Romanian and Bulgarian influx
07 February 2013, 01:44 PM
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From the Telegraph:
In fact, in all its various spellings, Mohammed is now the favourite name for newborn boys in England and Wales.
Even without variant spellings, Mohammed was the most common boy's name in the West Midlands and the fourth most popular in London. In the South West, however, it ranked 145th. It was 16th overall.
Its popularity was "symbolic of Britain's diversity", said Dr Justin Gest, an academic at Harvard and the London School of Economics
In fact, in all its various spellings, Mohammed is now the favourite name for newborn boys in England and Wales.
Even without variant spellings, Mohammed was the most common boy's name in the West Midlands and the fourth most popular in London. In the South West, however, it ranked 145th. It was 16th overall.
Its popularity was "symbolic of Britain's diversity", said Dr Justin Gest, an academic at Harvard and the London School of Economics
07 February 2013, 01:51 PM
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From the Telegraph:
In fact, in all its various spellings, Mohammed is now the favourite name for newborn boys in England and Wales.
Even without variant spellings, Mohammed was the most common boy's name in the West Midlands and the fourth most popular in London. In the South West, however, it ranked 145th. It was 16th overall.
Its popularity was "symbolic of Britain's diversity", said Dr Justin Gest, an academic at Harvard and the London School of Economics
In fact, in all its various spellings, Mohammed is now the favourite name for newborn boys in England and Wales.
Even without variant spellings, Mohammed was the most common boy's name in the West Midlands and the fourth most popular in London. In the South West, however, it ranked 145th. It was 16th overall.
Its popularity was "symbolic of Britain's diversity", said Dr Justin Gest, an academic at Harvard and the London School of Economics
07 February 2013, 04:56 PM
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To answer the original question, the world is changing, and rapidly. There is no going back, so we need to get used to it. There's lots we can learn from immigrants.
On the question of benefits, thats the UK governments fault. In Germany, you have to have done 12 months employment before you get any benefits. No reason we can't have that here.
On the question of benefits, thats the UK governments fault. In Germany, you have to have done 12 months employment before you get any benefits. No reason we can't have that here.
07 February 2013, 05:01 PM
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Agreed doc, but look at this:
Let's suppose that 1 million Asian boys are born and HALF of them are named Mohammed.
Now let's suppose that FIVE million white British boys are born, the most popular name being Jack, given to 450,000 of them.
So the name Mohammed is more popular than Jack, but it DOESN'T mean that Asian births are more than White British births.
probably MORE scary is that Leicester is already the first UK city to have a majority of Asian people, and several more are expected to follow within the next five years.
Of local families I know, the white British birthrate is under two children, the Asian birthrate is closer to four.
Let's suppose that 1 million Asian boys are born and HALF of them are named Mohammed.
Now let's suppose that FIVE million white British boys are born, the most popular name being Jack, given to 450,000 of them.
So the name Mohammed is more popular than Jack, but it DOESN'T mean that Asian births are more than White British births.
probably MORE scary is that Leicester is already the first UK city to have a majority of Asian people, and several more are expected to follow within the next five years.
Of local families I know, the white British birthrate is under two children, the Asian birthrate is closer to four.
07 February 2013, 07:18 PM
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07 February 2013, 07:31 PM
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well it kind of proves a point when no one bothers to look it up because they are scared of the answer, there is a wonderfull picture of a bloke bent over backwards circulating on facebook with his head up his own ****, titled cameron when questioned on immigration, very fitting for most mp's and a few members of this place as well. come back and tell us all how wonderfull they are in a few years time when you have been robbed or your daughter has been attacked on the way home from a night out, the top 50 most wanted criminals in the uk is available to look at on the net, have a browse through and look how many of them are illegal immigrants
ps sorry in advance for any spelling mistakes i couldn't be arsed
ps sorry in advance for any spelling mistakes i couldn't be arsed
07 February 2013, 08:48 PM
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I did hear that most Muslim boys get Mohammed as a forename, it is traditional, as a tribute to the Prophet, they also get a middle name which they then end up using in a lot of cases, eiteh that or a massive lack of imagination.
10 February 2013, 02:57 PM
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It's started already. Some Romanians work for a company that was sub-contracting to the one I work for. They keep feeling the need to sh*te on site, despite there being clean, warm toilet facilities provided. One of them took a dump right next to the materials I had to use the next day. I arrived to find a turd squashed under a brick complete with toilet paper and everything! But at least that one had the decency to do it outside, even if it did inconvenience me greatly. A week later, another one of them did one inside one of the shiny new finished buildings!
Avoiding the canteen whenever they're in is also a must, as they all stink. I'm sure they're not representative of all Romanians though. Just the ones that are coming over here...
Avoiding the canteen whenever they're in is also a must, as they all stink. I'm sure they're not representative of all Romanians though. Just the ones that are coming over here...
10 February 2013, 02:59 PM
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10 February 2013, 03:48 PM
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So the solution is:
1: Remove benefits from those not "wanting" to work (hard to prove but not impossible)
2: Install an Australian style "entry point system" for those wanting to come and live in the UK.
3: Stop giving/lending millions to 3rd World countries and start fixing UK problems 1st.
Then we could go Chinese and heavily tax anyone having more than 1 child thus reducing the overcrowded existing population to more "manageable" numbers. Those that can "afford" to have more than 1 child will and those that can't won't - therefore those that want more than one will work hard to afford them rather than the current system where you get more "benefit" from having multiple children which ultimately does not help the situation.
None of these are "extreme solutions" but will inevitably end up being seen as unfair - probably only by those that "benefit" from the existing system though.
Food for thought perhaps.....but I know it won't happen....knew this 12 years ago when I got out and moved to France, just sad to be sitting here watching HMS UK sink
1: Remove benefits from those not "wanting" to work (hard to prove but not impossible)
2: Install an Australian style "entry point system" for those wanting to come and live in the UK.
3: Stop giving/lending millions to 3rd World countries and start fixing UK problems 1st.
Then we could go Chinese and heavily tax anyone having more than 1 child thus reducing the overcrowded existing population to more "manageable" numbers. Those that can "afford" to have more than 1 child will and those that can't won't - therefore those that want more than one will work hard to afford them rather than the current system where you get more "benefit" from having multiple children which ultimately does not help the situation.
None of these are "extreme solutions" but will inevitably end up being seen as unfair - probably only by those that "benefit" from the existing system though.
Food for thought perhaps.....but I know it won't happen....knew this 12 years ago when I got out and moved to France, just sad to be sitting here watching HMS UK sink
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10 February 2013, 04:12 PM
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Point system for our fellow Europeans?
It's a nice idea, but you can see the immediate problem
The sending family benefits abroad and endless support for larger useless families here is a big problem,solvable imo
I'm damn sure it's not rosy across the channel either.A customer mines son is a forester there,hasnt been paid for months boss doesn't have it......cap cuts I wonder
It's a nice idea, but you can see the immediate problem
The sending family benefits abroad and endless support for larger useless families here is a big problem,solvable imo
I'm damn sure it's not rosy across the channel either.A customer mines son is a forester there,hasnt been paid for months boss doesn't have it......cap cuts I wonder
10 February 2013, 04:39 PM
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I didn't move to France to earn lots of money (would've stayed working in KSA for that) but what France has got (at least the part where I live) and the UK seems to have lost are the "old school values" - no way was I going to bring up any of my children in the UK, having to pick them up from school in order to avoid the drug dealers, child abusers, etc. etc. etc. or have to pay a fortune to send them to a private school in order to avoid mixing with the "wrong crowd". Life here is how it was when I was growing up in Wembley nearly 40 years ago and that's what I wanted for my kids.
Why do all the "immigrants" pass through France whilst heading for the UK? ....because France doesn't offer them the "free benefits" that the UK does.
I've been an estate agent here for 12 years and the majority of the Brits who buy are all getting out of the UK for the same reasons - strangely I've never sold to a Polish client who lives in the UK.
Blighty is only going to get worse I'm afraid and I don't envy the UK that your kids will inherit.
Why do all the "immigrants" pass through France whilst heading for the UK? ....because France doesn't offer them the "free benefits" that the UK does.
I've been an estate agent here for 12 years and the majority of the Brits who buy are all getting out of the UK for the same reasons - strangely I've never sold to a Polish client who lives in the UK.
Blighty is only going to get worse I'm afraid and I don't envy the UK that your kids will inherit.
10 February 2013, 05:14 PM
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Looks like the government is already on top of this issue as they have already devised a strategy to keep the imigration down 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21263572
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21263572
10 February 2013, 05:28 PM
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I didn't move to France to earn lots of money (would've stayed working in KSA for that) but what France has got (at least the part where I live) and the UK seems to have lost are the "old school values" - no way was I going to bring up any of my children in the UK, having to pick them up from school in order to avoid the drug dealers, child abusers, etc. etc. etc. or have to pay a fortune to send them to a private school in order to avoid mixing with the "wrong crowd". Life here is how it was when I was growing up in Wembley nearly 40 years ago and that's what I wanted for my kids.
Why do all the "immigrants" pass through France whilst heading for the UK? ....because France doesn't offer them the "free benefits" that the UK does.
I've been an estate agent here for 12 years and the majority of the Brits who buy are all getting out of the UK for the same reasons - strangely I've never sold to a Polish client who lives in the UK.
Blighty is only going to get worse I'm afraid and I don't envy the UK that your kids will inherit.
Why do all the "immigrants" pass through France whilst heading for the UK? ....because France doesn't offer them the "free benefits" that the UK does.
I've been an estate agent here for 12 years and the majority of the Brits who buy are all getting out of the UK for the same reasons - strangely I've never sold to a Polish client who lives in the UK.
Blighty is only going to get worse I'm afraid and I don't envy the UK that your kids will inherit.
Couldn't of put it better,had a couple mates who have left the UK and some family, New Zealand,Canada and the USA,3/4 years on the one mate in Canada who i talk too more often,said he has no intention of coming back to the UK,he is settled in a job and a house,his three kids are all doing well,all driving and can afford vehicles while at college etc.
He said to me why don't i think about it,and its been on and off my mind for a while now.
UK has become a dumping ground for all the ****.
10 February 2013, 05:30 PM
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The plain fact is that, because we put NO restrictions in the way of those who came first, we CANNOT legally put any in the way of the next wave, and the one after that, etc etc, because it would be discrimination.
Lying Labour to blame. No-one else. Sorry.
10 February 2013, 06:04 PM
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A lot of people on NSR are deluded, they think that immigrants are coming to the UK to work and do all the menial jobs the white workshy will not do.
In reality most are here to rape the benefit system in the UK, particularly this next Bulgarian and Romanian influx.
And to take maximum advantage, most will have kids here and rape the NHS, a system that they have not contributed to via National Insurance and tax.
Also those that do work will return to their own countries around or before April for two or three months and any tax they have paid in the UK will be refunded. They will then return to the UK and the cycle starts again.
And then there's the benefit that is paid to any children not living in the UK.
This is simply unsustainable; no other country has such an inept system and will result in the end of everything we take for granted in the UK, the welfare system, the NHS etc., etc.
This isn't a racist or bigoted attitude, just common sense.
In reality most are here to rape the benefit system in the UK, particularly this next Bulgarian and Romanian influx.
And to take maximum advantage, most will have kids here and rape the NHS, a system that they have not contributed to via National Insurance and tax.
Also those that do work will return to their own countries around or before April for two or three months and any tax they have paid in the UK will be refunded. They will then return to the UK and the cycle starts again.
And then there's the benefit that is paid to any children not living in the UK.
This is simply unsustainable; no other country has such an inept system and will result in the end of everything we take for granted in the UK, the welfare system, the NHS etc., etc.
This isn't a racist or bigoted attitude, just common sense.
10 February 2013, 06:20 PM
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10 February 2013, 06:29 PM
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Sorry, but NEITHER of the above can now be done, unless our government suddenly grows enough cojones to tell the ECHR to fek off.
The plain fact is that, because we put NO restrictions in the way of those who came first, we CANNOT legally put any in the way of the next wave, and the one after that, etc etc, because it would be discrimination.
The plain fact is that, because we put NO restrictions in the way of those who came first, we CANNOT legally put any in the way of the next wave, and the one after that, etc etc, because it would be discrimination.
I have no idea whether there will be a huge influx of Romanians and Bulgarians and I have no idea what they are coming here for as to say they are soley coming for benefits or the NHS is stupid - we don't know that, but if there is an influx and the country cannot accomodate them then Cameron needs to grow a set and say No! The rest of Europe isn't worried I see so why are we such a soft touch? What are they doing that we are not? Ah yes... they grew a spine a while back and told the EU and ECHR do do one on certain issues!
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10 February 2013, 06:36 PM
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Sorry, but NEITHER of the above can now be done, unless our government suddenly grows enough cojones to tell the ECHR to fek off.
The plain fact is that, because we put NO restrictions in the way of those who came first, we CANNOT legally put any in the way of the next wave, and the one after that, etc etc, because it would be discrimination.
Lying Labour to blame. No-one else. Sorry.
The plain fact is that, because we put NO restrictions in the way of those who came first, we CANNOT legally put any in the way of the next wave, and the one after that, etc etc, because it would be discrimination.
Lying Labour to blame. No-one else. Sorry.
Revolution, Civil War ..... doubt it no-one's got the ***** for any of that, just bend over and pass the KY
and those that can are already thinking about getting out 
10 February 2013, 06:41 PM
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But if you have indigenous populous that never work, the priority for any government is to make amendments to the system and make it worthwhile for these people to seek gainful employment rather than sponge off the state.
It is not the priority of any government to open the benefit system to migrants or immigrants.
10 February 2013, 06:44 PM
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A lot of people on NSR are deluded, they think that immigrants are coming to the UK to work and do all the menial jobs the white workshy will not do.
In reality most are here to rape the benefit system in the UK, particularly this next Bulgarian and Romanian influx.
And to take maximum advantage, most will have kids here and rape the NHS, a system that they have not contributed to via National Insurance and tax.
Also those that do work will return to their own countries around or before April for two or three months and any tax they have paid in the UK will be refunded. They will then return to the UK and the cycle starts again.
And then there's the benefit that is paid to any children not living in the UK.
This is simply unsustainable; no other country has such an inept system and will result in the end of everything we take for granted in the UK, the welfare system, the NHS etc., etc.
This isn't a racist or bigoted attitude, just common sense.
In reality most are here to rape the benefit system in the UK, particularly this next Bulgarian and Romanian influx.
And to take maximum advantage, most will have kids here and rape the NHS, a system that they have not contributed to via National Insurance and tax.
Also those that do work will return to their own countries around or before April for two or three months and any tax they have paid in the UK will be refunded. They will then return to the UK and the cycle starts again.
And then there's the benefit that is paid to any children not living in the UK.
This is simply unsustainable; no other country has such an inept system and will result in the end of everything we take for granted in the UK, the welfare system, the NHS etc., etc.
This isn't a racist or bigoted attitude, just common sense.
You appear to be in possession of some facts, namely the % of EU immigrants here claiming benefits...any chance you could share the stats?
10 February 2013, 07:01 PM
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What are you going to do with these 'stats', wallpaper the bathroom perhaps?