nick172sport

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mugabe

jef

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what? give a sh*t about kids dying?

how can people not give a sh*t? its a dying child - born into a situation not of its making. its easy to hold parents responsible - not so easy to hold the dying infant responsible.

what do you do, restrict help to "teach a lesson", or give to help the individual?

i couldnt restrict aid on the principle of "teaching" a lesson. at same time i dont give enough to feed all the starving. - sad it has to be a choice

mrmadcap

You are deluded, if you want to prop up some African warlord that's great but I choose not to and that is my right.

RA Dunk

and keep giving and keep giving and keep giving and keep giving, this has been going on for a while now Jef. Band Aid was 1985 were now into 2013 and still giving.

pslewis

Help is letting the weak die and then sterilising who is left.

As I said in an earlier post, and you seem to have missed it, in the 1950's I was sending money to save dying babies .... those babies I saved had babies who were also starving and helped by Band Aid, now those children have had children and the begging bowl is being passed around once more .........

Anyway, some charities take 98p in expenses from every £1 .... the adverts cost a fortune - and the Chief Executives taking a £300,000 pay cheque annually sticks in the throat rather.

They should be made to produce their admin. costs per £1 given .... that would open some eyes!

jef

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yeah i know - band aid as sad as it is is the song that means most to me - it to me displays human compasion - and that i beleive in.

im aware donating may end up in dictators hands, or for buying arms buy militant groups.
and i dont proclaim to donate my lifes wage to any charity - but i just kind of hope to hope some aid gets through to those that need it. what else can a person do??

when i know that really what i have isnt really needed - its society related - it feels greedy to keep everything when realistic a few quid i wouldnt notice gone and someone else may notice the benefit.

jef

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agree, show all admin costs and what is ended up in the causes hand as as useable help.
why has it taken from the 50's to try and distinguish what money goes where?
you dontated then pete eh? you seem to expect a donation to result in a culture change/education change - it cant happen over a single lifetime mate - and while you and me pleasantly bicker on line real children die from disease or starvation.
yes i agree we accept its part of life, children will die and instead of a fiver or tenner a month i could dontate all my wages yet i choose not to.
i still believe (naively maybe) some good is done from donations?? no matter big or small.
maybe im just too niavie?

hodgy0_2

reading this sad thread reminds me of the denouement of George Orwell's masterpiece 1984

"The circle of the mask was large enough now to shut out the vision of anything else. The wire door was a couple of hand-spans from his face. The rats knew what was coming now. One of them was leaping up and down, the other, an old scaly grandfather of the sewers, stood up, with his pink hands against the bars, and fiercely sniffed the air. Winston could see the whiskers and the yellow teeth. Again the black panic took hold of him. He was blind, helpless, mindless.

'It was a common punishment in Imperial China,' said O'Brien as didactically as ever.

The mask was closing on his face. The wire brushed his cheek. And then -- no, it was not relief, only hope, a tiny fragment of hope. Too late, perhaps too late. But he had suddenly understood that in the whole world there was just one person to whom he could transfer his punishment -- one body that he could thrust between himself and the rats. And he was shouting frantically, over and over.

'Do it to Julia! Do it to Julia! Not me! Julia! I don't care what you do to her. Tear her face off, strip her to the bones. Not me! Julia! Not me!'"

my bold btw

it does test your faith in humanity

kevo10

Problem is, these ads were running when i was at school. i hate to think how much money has gone into the country. and the result? No change. theyre still having children that are not sustainable . Its no wonder people turn a blind eye

mamoon2

Pete,

I bought my house from a Donkey Charity. The old boy that owned the house died and left it to the charity. They had offices in central London and were so arkward to deal with

Madness

kevo10

A grandparent from work was on about this very subject. she religiously gave £4 pound a month to one of these charities. She paid for a few months by DD but then started getting hassled for more cash. she cancelled the DD when the callers were asking for £20 a month. talk about greed.

hodgy0_2

the problem is about power money, greed and influence

not about the "feckless" poor

kevo10

Wonder if he donates a good proportion of his paycheck ? Doubt it very much

joz8968

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What I've noticed is the ads always used to 'politely ask': "..give £2 or whatever you can afford...".

...But now it's a 'command' of: "...give £2..."

Cheeky *******.

Paben

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The ghastly old troll throws out another line and up come the big daft fish and grab the bait - me included

pslewis

Do you mean me?

If so, define 'good proportion'?

And how much do you give - from what income?

fergal69

Like some of the people that have posted replies, I can remember similar adverts, especially the one for water wells/pumps from when I was young in the 70's.

Over the years they must have collected millions, so why still advertising for them?

Most likely because the money never gets spent where it should!

hodgy0_2

the problem is about power money, greed and influence

not about the "feckless" poor

Turbohot

I think he might have meant the chief executive of the charity, if you look at his response to your post no. 35 that he quotes with his response in his post no. 43.

Good point IMO.

Turbohot

Postscript: If he (kevo10) did mean 'you', then fight fight!

J4CKO

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So you got the house, where did the Donkeys go, Tescos ?

I can see what Pete is saying but all you can do is give and hope it gets through, and hope that Karma sees to anyone that gets their mits on it before it gets where its going.

joz8968

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"Sukie. Go to de well."

scoobysteve1983

the one that gets me is the advert saying that ****** (african kids name) has to walk 8 miles to get water from the well. now not being funny, but why don't they just move closer to the well????

Dale17

Pete's getting good with the threads

leeds_182

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I don't doubt that a lot of the money donated probably does not make it to where the donated person intended it.

What I object to is that certain people have stated in this thread that its acceptable for children to die of starvation. A child dying of starvation is never a good thing, surely. As a father of three I find the idea abhorrent.

gripper2k12

well got to put my ten pence in, theres kids starving, getting neglected, mentally and physicaly abused in this country god even kids dying think people should get there prioritys right and start thinking about the country we live in, sure its not nice the thought of kids starving and dying but as many people have said they should be stopped from having kids in affrica simple!

lordharding

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I have spent a lot of time in the phillipines over the years and religion dictates so many things for birth control or lack of it

Talking to people they say it's gods way
That's why they keep on having more kids so they can support the parents when they get older
Corruption is so ripe in third world countries and education
Gave them a quid or two and they will spend it on parties and food then be skint the next day and look for more handouts
The rich get richer and the poorer continue to be poor and continue making the same mistakes
One of the better charities is shared interst where you pay money into a bank account which is then lent to a developing Buisness to help growth
Similer organisation is lend with care

So many charities as correctly pointed out have Hugh offices and expensive staff and commission based charity collectors

So many local charities are better ran by volunteers In this country

kevo10

Well, unless your the chief executive of the charity ,no. but if you are , i make no apology

pimmo2000

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Excellent troll this time Pete..

Anyway, I don't give to anyone outside the UK and I don't feel guilty ..

But a lot of posts in this thread smack of guilt, giving reasons for not giving anything, making up where you think the money goes, I'm not judging you, but the awe-mighty Jesus Christ will.

ha ha

CharlySkunkWeed

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If Jesus cared so much this thread wouldnt exist.