The Stupid Hunts were out in Force Today!
27 December 2012, 06:29 PM
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This is ultimately such a minor issue, even that **** Blair admitted his Government should have never started on it.
This is more about the envy culture we have going on here, where people resent those who have more than they do. The poor old fox is a gift to these people.
Too many people with chips on their shoulders round here.
Hare coursing is no different, except the plebs do that rather than the toffs. Let's not bother with that then.
Same again with the badgers.
The fox is only coincidental to what's really going on here.
This is more about the envy culture we have going on here, where people resent those who have more than they do. The poor old fox is a gift to these people.
Too many people with chips on their shoulders round here.
Hare coursing is no different, except the plebs do that rather than the toffs. Let's not bother with that then.
Same again with the badgers.
The fox is only coincidental to what's really going on here.
27 December 2012, 06:56 PM
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fox hunting has been seen as a sport, has it not, an enjoyable passtime carrid out by humans, not for food or necessaty, but purely for "fun". hunting the animals scent with dogs and then its torn apart by them. and its to be considered as a sport?
now hunting a fox on foot as a pest with a gun and shooting it stone dead -would be sport/pest control.
anything which leads to a prologned and painful/brutal death i wouldnt consider sporting activity,
now inhumane farming has its horrendous flaws, but the end game isnt done for "a laugh" its done for food - although it could easily be argued there are better ways to do it?
imo killing for food should be swift (as painkess as possibel), anyhting dragging out death for the sake of human enjoyment seems a bit not quite right, just imo
now hunting a fox on foot as a pest with a gun and shooting it stone dead -would be sport/pest control.
anything which leads to a prologned and painful/brutal death i wouldnt consider sporting activity,
now inhumane farming has its horrendous flaws, but the end game isnt done for "a laugh" its done for food - although it could easily be argued there are better ways to do it?
imo killing for food should be swift (as painkess as possibel), anyhting dragging out death for the sake of human enjoyment seems a bit not quite right, just imo
27 December 2012, 07:20 PM
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27 December 2012, 08:03 PM
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Anyone fancy a weekend at my place - wild boar, rabbits, foxes, pheasants, deer, ducks, badgers and pretty much anything else you can find to shoot all in total legality - bonus points will be issued for shooting any of the French locals wandering around my land as well.
27 December 2012, 08:14 PM
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This subject has to be the most ill informed newspaper fillers of all.
Answer these questions;
Name a quicker method of removing a fox.
Have any of you seen what a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, often just for fun?
Many of those involved in it are as working class as you can get.
It's only because city folk make the majority of the population yet claim to be so well informed that they feel it essential to feel shocked at something that kills a tiny number of animals.
Answer these questions;
Name a quicker method of removing a fox.
Have any of you seen what a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, often just for fun?
Many of those involved in it are as working class as you can get.
It's only because city folk make the majority of the population yet claim to be so well informed that they feel it essential to feel shocked at something that kills a tiny number of animals.
27 December 2012, 08:42 PM
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This subject has to be the most ill informed newspaper fillers of all.
Answer these questions;
Name a quicker method of removing a fox.
Have any of you seen what a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, often just for fun?
Many of those involved in it are as working class as you can get.
It's only because city folk make the majority of the population yet claim to be so well informed that they feel it essential to feel shocked at something that kills a tiny number of animals.
Answer these questions;
Name a quicker method of removing a fox.
Have any of you seen what a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, often just for fun?
Many of those involved in it are as working class as you can get.
It's only because city folk make the majority of the population yet claim to be so well informed that they feel it essential to feel shocked at something that kills a tiny number of animals.
now if your telling me they are ALL including everysingle 1, shot dead on the spot before any packs attack then fair enough - just show me that evidence
27 December 2012, 09:01 PM
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Pointless topic with total clueless people commenting on this issue who know nothing about foxes or the problems they cause. As a farmer (my Father and I), we own a farm and have 17,000 free range chickens and we know exactly what foxes are capable of, which is why I support the hunt.
Also, another fantastic statement brought up by a member about how other farm animals and chickens are brought up and live in barbaric conditions...? Very clueless people here talking about this subject. I think you have been brain washed by a very small minor of these undercover footage videos filmed by activists that try to show farming in a bad light.
Also, another fantastic statement brought up by a member about how other farm animals and chickens are brought up and live in barbaric conditions...? Very clueless people here talking about this subject. I think you have been brain washed by a very small minor of these undercover footage videos filmed by activists that try to show farming in a bad light.
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27 December 2012, 09:28 PM
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I'm not against culling. I'm against hunting with dogs for recreation.
I don't care whether its some toff on horseback or a working class lad from pontefract in his W plate forester. Taking pleasure out of the death of an animal is, in my opinion, wrong.
I don't care whether its some toff on horseback or a working class lad from pontefract in his W plate forester. Taking pleasure out of the death of an animal is, in my opinion, wrong.
27 December 2012, 09:30 PM
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They are free range chickens for free range egg production, not meat. Sorry I should have made that clear because chickens for meat and chickens for egg are different systems.
I just automatically assume that when someone asks me about chickens, I assume they are talking about egg.
I just automatically assume that when someone asks me about chickens, I assume they are talking about egg.
27 December 2012, 09:32 PM
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I was called to a free range unit,25,000 birds,and as you know,you make a note of all the fatalities,well it turned out that he was close on 1500 missing
The place was full of fox's for a short time
27 December 2012, 09:37 PM
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We've been pretty lucky really because we've never had any major fox issues where we live, probably due to the hunting that goes on here
We get the odd fox once every couple years or so, but either me or my Father are soon out with the rifle.
We get the odd fox once every couple years or so, but either me or my Father are soon out with the rifle.
27 December 2012, 09:46 PM
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27 December 2012, 09:54 PM
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In not getting dragged into a long debate on this one, as I have done so with people before .all I will say is this,
Lack of education and people being Ill informed on the subject, along with pressure from "back benchers" on tony blairs back were the reasons hunting with hounds was banned in the first place. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox. Tony blair admitted in his book that banning hunting was the worst decision he had made in his time in parliament (or words to that affect).
People clearly aren't aware of the devastation and damage that a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, just or the sake of it. I have witnessed on many occasions the result of the foxes recklessness and bloodthirsty nature, the end result being literally dozens of chickens, lambs and ducks, that have suffered during the killing spree.
Now some of You lot suggest shooting is the most humane way. Well I'll tell you this. I have seen trained, experienced marksmen, who have shot foxes in the past, and "winged" them (I.e not killed) and the fox has ran for cover, made it, and has died a very slow and painful death. Humane? No I don't think so either. You can be the best shot in the world, and you cannot guarantee me or anyone else you are going to kill the fox.
So, what other options do we have??
Gassing. Where a said person locates the underground home or earth the fox has, blocks all the holes, and fills the place the place with poisonous gas. Again the fox dies a slow and painful death. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Snaring. Where a farmer lays wires and attaches them to fences of fence stakes in the ground , where he or she has found a 'run'( regular passing place of a fox). Very often this will result in a fox being caught in a noose around its leg, chest head or tail, for hours on end, until the farmer gets chance to check the snare in the morning (If he remembers, that is). Once again, the fox is waiting for imminent death, in pain, for hours on end again. Humane?? I don't think so either .
Poisoning. Leaving deadly poison near or around places a fox frequents on a daily basis, for it to eat and die a slow and painful death. The risk is also of other farm animals, dogs and birds eating and suffering the same. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Hunting. A fox is found out in the open (fern vbanks, Wood plantations, etc) a pack of hounds are laid onto the scent of the fox, dependant on weather conditions and scent conditions will dictate whether the hounds will actually hunt the fox at all. If consitions are right for the hounds, they will engage in a hunt where the fox has to be very cunning (as they are naturally) and fit (which they are naturally) to evade the hounds. If the fox is young, fit an clever, he will undoubdatbly evade the hounds. If the fox isn't, is old and unfit (9 times out of ten these are the ones that do damage to the poultry, lambs etc, due to being not fit enough to catch rabbits etc) he will be caught by the "lead hound". The " lead hound" will be the fittest of the pack, and will kill the fox with one clean , heavy bite to the back of the neck.
The remaining hounds will then catch up and engage on the result of the kill. This I does not mean the fox is "ripped apart alive" which so many people think.
So, at the end of the days huntig, the fixes that are found on that day, are either dead, or they are tired and aching. There Is no middle ground, no suffering or pain waiting for death to come. Humane? I'll let you decide.
The fact that you can still legally go out with two dogs, and hunt a fOx, flushed to guns, makes a complete mokery of the law that was passed. As said before, the ban has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox.
I find it funny that people seem to "forget " about the various attack urban fixes have made on small children, babies and pets in the cities. I have no doubt if it happened to you, you'd be the first on the phone to the council to remove the perpetrator,.
A said, I will not get drawn into the debate and argue with people back and fore, I haven't got the time and I really can't be arsd to educate people who don't want to be.
I have tried to lay down the facts as I know them, plead don't be ***** if my grammar or punctuation isn't spot on, this has all been done in a rush on an iPhone.
Peace out all.
R
Lack of education and people being Ill informed on the subject, along with pressure from "back benchers" on tony blairs back were the reasons hunting with hounds was banned in the first place. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox. Tony blair admitted in his book that banning hunting was the worst decision he had made in his time in parliament (or words to that affect).
People clearly aren't aware of the devastation and damage that a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, just or the sake of it. I have witnessed on many occasions the result of the foxes recklessness and bloodthirsty nature, the end result being literally dozens of chickens, lambs and ducks, that have suffered during the killing spree.
Now some of You lot suggest shooting is the most humane way. Well I'll tell you this. I have seen trained, experienced marksmen, who have shot foxes in the past, and "winged" them (I.e not killed) and the fox has ran for cover, made it, and has died a very slow and painful death. Humane? No I don't think so either. You can be the best shot in the world, and you cannot guarantee me or anyone else you are going to kill the fox.
So, what other options do we have??
Gassing. Where a said person locates the underground home or earth the fox has, blocks all the holes, and fills the place the place with poisonous gas. Again the fox dies a slow and painful death. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Snaring. Where a farmer lays wires and attaches them to fences of fence stakes in the ground , where he or she has found a 'run'( regular passing place of a fox). Very often this will result in a fox being caught in a noose around its leg, chest head or tail, for hours on end, until the farmer gets chance to check the snare in the morning (If he remembers, that is). Once again, the fox is waiting for imminent death, in pain, for hours on end again. Humane?? I don't think so either .
Poisoning. Leaving deadly poison near or around places a fox frequents on a daily basis, for it to eat and die a slow and painful death. The risk is also of other farm animals, dogs and birds eating and suffering the same. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Hunting. A fox is found out in the open (fern vbanks, Wood plantations, etc) a pack of hounds are laid onto the scent of the fox, dependant on weather conditions and scent conditions will dictate whether the hounds will actually hunt the fox at all. If consitions are right for the hounds, they will engage in a hunt where the fox has to be very cunning (as they are naturally) and fit (which they are naturally) to evade the hounds. If the fox is young, fit an clever, he will undoubdatbly evade the hounds. If the fox isn't, is old and unfit (9 times out of ten these are the ones that do damage to the poultry, lambs etc, due to being not fit enough to catch rabbits etc) he will be caught by the "lead hound". The " lead hound" will be the fittest of the pack, and will kill the fox with one clean , heavy bite to the back of the neck.
The remaining hounds will then catch up and engage on the result of the kill. This I does not mean the fox is "ripped apart alive" which so many people think.
So, at the end of the days huntig, the fixes that are found on that day, are either dead, or they are tired and aching. There Is no middle ground, no suffering or pain waiting for death to come. Humane? I'll let you decide.
The fact that you can still legally go out with two dogs, and hunt a fOx, flushed to guns, makes a complete mokery of the law that was passed. As said before, the ban has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox.
I find it funny that people seem to "forget " about the various attack urban fixes have made on small children, babies and pets in the cities. I have no doubt if it happened to you, you'd be the first on the phone to the council to remove the perpetrator,.
A said, I will not get drawn into the debate and argue with people back and fore, I haven't got the time and I really can't be arsd to educate people who don't want to be.
I have tried to lay down the facts as I know them, plead don't be ***** if my grammar or punctuation isn't spot on, this has all been done in a rush on an iPhone.
Peace out all.
R
27 December 2012, 09:57 PM
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I have a firearms certificate and legally allowed to shoot foxes for control on my land. If a fox is out in the field hunting/searching for chickens, it is very slow moving as it try's to stalk the bird, this makes them easy to shoot. A rifle can easily take a fox out accurately at 150 yards. Anything over and my aim isn't too good and I'll miss.
27 December 2012, 10:01 PM
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Pardon? What do you mean I can't shoot them? I have a firearms certificate and legally allowed to shoot foxes for control on my land. If a fox is out in the field hunting/searching for chickens, it is very slow moving as it try's to stalk the bird, this makes them easy to shoot. A rifle can easily take a fox out accurately at 150 yards. Anything over and my aim isn't too good and I'll miss.
I have a firearms certificate and legally allowed to shoot foxes for control on my land. If a fox is out in the field hunting/searching for chickens, it is very slow moving as it try's to stalk the bird, this makes them easy to shoot. A rifle can easily take a fox out accurately at 150 yards. Anything over and my aim isn't too good and I'll miss.