So who's spride and joy looks like this,,,,
19 January 2013, 11:07 PM
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Virtually no snow in my part of Essex, by the time I had travelled far enough to find some snow the car was entirely snow free.
The summer tyres are absolute crud on this surface, but it did lead to lots of fun at about 10mph.
The summer tyres are absolute crud on this surface, but it did lead to lots of fun at about 10mph.
20 January 2013, 10:31 PM
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Had to drive East to find any...
21 January 2013, 11:10 AM
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as the garage is full of gearbox\diff\suspension parts it's outside under a 'fezza 355 cover...amazing fit considering 
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21 January 2013, 01:38 PM
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I really struggle to get the tyre thing across to people. No doubt we will soon have the threads telling us how peope were flying up hils past 2wd cars that were completely stuck and how great their AWD Scoobs are etc. etc. Which unless you have winter tyres fitted is nonsense and people being economical with the truth.
There is a hill up to my house that is about 1 in 4 and in the garage I have my Scoob fitted with Michelin Pilot Sports. On the drive I have a Volvo V40 fited with Vredestein winter tyres. I know which one I will be using to go up and down that hill in the next few days..... and it isn't the Scoob as it would not get up the hill, 4 wheels spinning with no grip isn't any better than 2!!
There is a hill up to my house that is about 1 in 4 and in the garage I have my Scoob fitted with Michelin Pilot Sports. On the drive I have a Volvo V40 fited with Vredestein winter tyres. I know which one I will be using to go up and down that hill in the next few days..... and it isn't the Scoob as it would not get up the hill, 4 wheels spinning with no grip isn't any better than 2!!
the hill out of my street a few years back had say 10-12"s snow, the first few cars driven on thick snow manage as the snow compacts under the weight, but after a week or so these tracks were now almost ice, and the surrounding snow wasnt fresh - its was all hard and icy. from then on nothing in my street could get in or out apart from my scooby.
partly because of my supreme driving skills, but partially to that touch extra traction at the point of the hill where momentum no longer carries you. the "critical point" or number 5 on the street
and i tried in my wifes megane, totally hopeless, the worst ever, and in my tdci fiesta a bit better but still a fail - scooby never failed once?
and again one day i was stuck in traffic for 8 hours on the M8 - was early hours of the morning before nearing home - cars ditched, trucks jack-knifed, vans left strewn all across the roads - in around foot and half of snow - scooby got me to the door., with a lot of weaving inbetween abandoned vehicles.
infact ive never once been stuck in my subaru for snow, i have many times in all my 2wd cars - and much to your annoyance i slowly passed many 2 wheels drive cars, as they come to a stop after sliding all the way down long hills.
some lovley pics, any car in the snow is fun
21 January 2013, 01:50 PM
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thats so not my experience tbh.
the hill out of my street a few years back had say 10-12"s snow, the first few cars driven on thick snow manage as the snow compacts under the weight, but after a week or so these tracks were now almost ice, and the surrounding snow wasnt fresh - its was all hard and icy. from then on nothing in my street could get in or out apart from my scooby.
partly because of my supreme driving skills, but partially to that touch extra traction at the point of the hill where momentum no longer carries you. the "critical point" or number 5 on the street
and i tried in my wifes megane, totally hopeless, the worst ever, and in my tdci fiesta a bit better but still a fail - scooby never failed once?
and again one day i was stuck in traffic for 8 hours on the M8 - was early hours of the morning before nearing home - cars ditched, trucks jack-knifed, vans left strewn all across the roads - in around foot and half of snow - scooby got me to the door., with a lot of weaving inbetween abandoned vehicles.
infact ive never once been stuck in my subaru for snow, i have many times in all my 2wd cars - and much to your annoyance i slowly passed many 2 wheels drive cars, as they come to a stop after sliding all the way down long hills.
some lovley pics, any car in the snow is fun
the hill out of my street a few years back had say 10-12"s snow, the first few cars driven on thick snow manage as the snow compacts under the weight, but after a week or so these tracks were now almost ice, and the surrounding snow wasnt fresh - its was all hard and icy. from then on nothing in my street could get in or out apart from my scooby.
partly because of my supreme driving skills, but partially to that touch extra traction at the point of the hill where momentum no longer carries you. the "critical point" or number 5 on the street
and i tried in my wifes megane, totally hopeless, the worst ever, and in my tdci fiesta a bit better but still a fail - scooby never failed once?
and again one day i was stuck in traffic for 8 hours on the M8 - was early hours of the morning before nearing home - cars ditched, trucks jack-knifed, vans left strewn all across the roads - in around foot and half of snow - scooby got me to the door., with a lot of weaving inbetween abandoned vehicles.
infact ive never once been stuck in my subaru for snow, i have many times in all my 2wd cars - and much to your annoyance i slowly passed many 2 wheels drive cars, as they come to a stop after sliding all the way down long hills.
some lovley pics, any car in the snow is fun
on friday night i got stuck on the a6 due to a crash, so when i eventually got to the next roundabout i came off and took the back roads.
very hilly country roads.
a few other people had the same idea and i passed several cars that could not make it up the hills as the snow had compacted down to ice but my impreza had no problems at all.
the main culprits that were stuck were driving the rear wheels but there were still a good few front wheel drive cars stuck too.
21 January 2013, 02:18 PM
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thats so not my experience tbh.
the hill out of my street a few years back had say 10-12"s snow, the first few cars driven on thick snow manage as the snow compacts under the weight, but after a week or so these tracks were now almost ice, and the surrounding snow wasnt fresh - its was all hard and icy. from then on nothing in my street could get in or out apart from my scooby.
partly because of my supreme driving skills, but partially to that touch extra traction at the point of the hill where momentum no longer carries you. the "critical point" or number 5 on the street
and i tried in my wifes megane, totally hopeless, the worst ever, and in my tdci fiesta a bit better but still a fail - scooby never failed once?
and again one day i was stuck in traffic for 8 hours on the M8 - was early hours of the morning before nearing home - cars ditched, trucks jack-knifed, vans left strewn all across the roads - in around foot and half of snow - scooby got me to the door., with a lot of weaving inbetween abandoned vehicles.
infact ive never once been stuck in my subaru for snow, i have many times in all my 2wd cars - and much to your annoyance i slowly passed many 2 wheels drive cars, as they come to a stop after sliding all the way down long hills.
some lovley pics, any car in the snow is fun
the hill out of my street a few years back had say 10-12"s snow, the first few cars driven on thick snow manage as the snow compacts under the weight, but after a week or so these tracks were now almost ice, and the surrounding snow wasnt fresh - its was all hard and icy. from then on nothing in my street could get in or out apart from my scooby.
partly because of my supreme driving skills, but partially to that touch extra traction at the point of the hill where momentum no longer carries you. the "critical point" or number 5 on the street
and i tried in my wifes megane, totally hopeless, the worst ever, and in my tdci fiesta a bit better but still a fail - scooby never failed once?
and again one day i was stuck in traffic for 8 hours on the M8 - was early hours of the morning before nearing home - cars ditched, trucks jack-knifed, vans left strewn all across the roads - in around foot and half of snow - scooby got me to the door., with a lot of weaving inbetween abandoned vehicles.
infact ive never once been stuck in my subaru for snow, i have many times in all my 2wd cars - and much to your annoyance i slowly passed many 2 wheels drive cars, as they come to a stop after sliding all the way down long hills.
some lovley pics, any car in the snow is fun
As it happens I have just come home and right now the hill up to my house is impassable to all but me and some Land Rovers it would seem. There is a Range Rover Sport wedged into the kerb at the bottom of it where he tried and failed. My Volvo just got up there albeit with some squirming, but it got up. Having lived here 20 plus years I know my Scoob would not have got up there in today's conditions with its Michelin Pilot Sports.... I know because I used to try.... it's not a car thing, it's a traction thing and as I said 4 wheels spinning is no better than 2.
Have a look at the videos in the winter tyres thread... they aren't fantasy land, just physics! A FWD Mini outperforming an AWD Impreza because of the tyres.
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21 January 2013, 02:22 PM
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I am not saying thta the AWD isn't better... obviosuly a 2WD car will be worse than an AWD with the same tyres, but I am saying tyres make more of a difference than the AWD.
As it happens I have just come home and right now the hill up to my house is impassable to all but me and some Land Rovers it would seem. There is a Range Rover Sport wedged into the kerb at the bottom of it where he tried and failed. My Volvo just got up there albeit with some squirming, but it got up. Having lived here 20 plus years I know my Scoob would not have got up there in today's conditions with its Michelin Pilot Sports.... I know because I used to try.... it's not a car thing, it's a traction thing and as I said 4 wheels spinning is no better than 2.
Have a look at the videos in the winter tyres thread... they aren't fantasy land, just physics! A FWD Mini outperforming an AWD Impreza because of the tyres.
As it happens I have just come home and right now the hill up to my house is impassable to all but me and some Land Rovers it would seem. There is a Range Rover Sport wedged into the kerb at the bottom of it where he tried and failed. My Volvo just got up there albeit with some squirming, but it got up. Having lived here 20 plus years I know my Scoob would not have got up there in today's conditions with its Michelin Pilot Sports.... I know because I used to try.... it's not a car thing, it's a traction thing and as I said 4 wheels spinning is no better than 2.
Have a look at the videos in the winter tyres thread... they aren't fantasy land, just physics! A FWD Mini outperforming an AWD Impreza because of the tyres.
her method was 1st gear and 7000rpm. i was in an impreza but i was in third and about 1500 rpm.
if i was in first on the rev limiter i think the result would be the same as her effort.
21 January 2013, 02:29 PM
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i think driver skill is a factor too, i passed a woman trying to get up a hill friday in a mondeo.
her method was 1st gear and 7000rpm. i was in an impreza but i was in third and about 1500 rpm.
if i was in first on the rev limiter i think the result would be the same as her effort.
her method was 1st gear and 7000rpm. i was in an impreza but i was in third and about 1500 rpm.
if i was in first on the rev limiter i think the result would be the same as her effort.
21 January 2013, 02:33 PM
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i agree,
some drivers seem to have zero understanding of how to try get up a hill in snow/ice.
and yeah the tyres will make some difference to.
some drivers seem to have zero understanding of how to try get up a hill in snow/ice.
and yeah the tyres will make some difference to.
21 January 2013, 03:43 PM
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I also have to agree with all this, I can for sure say tyres do make a difference, as my old man let me drive his with zero neros on and it had so much more traction to mine, it does have traction control and so on where as mine only has DCCD and nearly worn Re070 tyres and pulling away in 3rd I get 4 wheel spin with diff lock on trying to get up a small hill
21 January 2013, 04:44 PM
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I think people are confusing traction for grip. I can fly up a driveway 1 in 4 in this weather with summer tyres on. This is in my opinion as much due to all wheel drive traction as it is the car being basically mechanically well sorted. However, I am much more careful coming down lol!
The same goes for weaving in and out of the traffic that is struggling for grip on icy snow, to which I too can attest. However I'd have a very expensive and painful experience if I tried doing the same at 35mph. I certainly cannot bend the Good Lord's rules of physics (although I suspect someone with a JDM car probably can).
I fitted winter tyres to my Hawkeye a few years back, it was an incredible improvement at slow speeds and the car got places that a lot of others wouldn't. I'll be investing in a pair myself soon. But I wouldn't want to try and emulate Yvan Muller as driving in very slippery conditions at speed is always going to end up in one way.
The same goes for weaving in and out of the traffic that is struggling for grip on icy snow, to which I too can attest. However I'd have a very expensive and painful experience if I tried doing the same at 35mph. I certainly cannot bend the Good Lord's rules of physics (although I suspect someone with a JDM car probably can).
I fitted winter tyres to my Hawkeye a few years back, it was an incredible improvement at slow speeds and the car got places that a lot of others wouldn't. I'll be investing in a pair myself soon. But I wouldn't want to try and emulate Yvan Muller as driving in very slippery conditions at speed is always going to end up in one way.
21 January 2013, 04:52 PM
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Yep, I was on a few icy roads this weekend and while getting up/along them was certainly aided by the AWD it was clear that my performance summer tyres had nil grip. The car simply wouldn't stop itself and I am pretty certain it would be no better than a Focus ST/RS at stopping - pulling off is, of course, a different story!
22 January 2013, 07:20 PM
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This is mine on a carpark on 21/1/13.
Snow, what snow, I just drove in & parked, which is more than the Fiesta did that came in as I was walking to the pay & display machine. It was still in the same place, wheels spinning, as I was walking across the carpark.
Snow, what snow, I just drove in & parked, which is more than the Fiesta did that came in as I was walking to the pay & display machine. It was still in the same place, wheels spinning, as I was walking across the carpark.
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