No, you're being unecessarily defensive and factually incorrect. If you read what I've put about early warning signals the bloke wouldn't have got in to your home. That said, simply locking the door is free.

Ultimately your Dad is safe and that is the good thing. These useless thieving bástards don't fear the law or homeowners for that matter. It is up to everyone to do what they can just in case. I've had security for 20 years and not once have I needed it but would I remove it? Not a chance. It is my number one priority and I've even just upgraded it again to keep up with technology.

 

To be fair, you're correct, unless you're looking to spend a fortune on CCTV it will be pretty useless, and cost wise it will certainly outweigh what your trying to achieve. You seem like you are pretty clued up with it all. Just double check all your sensored flood lights and make sure all is secure!

 

Forget CCTV as a means of identifying the intruders after the event, think of it more as a means of seeing where the threat is coming from and what numbers you are dealing with. What you need is complete perimeter protection giving you an early warning and hence time to prepare for the threat.

 

I'm guessing you are imagining they are minted. What you are talking about would cost a fortune, sounds like a military operation. I'm guessing if they own a farm the perimeter of their fields would be massive. All they need to focus on is security features and deterrents around their farmhouse, that's where they will be the majority of time and that's the place that needs protection!

 

All you need to do is start breading dogs Big nasty *******s no 1 will come near the farm then.

 

The person who said geese was spot on, people from the travelling community will try to never rob off a place with geese as then make so much noise and give it away that they are there.

 

I read some utter crŕp on here but you've won December's prize. So you're saying whatever has been spent on their CCTV is enough, and anymore isn't worth it compared to potentially serious injury or even a life?

Whatever the cost of the current CCTV system, going on what has been said, is not money well spent. Whoever took money for a system not covering a door wants to change professions.

I'd also hazard a guess, like with so many things in life, if anybody clues themselves up and sources the right gear themselves, not necessarily brand new, it would cost less than having Johnny Mediocre coming to your home and fitting a badly thought out, average performing system.

 

I have a similar systen to Spoon just not quite so sophisticated; A voltek securlite PIR system, two zones (one front one rear) Each wired to two sounders (one in hall, one in kitchen), and working via eight strategically placed PIRs (four front, four rear).

The end result is nobody can set foot on my property without anyone inside knowing about it. No point in CCTV if it just silently records in background whilst all hell breaks loose...if someone is messing around you want it to TELL you not just record it!

It also triggers the additional floodlighting (three front, two rear), and can be used to trigger CCTV for event recording if needed (never got that far).

In addition to that, the main house alarm has a speech dialer unit to call up friends/relatives (not police - thats illegal unless its via ADT/redcare etc), and there is a panic message which is triggered if the panic button is pressed or if a duress code is entered. In addition to the panic alarm, there is a 127db Master Blaster motor driven siren that is one of the loudest domestic/commercial sirens you can buy...so loud it totally drowns out the normal alarm siren, and I can hear it from my mum's house which is over a mile away.

And the dog....erm Jack Russell cross/mongrel terrier thing. Not big and very cute, but hes a noisy, nippy and territorial little f**ker. He's good as a alert dog though.

 

No it wouldn't cost a fortune. 30 metre detection across the field, setting of an alarm in the house, to then check the camera, to then prepare your move in good time. Early warning security is essential in this case of a farm in the middle of not much.

 

It's a proven fact that other forms of deterrents i.e signage is much more effective than CCTV. Not saying don't put it up, just saying there are much more cost effective things. CCTV will only ever help once something has happened and you are trying to identify someone, and that's really not very helpful in this situation. If he can afford a triggered alarm system them much better, but the CCTV part is still not helpful in terms of deterring someone coming in. I would invest in further locks and lighting, people who are on the rob don't like to be seen, and generally keeping things shut and hidden so people don't know what's inside to take!

 

Are you for real or are you warming up for January's prize too?

So putting up signs is more of a deterrent than actually having CCTV? Where has it been mentioned that CCTV is a deterrent for starters? It's a tool that can be used covertly if chosen should, for one, a record of intruders be required as an extra measure for identification.

CCTV can help before things happen, mine certainly does. Anybody within 30 metres of my gates, on the drive leading up, will be spotted and I will be alerted wherever I am, to allow me to watch.

You dismissed early warning systems on your other post, yet you now say you'd concentrate on deterring people from coming in. You aren't making much sense.

 

Completely agree that early warning is key, but you must be looking at Ł1k for the initial detection system basing it on a small sized farm with one field, then add alarms and sensors for outbuilding(s), another few hundred minimum. Then a decent camera system on the house, which for a half decent picture and night viewing probably about Ł500. Going to be more if its a bigger farm as the accessibility covers a greater area. Ł2k basic to me is a lot of money. If they can afford it, then brilliant.

Personally think that you need to start with the basics and essentials closer to home first. I'm sure that all this wont be needed anyway, hopefully his dads gun shot has shat them up a bit so they won't return!

 

Putting signs up announcing you have CCTV will put people off coming on to your property in the first place, why do you think big commercial and building merchants etc announce they have CCTV. It all acts as a deterrent. Covert is good when you're actively looking to catch someone you know is doing something, if you have CCTV you want it plastered out so people can see, that's why dummy cameras/CCTV in operation signs work the same, to deter! If people want on your property that bad then they will find a way!

Edit: There's also a difference between a deterrent and an early warning sign. You could have both, but the first thing on the list is to deter people, then if they still want to come on your land then you want a warning sign, but by that time there now a threat. You want to deter them in the first place (I.e with signage) and make them think twice, where as if you have nothing up advertising what you have/potentially have, then they'll just wonder on straight away!

 

So like your signage fact on the previous post, you have comprehensively researched the actual cost of the system I briefly touched on and not just come up with any old figure? Then once you arrived at that figure you decided it was a lot of money for you, even though the thread is about someone else's farm and what would be best for them not you?

Taking the 2K figure that you researched properly, (including cameras that aren't necessary for the perimeter guard), and never plucked out of the air, no really, you decided it was more than you'd consider worth spending to potentially help protect against serious injury or even death. Tonight's thread could have been so much worse than just a scare and implying someone has to be minted to give them a better chance of defence is just plain daft.

 

And also, where have I "dismissed" early warning signs? I think you'll find I mentioned to sort out flood lighting first, which is a warning sign and much more cost effective start!

 

Why do I think big commercial and building merchants put up CCTV signs, because they have to by law

On that note I must sleep.

 

Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the bit at the start where he said he could afford an all singing and dancing system that you've just spent his money on. We are both just giving our own opinions, mines just more cost effective that can help as well. We are both working on different things here, one a deterrent which i feel will help and you a warning system. We both agree on the frightening stance in this situation though!

 

Spoon, I couldn't agree more, you are spot on with everything you have said.

A number of events that have happened to friends and family over the last couple of years means I have decided to spend what it takes to completely secure my house.

The security of my family comes before anything else and there is no point thinking about it after the worst has happened.

I already have basic stuff like CCTV, ADT alarm, floodlights etc but there are some glaring holes in the whole thing as a system.

I'm having some building work done in January and want to use that opportunity to ensure the security is the best it can be.

Closer to the time would it be ok to pm you for some advice?

Many thanks

 

It makes more secse than your first post ! You said no-one could be seen on cctv so we assumed your dad was a loon or drunk ! Sorry for any offence.

 

Did you read my post?

 

I know it would take time but is it worth viewing previous CCTV footage to see if they had scanned the place. In day light first?

 

Big nasty dog.

And spoon i need a bit of advice on training my cane corso, could you pm me i'd like a chat while i'm back in uk if you have time please.

 

You've certainly missed the points where I've given sound advice and stated it doesn't have to cost a fortune. That said, costs are pro-rata to the property in question. If you live on a farm or in a big house and want to do the best where security is concerned, you fit a perimeter warning system as a first line of defence.

We are indeed giving different opinions, mine is cost effective and yours is cost, just like the OP's present inadequate set-up.

 

If I had to live with that kind of " security " id top myself

 

If the intruder was "here to get you" why did nothing else happen besides he ran off ?
sounds like the wrong property, not good for the neighbours, but across fields in the dark I bet its easy to get the wrong property.

 

So tell us how this works ,say he's sitting on a 1000 acre farm , how much wire will this entail and time taken to install

Still I guess when someone snips the wire he will be wide awake by then wondering where the threat is coming from

 

Sure, I occasionally log in nowadays but I should pick IMs up. I am only householder though that takes security seriously. I am fortunate to have time to research things thoroughly and I view wasting money as the work of the devil. Value for money is key in every purchase in life and certainly doesn't mean expensive is right, on the contrary in a large number of cases.

The site link I gave you has all you want to have yourself an invisible wall surrounding your property at a cost far cheaper than potential medical expenses or even a funeral.

 

Look up humour.

 

Can he use a mobile yet? If not, that's your first step.

 

Or you don't consider security important. You don't have to live like that, you choose to.

Mind you, from a personal security angle you wouldn't be a great loss and from a possessions angle I guess not many people would want a can of fuel, rope, a flare and half a loaf of bread.