The Stupid Hunts were out in Force Today!
27 December 2012, 10:07 PM
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As for the rest of your post you say you can't be bothered to argue as your word id the law (or words to that effect) hence I shall just say I think you are blimkered and wrong and leave it at that!
27 December 2012, 10:28 PM
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Also, another fantastic statement brought up by a member about how other farm animals and chickens are brought up and live in barbaric conditions...? Very clueless people here talking about this subject. I think you have been brain washed by a very small minor of these undercover footage videos filmed by activists that try to show farming in a bad light.
27 December 2012, 10:40 PM
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Seriously is he smoking crack or something?
27 December 2012, 10:49 PM
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Battery farming chickens in cages is banned here in the UK and in Europe since January. All chicken farmers have spent millions converting or selling off their battery units in order to fund new free range systems. We knew about this over 5 years ago.
27 December 2012, 10:54 PM
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With all the injustice going on around the world and the poverty in this county, starving kids in our cities..... and your all bitching on about ****ing foxes!!!
Shut your mouths, get up out your armchair, get out there, and do some voluntary work in your community!
Shut your mouths, get up out your armchair, get out there, and do some voluntary work in your community!
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28 December 2012, 12:47 AM
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In not getting dragged into a long debate on this one, as I have done so with people before .all I will say is this,
Lack of education and people being Ill informed on the subject, along with pressure from "back benchers" on tony blairs back were the reasons hunting with hounds was banned in the first place. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox. Tony blair admitted in his book that banning hunting was the worst decision he had made in his time in parliament (or words to that affect).
People clearly aren't aware of the devastation and damage that a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, just or the sake of it. I have witnessed on many occasions the result of the foxes recklessness and bloodthirsty nature, the end result being literally dozens of chickens, lambs and ducks, that have suffered during the killing spree.
Now some of You lot suggest shooting is the most humane way. Well I'll tell you this. I have seen trained, experienced marksmen, who have shot foxes in the past, and "winged" them (I.e not killed) and the fox has ran for cover, made it, and has died a very slow and painful death. Humane? No I don't think so either. You can be the best shot in the world, and you cannot guarantee me or anyone else you are going to kill the fox.
So, what other options do we have??
Gassing. Where a said person locates the underground home or earth the fox has, blocks all the holes, and fills the place the place with poisonous gas. Again the fox dies a slow and painful death. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Snaring. Where a farmer lays wires and attaches them to fences of fence stakes in the ground , where he or she has found a 'run'( regular passing place of a fox). Very often this will result in a fox being caught in a noose around its leg, chest head or tail, for hours on end, until the farmer gets chance to check the snare in the morning (If he remembers, that is). Once again, the fox is waiting for imminent death, in pain, for hours on end again. Humane?? I don't think so either .
Poisoning. Leaving deadly poison near or around places a fox frequents on a daily basis, for it to eat and die a slow and painful death. The risk is also of other farm animals, dogs and birds eating and suffering the same. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Hunting. A fox is found out in the open (fern vbanks, Wood plantations, etc) a pack of hounds are laid onto the scent of the fox, dependant on weather conditions and scent conditions will dictate whether the hounds will actually hunt the fox at all. If consitions are right for the hounds, they will engage in a hunt where the fox has to be very cunning (as they are naturally) and fit (which they are naturally) to evade the hounds. If the fox is young, fit an clever, he will undoubdatbly evade the hounds. If the fox isn't, is old and unfit (9 times out of ten these are the ones that do damage to the poultry, lambs etc, due to being not fit enough to catch rabbits etc) he will be caught by the "lead hound". The " lead hound" will be the fittest of the pack, and will kill the fox with one clean , heavy bite to the back of the neck.
The remaining hounds will then catch up and engage on the result of the kill. This I does not mean the fox is "ripped apart alive" which so many people think.
So, at the end of the days huntig, the fixes that are found on that day, are either dead, or they are tired and aching. There Is no middle ground, no suffering or pain waiting for death to come. Humane? I'll let you decide.
The fact that you can still legally go out with two dogs, and hunt a fOx, flushed to guns, makes a complete mokery of the law that was passed. As said before, the ban has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox.
I find it funny that people seem to "forget " about the various attack urban fixes have made on small children, babies and pets in the cities. I have no doubt if it happened to you, you'd be the first on the phone to the council to remove the perpetrator,.
A said, I will not get drawn into the debate and argue with people back and fore, I haven't got the time and I really can't be arsd to educate people who don't want to be.
I have tried to lay down the facts as I know them, plead don't be ***** if my grammar or punctuation isn't spot on, this has all been done in a rush on an iPhone.
Peace out all.
R
Lack of education and people being Ill informed on the subject, along with pressure from "back benchers" on tony blairs back were the reasons hunting with hounds was banned in the first place. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox. Tony blair admitted in his book that banning hunting was the worst decision he had made in his time in parliament (or words to that affect).
People clearly aren't aware of the devastation and damage that a fox can do to a farmers livelihood, just or the sake of it. I have witnessed on many occasions the result of the foxes recklessness and bloodthirsty nature, the end result being literally dozens of chickens, lambs and ducks, that have suffered during the killing spree.
Now some of You lot suggest shooting is the most humane way. Well I'll tell you this. I have seen trained, experienced marksmen, who have shot foxes in the past, and "winged" them (I.e not killed) and the fox has ran for cover, made it, and has died a very slow and painful death. Humane? No I don't think so either. You can be the best shot in the world, and you cannot guarantee me or anyone else you are going to kill the fox.
So, what other options do we have??
Gassing. Where a said person locates the underground home or earth the fox has, blocks all the holes, and fills the place the place with poisonous gas. Again the fox dies a slow and painful death. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Snaring. Where a farmer lays wires and attaches them to fences of fence stakes in the ground , where he or she has found a 'run'( regular passing place of a fox). Very often this will result in a fox being caught in a noose around its leg, chest head or tail, for hours on end, until the farmer gets chance to check the snare in the morning (If he remembers, that is). Once again, the fox is waiting for imminent death, in pain, for hours on end again. Humane?? I don't think so either .
Poisoning. Leaving deadly poison near or around places a fox frequents on a daily basis, for it to eat and die a slow and painful death. The risk is also of other farm animals, dogs and birds eating and suffering the same. Humane?? I don't think so either.
Hunting. A fox is found out in the open (fern vbanks, Wood plantations, etc) a pack of hounds are laid onto the scent of the fox, dependant on weather conditions and scent conditions will dictate whether the hounds will actually hunt the fox at all. If consitions are right for the hounds, they will engage in a hunt where the fox has to be very cunning (as they are naturally) and fit (which they are naturally) to evade the hounds. If the fox is young, fit an clever, he will undoubdatbly evade the hounds. If the fox isn't, is old and unfit (9 times out of ten these are the ones that do damage to the poultry, lambs etc, due to being not fit enough to catch rabbits etc) he will be caught by the "lead hound". The " lead hound" will be the fittest of the pack, and will kill the fox with one clean , heavy bite to the back of the neck.
The remaining hounds will then catch up and engage on the result of the kill. This I does not mean the fox is "ripped apart alive" which so many people think.
So, at the end of the days huntig, the fixes that are found on that day, are either dead, or they are tired and aching. There Is no middle ground, no suffering or pain waiting for death to come. Humane? I'll let you decide.
The fact that you can still legally go out with two dogs, and hunt a fOx, flushed to guns, makes a complete mokery of the law that was passed. As said before, the ban has nothing to do with the welfare of the fox.
I find it funny that people seem to "forget " about the various attack urban fixes have made on small children, babies and pets in the cities. I have no doubt if it happened to you, you'd be the first on the phone to the council to remove the perpetrator,.
A said, I will not get drawn into the debate and argue with people back and fore, I haven't got the time and I really can't be arsd to educate people who don't want to be.
I have tried to lay down the facts as I know them, plead don't be ***** if my grammar or punctuation isn't spot on, this has all been done in a rush on an iPhone.
Peace out all.
R
No they don't.
Just had this conversation with a local farmer whose land I use and he said whilst he loses his chickens and geese to foxes there is no way on earth he would ever want to see a hunt on his land to rid him of the fox issue. He understands that the fox is doing what is natural to it even though it is incredibly destructive and damaging to the farmer. There are other methods preferred such as shooting or even trapping (alive) and relocating. Hunting with dogs is just not an acceptable solution for a lot of farmers.
As for hunting I have nothing against it when it is one on one and what is being killed is for food. I hunt with a hawk (rabbits and pheasant) and it is one creature against another which is fair game in my book and being his first year his prey more often than not escapes him untouched. The first rule you maintain is that no prey item suffers and you get in on a catch immediately and dispatch it humanely by breaking it's neck, it's instant. It is also done to provide the food for my hawk and so nothing is ever killed for the sake of killing it, unlike the shooters who also share permission on the farms I hunt on and leave blown to pieces rabbit carcasses laying all over the place and putting them down the rabbit warrens. Just sickening.
Hunting foxes with dogs is pure cruelty, it doesn't even come under the category of sport. Even if the fox makes it to cover it gets dug out and thrown to the dogs, where the **** is the sporting chance in that? As for the claim above one dog kills the fox before the others get it try pulling the other one, have you missed all the video evidence that has been shown over the years where foxes are dug out and then thrown to a baying pack of dogs who rip it to pieces whilst alive? Do you really want me to start posting youtube videos of fox hunt behaviour and dogs killing the fox once caught?
The fox is not hunted for food and it is not one on one. It is done for enjoyment and the lust for blood of an animal that has no chance of survival when hunted to exhaustion by large numbers of dogs and idiots on horse back.
Oh and don't even get me started on the road safety issues where the dogs are allowed to run across public roads and these idiots on horse back think they have the authority to block traffic and do as they like. I've encountered that behaviour where I nearly run over a pack of hounds running around a bend on a country road towards me with no warning and it's a disgrace that the police do not arrest those responsible for obstructing a public road and causing danger to other road users.
28 December 2012, 06:59 AM
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I do laugh when the pro fox hunters come out assuming that all farmers welcome fox hunting to get rid of the destructive fox.
No they don't.
Just had this conversation with a local farmer whose land I use and he said whilst he loses his chickens and geese to foxes there is no way on earth he would ever want to see a hunt on his land to rid him of the fox issue. He understands that the fox is doing what is natural to it even though it is incredibly destructive and damaging to the framer. There are other methods preferred such as shooting or even trapping (alive) and relocating. Hunting with dogs is just not an acceptable solution for a lot of farmers.
As for hunting I have nothing against it when it is one on one and what is being killed is for food. I hunt with a hawk (rabbits and pheasant) and it is one creature against another which is fair game in my book and being his first year his prey more often than not escapes him untouched. The first rule you maintain is that no prey item suffers and you get in on a catch immediately and dispatch it humanely by breaking it's neck, it's instant. It is also done to provide the food for my hawk and so nothing is ever killed for the sake of killing it, unlike the shooters who also share permission on the farms I hunt on and leave blown to pieces rabbit carcasses laying all over the place and putting them down the rabbit warrens. Just sickening.
Hunting foxes with dogs is pure cruelty, it doesn't even come under the category of sport. Even if the fox makes it to cover it gets dug out and thrown to the dogs, where the **** is the sporting chance in that? As for the claim above one dog kills the fox before the others get it try pulling the other one, have you missed all the video evidence that has been shown over the years where foxes are dug out and then thrown to a baying pack of dogs who rip it to pieces whilst alive? Do you really want me to start posting youtube videos of fox hunt behaviour and dogs killing the fox once caught?
The fox is not hunted for food and it is not one on one. It is done for enjoyment and the lust for blood of an animal that has no chance of survival when hunted to exhaustion by large numbers of dogs and idiots on horse back.
Oh and don't even get me started on the road safety issues where the dogs are allowed to run across public roads and these idiots on horse back think they have the authority to block traffic and do as they like. I've encountered that behaviour where I nearly run over a pack of hounds running around a bend on a country road towards me with no warning and it's a disgrace that the police do not arrest those responsible for obstructing a public road and causing danger to other road users.
No they don't.
Just had this conversation with a local farmer whose land I use and he said whilst he loses his chickens and geese to foxes there is no way on earth he would ever want to see a hunt on his land to rid him of the fox issue. He understands that the fox is doing what is natural to it even though it is incredibly destructive and damaging to the framer. There are other methods preferred such as shooting or even trapping (alive) and relocating. Hunting with dogs is just not an acceptable solution for a lot of farmers.
As for hunting I have nothing against it when it is one on one and what is being killed is for food. I hunt with a hawk (rabbits and pheasant) and it is one creature against another which is fair game in my book and being his first year his prey more often than not escapes him untouched. The first rule you maintain is that no prey item suffers and you get in on a catch immediately and dispatch it humanely by breaking it's neck, it's instant. It is also done to provide the food for my hawk and so nothing is ever killed for the sake of killing it, unlike the shooters who also share permission on the farms I hunt on and leave blown to pieces rabbit carcasses laying all over the place and putting them down the rabbit warrens. Just sickening.
Hunting foxes with dogs is pure cruelty, it doesn't even come under the category of sport. Even if the fox makes it to cover it gets dug out and thrown to the dogs, where the **** is the sporting chance in that? As for the claim above one dog kills the fox before the others get it try pulling the other one, have you missed all the video evidence that has been shown over the years where foxes are dug out and then thrown to a baying pack of dogs who rip it to pieces whilst alive? Do you really want me to start posting youtube videos of fox hunt behaviour and dogs killing the fox once caught?
The fox is not hunted for food and it is not one on one. It is done for enjoyment and the lust for blood of an animal that has no chance of survival when hunted to exhaustion by large numbers of dogs and idiots on horse back.
Oh and don't even get me started on the road safety issues where the dogs are allowed to run across public roads and these idiots on horse back think they have the authority to block traffic and do as they like. I've encountered that behaviour where I nearly run over a pack of hounds running around a bend on a country road towards me with no warning and it's a disgrace that the police do not arrest those responsible for obstructing a public road and causing danger to other road users.
28 December 2012, 08:33 AM
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I'm happy with everything you've written execpt this bit. That has been quoted so many times, but to be honest, I suspect is complete bollocks.
28 December 2012, 08:58 AM
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28 December 2012, 09:44 AM
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Personally I only buy my eggs from a local free range farm where they are fresher, bigger and cheaper than you can get in a supermarket though they are sometimes covered in **** and feathers.
28 December 2012, 10:19 AM
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28 December 2012, 10:38 AM
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5 years?? The EU directive came in in 1999 but gave until Jan 2012 for farmers to change from battery to what they now call "enriched cages" which is still a cage nonetheless.
Personally I only buy my eggs from a local free range farm where they are fresher, bigger and cheaper than you can get in a supermarket though they are sometimes covered in **** and feathers.
Personally I only buy my eggs from a local free range farm where they are fresher, bigger and cheaper than you can get in a supermarket though they are sometimes covered in **** and feathers.
I am fully aware that the new type of cages are "enriched cages" and I agree that obviously this is still farming in cages, albeit with more room for the birds with scratch pans and perches, etc. Saying this, I still think that the public should buy free range and avoid these enriched cages, even though they are a lot better than the now illegal battery cages.
Edit: Found my thread https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...an-debate.html
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fox hunting is for arseholes with nothing better to do than terrorize small animals to make themselfs feel macho what a bunch of pathetic little cvnt's !
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OH Yea I almost forgot, there is so much injustice in this world we cant have a opinion on enything else
even when toffee nosed pr1ck's are going out and hunting down a little small animal and getting their hounds to rip the poor fox to shreds
Shut your mouths, get up out your armchair, get out there, and do some voluntary work in your community!
but however if you feel the need to go and do voluntary work and go out and pick up junkie needles and used tampons then go knock yourself out pal
28 December 2012, 10:59 AM
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You have a bunch of people with opinions formed from no experience arguing with a minority of people who actually LIVE in the countryside, work in the countryside, go back generations in the countryside.
It's like armchair car "experts" on the internet who form all their opinions from mates in the pub and the odd mag review compared to those who actually DRIVE the cars they comment on.
And it's a big reason our country is in massively deep ****; the majority, formed of materialistic goons living life on the never never, having a louder voice than those that live and think a little differently and dare I say it, more intelligently. The ones that don't feel the need to moan, interfere and generally boost sales of the Daily Mail.
It's like armchair car "experts" on the internet who form all their opinions from mates in the pub and the odd mag review compared to those who actually DRIVE the cars they comment on.
And it's a big reason our country is in massively deep ****; the majority, formed of materialistic goons living life on the never never, having a louder voice than those that live and think a little differently and dare I say it, more intelligently. The ones that don't feel the need to moan, interfere and generally boost sales of the Daily Mail.
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28 December 2012, 11:07 AM
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You have a bunch of people with opinions formed from no experience arguing with a minority of people who actually LIVE in the countryside, work in the countryside, go back generations in the countryside.
It's like armchair car "experts" on the internet who form all their opinions from mates in the pub and the odd mag review compared to those who actually DRIVE the cars they comment on.
And it's a big reason our country is in massively deep ****; the majority, formed of materialistic goons living life on the never never, having a louder voice than those that live and think a little differently and dare I say it, more intelligently. The ones that don't feel the need to moan, interfere and generally boost sales of the Daily Mail.
It's like armchair car "experts" on the internet who form all their opinions from mates in the pub and the odd mag review compared to those who actually DRIVE the cars they comment on.
And it's a big reason our country is in massively deep ****; the majority, formed of materialistic goons living life on the never never, having a louder voice than those that live and think a little differently and dare I say it, more intelligently. The ones that don't feel the need to moan, interfere and generally boost sales of the Daily Mail.
Mind you always entertaining reading your up your own **** drivel when you pop back here every now and again.
28 December 2012, 11:12 AM
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Some good debating here but the same old people can't debate their way out of a paper bag so it's a bit like a form of cruel sport really.
Anonomous - I'd say most do, except the ones that have moved from a City. If you'd like to expand beyond insults and actually point out what bo77ocks I've posted, then feel free.
Oh I forgot, you can't can you...
28 December 2012, 11:20 AM
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The BMW that's paid for, not on the never never? And now worth about a quid?
Some good debating here but the same old people can't debate their way out of a paper bag so it's a bit like a form of cruel sport really.
Anonomous - I'd say most do, except the ones that have moved from a City. If you'd like to expand beyond insults and actually point out what bo77ocks I've posted, then feel free.
Oh I forgot, you can't can you...
Some good debating here but the same old people can't debate their way out of a paper bag so it's a bit like a form of cruel sport really.
Anonomous - I'd say most do, except the ones that have moved from a City. If you'd like to expand beyond insults and actually point out what bo77ocks I've posted, then feel free.
Oh I forgot, you can't can you...
As for debating your way out of a paper bag that's a new one, please could you demonstrate how you manage that
i believe the phrase is couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
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Oh please do provide your proof of where you get your information stating 'most' rural people support fox hunting and only those who have moved from a city don't. I'd be very interested to see it because the fact is it's nothing more than your own misinformed opinion and utter boll0cks. And the reason I can say it's boll0cks is because I know farmers who detest fox hunting and they haven't moved from the city and so that's boll0xed your claims straight off
As for debating your way out of a paper bag that's a new one, please could you demonstrate how you manage that i believe the phrase is couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
As for debating your way out of a paper bag that's a new one, please could you demonstrate how you manage that
i believe the phrase is couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.PLEEEASE....
28 December 2012, 11:31 AM
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As for hunting I have nothing against it when it is one on one and what is being killed is for food. I hunt with a hawk (rabbits and pheasant) and it is one creature against another which is fair game in my book and being his first year his prey more often than not escapes him untouched. The first rule you maintain is that no prey item suffers and you get in on a catch immediately and dispatch it humanely by breaking it's neck, it's instant. It is also done to provide the food for my hawk and so nothing is ever killed for the sake of killing it, unlike the shooters who also share permission on the farms I hunt on and leave blown to pieces rabbit carcasses laying all over the place and putting them down the rabbit warrens. Just sickening.
Hunting foxes with dogs is pure cruelty, it doesn't even come under the category of sport. Even if the fox makes it to cover it gets dug out and thrown to the dogs, where the **** is the sporting chance in that? As for the claim above one dog kills the fox before the others get it try pulling the other one, have you missed all the video evidence that has been shown over the years where foxes are dug out and then thrown to a baying pack of dogs who rip it to pieces whilst alive? Do you really want me to start posting youtube videos of fox hunt behaviour and dogs killing the fox once caught?
The fox is not hunted for food and it is not one on one. It is done for enjoyment and the lust for blood of an animal that has no chance of survival when hunted to exhaustion by large numbers of dogs and idiots on horse back.
Hunting foxes with dogs is pure cruelty, it doesn't even come under the category of sport. Even if the fox makes it to cover it gets dug out and thrown to the dogs, where the **** is the sporting chance in that? As for the claim above one dog kills the fox before the others get it try pulling the other one, have you missed all the video evidence that has been shown over the years where foxes are dug out and then thrown to a baying pack of dogs who rip it to pieces whilst alive? Do you really want me to start posting youtube videos of fox hunt behaviour and dogs killing the fox once caught?
The fox is not hunted for food and it is not one on one. It is done for enjoyment and the lust for blood of an animal that has no chance of survival when hunted to exhaustion by large numbers of dogs and idiots on horse back.
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Now then all three of my cars are paid for as is my house, I have a high IQ and I have lived in both the city and the countryside in the past and to top it all I have a relative who owns and runs a farm so I guess that ticks all your boxes as to having the criteria needed to have an opinon that counts yes?
Good.
Right then, hunting foxes with dogs for fun (as that is what it is) is barbaric!