Neil Smalley

Ptholt

Go back a week in the general forum

SiCotty

I would say the biggest problem is that most of the Asylum seekers are left to their own devices by the Government so become easy targets for exploitation. After all the stolen goods need to go somewhere. Would be far better to accept only a small number and provide them with the proper support then continuing to accept large numbers of then and then just dumping them in to the community with no support.

Potentially the solution is to lock them up as much for their own protection. Once they have a valid case then give them the support to integrate within the community. This does not mean give them some vouchers and a grotty council house that nobody wants anyway and leave them to it. Need something like the parole service but for Asylum seekers.

I do believe that some have valid claims but a lot of them just want to sponge off the UK taxpayer and have no intention of contributing to society.

But is it right to potentially destory a rural community just so the Government can forget about the problem for another two years as they may or may not be in power by then.

Si

Phill

Sicotty,
Some good ideas there really, control is what is needed and anyway thats comes about is good, espcially if everybody gets what they need.

Interesting point on the putting it under the carpet until their out of power !!!

This thread could go on for ever, (but yet i'm starngely drawn !!)

Phill

Phill

Ray_li

I not happy, my Eurotunnel shares has gone poo poo.

stiscooby

I can understand these people wanting to have a better life and all that but why should we take them?
They pass through a few countries to get to us so why does no one else take them?? Because they know they will get moved on, come to us and we will give them everything, house, medical care and probably a job somewhere down the line the way they are going.

How come with all the people who are waiting for medical treatment, homeless & jobless in this country noting seems to be done to help them yet they can spend thousands of pounds build new "Centres" (which will probably get burnt down) for these people when they could spend it on other things such as Schools and the Health Service.

I know what they could do to stop this.....................Put them back in the bloody rubber dingy they probably came over in and send them on their way!

scooby nutter

We should sort out our own people first,
I dont care what the F%$£ happend to them,what would happen if we all set off invading their countries looking for "Benefits,Free housing,untaxed illegal work"??

We build these centres,only for the ungrateful C***s to burn the Fu**&^g things down!!
Send em back!

FACT according to one of Britains leading Population Experts.
In just 60 years time the Native British people will be a MINORITY in their own land ,thanks to mass immigration and Asylum Seeking

Neil Smalley

Define Native british people!

Do you mean Celts? Or Anglo Saxons, or people descended from the Normans, people from 'the colonies' who regard themselves as British and some even still live under British rule?

See? No such thing as a native Briton. We're all immigrants at some point in our history.


[Edited by Neil Smalley - 5/14/2002 6:50:19 PM]

Tiggs

the normans didnt invade to get free housing though.

Clarebabes

Davyboy and I have differing views on this issue, which can get interesting

On the way back from the Ring a couple of weekend's ago, we saw a few asylum seekers near the Tunnel, and this brought the differences up.

The way I see it, there are alot of people from less fortunate countries that see the UK as a free meal ticket. We put them in housing which most of us would see as bad, but it is better than they have where they come from. We give them food, health service and mobile phones!

I understand what davyboy says, but I don't think it is likely that we will get in that situation in the UK. That is unless we have a war from within - look at Bradford. I went to university in Bradford and the racial hatred in emmense. I would like to point out at this stage that it is not coming from where you would imagine, but I don't suppose it is called racism if the majority are the ones being hated.

I really understand where Si is coming from. I too would not like it to be built on my doorstep. We should have a tougher system, we are seen as an easy target, that is surely why they are coming here!

I am not in favour of a **** style regime BTW, just saying we should be tougher!!

Hos

iTrader: (1)

I think what people are trying to say is , they don't want it near them.

rr_ww

MY OPINION FOLLOWS YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE YOUR PEROGATIVE (sp?)

Send all bogus Aslyum Seekers back to where ever the **** they came from. If there coaught stealing SEND THEM BACK if there caught be anti social SEND THEM BACK If they burn down the centres we pay for SEND THEM BACK etc etc etc

I have had it up to Fing here with these ***** . This is why I vote BNP of NF from now on. With a stronger government who was prepared to stand up for the people that voted them in. we would be 1,000,000 times better off (This applies to everything not just asylum) England is the best country in the WORLD. Lets keep it that way!!!

Richard

Thanks for reading.

Flame on, Baby!

Luke

Close the doors and let France deal with them.

But what pisses me off if all the Yobs I hear saying How these " Asylum seekers come over here and get it all for free"....

Then I ask if THEY have/had or will ever have a job????

NO. There are loads of British scum that have fed of this country for years. Working and claiming. Not paying taxes. Expecting to have as many kids as they want, then not looking after them and making them go to school etc etc .And the Goverment pays for them.

They are just as much as a problem as most of the refugees. We need to get real about the situation. Sure there are those that realy need help. But most dont.

If it carries on I would expect there to be major social and racial problems in the next 10 years. Watch them take on the Drug gangs in this country,also prostitution... They will and it will end up getting Dirty...

Clarebabes

Of course we don't want it near us, but then again, why does it need to be near anyone??

If we weren't such as soft-touch, then there wouldn't be a problem.

Always makes me laugh when I see the immigration officers on that Airport programme. They are deporting people one at a time from our airports, while 100s of people every day are coming in through our seaports!

chiark

Do you really believe asylum seekers come here to sponge? Surely there's easier ways to live than an occasional desparate effort to get into the country risking life and limb?

If you do, fine. I guess there is a percentage that do. But in my mind, that percentage is tiny.

People come to Britain because in their mind it's a land of the free, a land of opportunity - whereas where they've left is not. Cynicism of this view is probably reserved for those who've been here a while

But why is it that a lot of the lesser paid jobs end up being filled by people coming in through the asylum system? The same jobs that "British people" don't want because they'd rather sit and pick their ***** and sign on whilst enjoying 24/7 sky digital? Could it be because they want to make something of themselves and are prepared to work for it? A bit like the "American Dream" only the "British Dream"?

Why is it that teachers enjoy teaching kids coming in through the system? Could it be because these kids want to learn - some have never had the opportunity to better themselves? Could it be because they don't play up like hell and say "you can't touch me, you can't do nuffink about it"?

If you think problems in Britain are down to asylum seekers, I'd have to disagree. It's apathy, laziness and the endemic attitude of cynicism that gets me about this country.

In reality, if a centre opened up down the road from me then I'd have doubts. And yes, the burning down of a centre wasn't exactly "good press". But these people are desperate in some cases - and I'd like to think they're not desperate to come in here so they could just sign on. Perhaps I'm a hopeless idealist, but I truly believe that they want to better themselves.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames as a naive idealist.

chiark

...and I have to agree with Luke's post too.

Clarebabes

I don't think it was ever said that all of the problems in this country are down to asulym seekers! It is adding to the already failing sytem we have here.

[Edited by Clarebabes - 5/14/2002 7:30:37 PM]

scooby nutter

rr ww,
thats what i do .Vote BNP,better policies than all these bum bandits currently in power

SiCotty

Hos the main point is these are rural locations that will not be able to cope with such a large number of people. Imagine over 10 buses full of people turning up in a small Town with nothing to do and no way of earning any money. Putting large groups of people in one location is always a recipe for disaster. The Government claim that putting them into the Cities has not worked. This is because they just dump them into an already deprived area with no support. This in turn causes resentment and anger with the people who already live there as they feel like they are being dumped on from a great height.

We should have stricter controls on who can get into the county and treat the people with a proper claim to Asylum with a little more thought. I do believe most of them want a fresh start and want to contribute to the community.

All it takes is a small group of people who are pissed off with the way they are being treated to turn a once quiet housing estate into a no go area. What can the police do they are already under funded and underpaid (apart from the traffic section).

Si

MichelleWRX1994

chiark, I sometimes struggle to put into words what I wish to say, you have voiced what my opinion is very clearly.

The only thing I would add is that those fake asylum seekers that are there to exploit Britain are to be deported.

All other genuine cases, I have absolutely no problem with.

SiCotty

Luke has a very valid point. If this is not dealt with soon we will have a very big problem. Voting for the far right will not solve anything but a lot of people have become so fed up with the current way the Labour and Conservative politicians constantly bull**** about how they are going to improve things and then never deliver. People see the far right as something new, something to be very worried about and not pushed under the carpet and ignored.

Politicians have become so used to bull**** that they don't know how to tell the truth or answer a straight question. All they can see is the next election.

Another thing is that if successful they will be building more, so if you have an MOD base near you then this could well happen in your back yard. But how will they class them as a success?

Si

3times

There are two types of people illegally entering our country , asylum seekers and refugees. I believe that asylum seekers are just after an easier life whereas refugees are people that are genuinally being persecuted, or under threat of, in their own country. I have no problem with the latter.

If you look at the areas that large amounts of these immigrants have been housed there has generally been an increase in crime.

What pi##e# me off is that they get away with things that other peeople do not.

In the road where my mother lives there is one family,
they have been found with stolen goods in the house - no action
they are continually racing up and down the road in cars with no tax (i would imagine that no insurance or mot either but cannot prove this, when reported the local council are reluctant to do anything because they are afraid of being branded racist.

I was talking to a teacher recently who informed me that a lot of the immigrants in the classes he teaches carry knives, if confronted they pull the knife and threaten the person who confronts them, this includes teachers who want to take the knives off of them - polizi are not interested.

I am unsure of the exact law regarding asylum seeking but am under the impression that the first country that they set foot in has an obligation to take them in and assess the case. As per usual France take no notice whatsoever of this and send them on their way to us. Unless they arrive by boat or plane we should not have to take any.

unfortunatley that **** Blair and his cronies are too bothered about sucking up to the America and making sure that they have a cosy future (ie large pension) to do anything about it.

I could go on for ages but someone else probably needs a rant.

one more thing, those like myself that live in areas that a more effected than others may tend to have stronger opinions. But remember they are only opinions, of which we are all entitled.

SiCotty

Just watched the news on SKY, I don't know if this is true or not but it was implied that these people are above the law within the UK and cannot be prosecuted. The reason being that we cannot put them in prison and it's too much hard work to deport them.

I find this aspect the most frightening of them all. This means that they can literally have the run of the town/village with the police powerless to do anything except put them in the cells for a day or two.

Just been thinking and I have two options sell up or stick with it. On both counts though I think I've been well and truly F***** good and proper.

Oh well, will be old news by tomorrow

Si

uncle buck

time to emigrate...

I'm seeking asylum from the asylum seekers... and the Brit scum too

Martyn Tonks

Going back to the rural location, I happen to work on Throckmorton airfield, yes it has been used as a dumping ground for foot and mouth carcasses, there is also a huge waste landfill site against the perimeter fence, so they may need the health centre.

The main problem is with location the nearest corner shop is about 4 MILES AWAY, the nearest main town Evesham is about 6 miles away, apart from a few houses on the perimeter of the airfield there is nothing but open space, there is not even a bus service that runs past the airfield. These people all 750 of them will be bored witless, perhaps that is how we get them to return to their own country bore them stupid.

There are 2 or 3 businesses on the airfield that have high value products, now without accusing these people of any wrong doing, but through boredem they will become inquisitive, start wandering around looking for things to interest them, after all apparently the rise in crime in inner city areas is supposedly poverty and boredem. Does this not apply to rural areas or are they immune from it becasue it is a rural area. I for one will move them on from my business premises, and certainly up my security measures if the plan goes ahead.

cement man

Not wishing to upset our NI friends but i do believe there are now a number of empty H blocks with all the comforts of home that could be put to a good use.I may be wrong but i'm sure your tell me if i am but I haven't seen to many A/s over there and we are all part of this GREAT BRITAIN.
Someone posted that they are employed doing lower paid jobs that we Brits don't want to do, WHERE! most foreign nationals working here are invited in,they did'nt sneak in on a train.

PS They don't need jobs as they are expert pickpockets and corner shop blaggers.IMHO.

SD

Watched the news and what I find fascinating is the shots of them at the channel tunnel. After all, there we have pictures of 20 or 30 young men trying to get from a 'safe country' (ie France) to the UK. So what's going on there then? They won't be at risk from 'persecution' in France, like their original country of origin.

My sister in law also raised a good point last night. Always when these scenes are shown on TV it's always young men, aged around 20-30 who are scene trying to storm into the channel tunnel. Surely the first people to be escaping 'persection' would be the most vulnerable in their society ie: women and children?

Finally, the world is not perfect. As much as it would be nice to we cannot literally open up the borders and have every single person who wants a better life into the country. There are billions of people in such a situation in the world. We're short on housing and have massive problems with our social services with only @60 million people. Yes there is a case for genuine refugees, and I don't have an issue with it. But I'm very very concerned for the reasons mentioned above.

Simon - NOT a racist.

Chris L

Interesting thread this. When I lived in Sutton they opened an asylum centre nearby in an old TA barracks - there were a lot of problems and it wasn't the most welcome thing people wanted to see. They are now proposing another one in the Stanstead area which, although not close to me persoanlly, I can see why many people wouldn't want it (especially those in small rural communities).

The population in this country is increasing at the rate of 1 million every five years at the current time (assuming current immigration / emmigration rates are maintained) - we simply cannot support this. This is not being racist or politically incorrect - it's a fact.

What really annoys me is the reason that the vast majority of these people want to come here - we are a soft touch. We are known as 'Eldorado' - the land of gold (or in more practical terms - the land of free money) - that is not healthy. Unfortunatly in the current climate, anyone who stands up and says this gets branded a racist or 'right wing'

The political changes that have been seen in Austria, France, Holland (about the most laid back and tolerant country you could name!!), Germany, Italy and many others are very easy to understand. This is not just our problem - but a problem for the whole of Europe. Governments would be wise to listen to what the voters are saying and tackle the problem before it becomes even more serious.

Chris

chiark

Whatever people think, the best place for asylum seekers isn't in the middle of nowhere with no facilities and no chance for integration. Seeing the news last night does make me wonder what on earth the powers that be were thinking when they came up with this stunningly stupid plan.

Interesting debate this. There's some really good points being made on both sides.

Phill

Chairk & Michelle I'm with you.....

The spongers are only a tiny percentage, control is what is needed we need to make sure that one they are not above the law and have to live by the same rules we all do. I like the idea of deportation for any major / repeat offenders it may act as deterant. Sicotty (& others) I totaly agree with you on the numbers in one place, 750 into a vilage of 100+ is asking for trouble and alot more thought needs to be out into how these people are dispersed in the UK or else then indeed any sites will be a magnet for trouble and most of the propositions i heard last night were just plain stupid, they need to have the chance to find work and fit in, if you out number the locals by 7-1 then you don't fit in..you take over !

This thread is interesting and there is wide range of views on the matter, however i don't feel voting for any political party will have any effect an independant commity of UK citizens both local to the project's and otherwise to actively pursue the rights of everybody involved or else any thing you come up with has only 5yrs before somebody comes and changes it !

Thats me for now,

Phill

Dream Weaver

It is not the fact that the asylum seekers can come here, claim asylum and may cause trouble or commit crimes. As said they are probably no more likely to do this than most.

However, there is far too much PC again in this thread and the biggest thing that p1sses me off is the fact that as a nation Britain are the biggest bunch of soft **** wusses in the world. Tony Blair and his labour governemnt say 'yes 'to everything for asylum seekers et al, and no to the average man like me. They get helath care on tap, and we have to wait in ER for 4 hours for a broken arm (FACT as it happened to us with the mother in law last week).

The medical provision is ridiculous, building centres for them is ludicrous and IMHO there is only one solution. We should stop all benefits and the possibility of claiming asylum, and if necessary should use force in Calais/Dover to stop this influx. If they had nothing to come here for then they wouldn't come.

It is a fair point to say they are willing to work/learn etc but we need to sort our own country out. There are people here already that would like to learn but cant afford it.

I think we should email Tony Blair and ask him why he is such a soft b4stard when it comes to decisions - and where is our voice!!

All IMHO - have a good day

DW