I agree, although with stop/start technology you have to keep your foot on the brake, or you do at least in my Smart car. I tend to disable it most of the time anyway.

 

Hackchewally many cars do and have done so for quite some time:

VAGs you have to pull out the light switch when turning on the fog lights, when turning off the main lights (or back on to 'AUTO'), the switch pushes itself back in so cancels the fogs, same with Mercs

Most Peugeot/Citreons/renaults do this too, just the switches are on the indicator stalk, turn off lights, fogs are cancelled. Not a new thing either, been like that since the Clio II/307/Picasso

BMWs had electronically cancelling fogs since the e46 3 series and facelifted e39, which is about 1998 IIRC.

So anyone you see driving these with fogs on have turned them on intentionally

 

the front fogs on my Audi A4 -- have decided to come on permanently

I have taped over them with electrical tape, but that wears out eventually

Anyway re rear fogs, I thought the criteria for having them in is visibility not foggyness

So in really heavy rain, i appreciate cars in front having them on, cars that don’t are very hard to see sometimes especially with smoked rear lights

 

Fog lights grind my gears. Particularly people who don't turn them off when visibility improves in close traffic and they are lasering my eyeballs.

 

We need a change in Construction and Use regulations, and MOT testing to insist that fogs must be self-cancelling on ALL cars, and that during their operation there must be an irritating beep every 20 seconds or so to remind you they're on and encourage you to turn them off if they're not legitimately needed, and not use them otherwise. They could even build in a temperature/humidity sensor into the circuit that denies their use unless atmospheric conditions allow, but I suppose this would be something else to go wrong on VW brand cars.

 

But then how would you know if the car was braking or just had it's fogs on?
I think it is dangerous to drive with rear fogs on in heavy rain for this reason.

 

Not worried about Audis' bright LED's, as they generally drive 20mm behind your rear bumper.

 

because it is not an either/or scenario

they have fog lights on, making them much more visible in heavy driving rain etc

they then brake, and I can see the brake lights come on (especially those with high level bake lights)

simple

i totally appreciate in town or v slowly moving traffic they are a pita and should not be used

 

What happened to the old dim dipped. At one time the emergency services had this feature. Ideal for fog with fog lights on and lit roads or sat at lights.


The latest led drls are becoming a hazard as they dazzle due to no beam aim. Audis and mercs appear to be the worst and I saw a beemmer with very bright halos last week that you couldn't look at. .

The rules on max wattage are now out of date. It needs changing to max lumens and stick it on MOT like HIDs.

 

Don't forget the SIDE LIGHT + FOG LIGHT (front) = I've got daytime running lights on my 53plate Focus

 

I had a Ford Orion with Dim Dip, don't think it was around for long though.