to cause embarrassment. On the basis of the evidence, I would have to say that the prank in this regard was rather successful.

I think that the media is merely a reflection of the people who buy into it.
With the exception of the BBC who we pay to tell us how to think. I am indeed reassured that they are so dumbed down these days that they are happy to indulge in all manner of public titillation as well as finding the time to "enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain". No doubt Wossy and Russ Brand are dealing with that end of things.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
To be fair Les we still don't know that 100%!
Yes true, but it has been reported that it appears that she killed herself.

Les
Old 11 December 2012, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes true, but it has been reported that it appears that she killed herself.

Les
In your opinion Les, would you say that her death and the phone prank are not related?

My point is that if everyone saw the world through rose tinted specs, suspected criminals would never be investigated. We as humans ( not all intelligent I admit! ) are an inquisitive species. It has won us wars, it has got into space, it has helped us bring criminals to justice.

I just can't see why you think what I said was wrong.
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I hate these kind of pranks and get embarassed on behalf of the person.

However, the DJs were not to know what this would cause and it is similiar to hundreds of other pranks that go on daily throughout the world. There was even one on here the other day where a 'ghost' little girl came into a lift? That could cause a heart attack etc...
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I think the biggest problem the Australians are going to have is the fact they broadcast the prank phonecall without gaining permission from those involved.

Big fine time but not really the DJ's fault as it was signed off by the legal team.

I feel sorry for them and the family and friends of the nurse of course.
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
In your opinion Les, would you say that her death and the phone prank are not related?

My point is that if everyone saw the world through rose tinted specs, suspected criminals would never be investigated. We as humans ( not all intelligent I admit! ) are an inquisitive species. It has won us wars, it has got into space, it has helped us bring criminals to justice.

I just can't see why you think what I said was wrong.

It is really hard to say for definite whether the two events are absolutely connected. We honestly do not know exactly why she committed suicide. We did not even know that she had done at the time of the initial posts in the first place.

She might well have been under a cloud at the time and the fake phone call could have pushed her over the top. The simple fact of having been decieved as she was seems a bit much to push someone into killing themselves purely on the strength of having been fooled like that.

Although I accept that the phone call may well have had a strong adverse affect on her and could be associated with her suicide, we don't know her state of mind and whether there were other factors causing her to act as she did.

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Originally Posted by Leslie
We honestly do not know exactly why she committed suicide. We did not even know that she had done at the time of the initial posts in the first place.
We know a lot more now though.
The inquest results came out today.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It is really hard to say for definite whether the two events are absolutely connected. We honestly do not know exactly why she committed suicide. We did not even know that she had done at the time of the initial posts in the first place.

She might well have been under a cloud at the time and the fake phone call could have pushed her over the top. The simple fact of having been decieved as she was seems a bit much to push someone into killing themselves purely on the strength of having been fooled like that.

Although I accept that the phone call may well have had a strong adverse affect on her and could be associated with her suicide, we don't know her state of mind and whether there were other factors causing her to act as she did.

Les
So, in a round about way, yes, it was reasonable to assume the connection.
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With respect, this lady must have had has serious head issues.
She simply took a call and passed it through to someone else, so its not like she gave out any information per say.
Then after the whole affair goes headline, she is found hanged with wrist injury.
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
So, in a round about way, yes, it was reasonable to assume the connection.
Certainly hop on the roundabout once the full circumstances of her death are made clear rather than make guesses with scanty or no information!

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