Horse meat
13 February 2013, 09:41 AM
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Had the EU not banned the method, which involves using high pressure to strip meat off the carcass, Tesco would not have been using suppliers from outside the UK.
You can't seriously want to blame Tesco, Aldi, Findus etc for the actions of the EU and unscrupulous businesses, who took advantage of the EU stretching the supply line.
The EU, in banning the source that Tesco, and others used, just meant that the meat they required had to be sourced elsewhere, and what simpler way of instantly catering for that demand, as cows don't grow to full size in two days from birth, than to start mixing in other meats?
I know you have a grudge against Tesco, but do you want them to start buying farms? That's what they could do to ensure that they have control of the meat from birth to slaughter. And then see how rich they would be if they controlled the entire food chain.
All of these retailers should conduct stricter tests, but they operate on trust, just as you and I do. And this also raises the question of what the Food standards agency has been doing and what they are supposed to do?
And just so you know it's not just Tesco, even Waitrose have been on the receiving end of mixed products:
Waitrose cleared its shelves on Tuesday of its Essential British Frozen Beef Meatballs after DNA tests showed they contained up to a third pork.
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13 February 2013, 10:04 AM
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To answer dpb
I worked for Dairy Crest for 11 years as an engineer at a well respected dairy.
Next to the American military, Tescos and Sainsbury's were the hardest customers to please. The milk was tested and audited at every step with full traceablility. Before the custmers accepted the milk we had to PROVE it was milk. That it was not contaminated, safe and would reach it's shelf life.
I am not scare mongering, just asking how our government can be so certain that the **** we have been sold by greedy foreigners is safe to eat.
I worked for Dairy Crest for 11 years as an engineer at a well respected dairy.
Next to the American military, Tescos and Sainsbury's were the hardest customers to please. The milk was tested and audited at every step with full traceablility. Before the custmers accepted the milk we had to PROVE it was milk. That it was not contaminated, safe and would reach it's shelf life.
I am not scare mongering, just asking how our government can be so certain that the **** we have been sold by greedy foreigners is safe to eat.
13 February 2013, 10:04 AM
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The Food Standards Agency are pointing the finger at the EU which gave two days notice when it banned the method of creating cheap beef, used by Tesco's UK suppliers.
Had the EU not banned the method, which involves using high pressure to strip meat off the carcass, Tesco would not have been using suppliers from outside the UK.
You can't seriously want to blame Tesco, Aldi, Findus etc for the actions of the EU and unscrupulous businesses, who took advantage of the EU stretching the supply line.
The EU, in banning the source that Tesco, and others used, just meant that the meat they required had to be sourced elsewhere, and what simpler way of instantly catering for that demand, as cows don't grow to full size in two days from birth, than to start mixing in other meats?
I know you have a grudge against Tesco, but do you want them to start buying farms? That's what they could do to ensure that they have control of the meat from birth to slaughter. And then see how rich they would be if they controlled the entire food chain.
All of these retailers should conduct stricter tests, but they operate on trust, just as you and I do. And this also raises the question of what the Food standards agency has been doing and what they are supposed to do?
Had the EU not banned the method, which involves using high pressure to strip meat off the carcass, Tesco would not have been using suppliers from outside the UK.
You can't seriously want to blame Tesco, Aldi, Findus etc for the actions of the EU and unscrupulous businesses, who took advantage of the EU stretching the supply line.
The EU, in banning the source that Tesco, and others used, just meant that the meat they required had to be sourced elsewhere, and what simpler way of instantly catering for that demand, as cows don't grow to full size in two days from birth, than to start mixing in other meats?
I know you have a grudge against Tesco, but do you want them to start buying farms? That's what they could do to ensure that they have control of the meat from birth to slaughter. And then see how rich they would be if they controlled the entire food chain.
All of these retailers should conduct stricter tests, but they operate on trust, just as you and I do. And this also raises the question of what the Food standards agency has been doing and what they are supposed to do?
Tesco value (and every other 'value') cheap shyte brand will be the lowest of the low - and they already know this.
13 February 2013, 10:31 AM
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We know the supermarkets have produce made for them, which is just branded.
Alcazar would be pleased if Tesco started buying farms, abattoirs and the factories to produce the meals in
What else will this scandal change?
Will more people start preparing their own meals?
Will children be taught to cook at school?
Will those who rely on cheap meals due to tight budgets, suddenly find that they have to buy more expensive food and eat less?
Will there be job cuts as abattoirs, factories etc which are caught out close down causing a rise in unemployment and greater demand for benefits, whilst meaning there is even less money out there to be spent, causing the economy to falter, yet again?
It's all good fun...
13 February 2013, 10:34 AM
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OK fair point - lowest of the low beef.
What level of scandal is this at though - how many other British companies are at it.
The government simply can't point the finger at the EU anymore.
What level of scandal is this at though - how many other British companies are at it.
The government simply can't point the finger at the EU anymore.
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13 February 2013, 12:32 PM
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Another thing I can't quite make out. Have Tesco (and any other supermarket for that matter) been conned themselves, or did they know that they were selling food products not as described?
I don't have a problem eating Horse or any other meat for that matter. It is the accountability and traceability that bothers me. As I explained before, I worked in a food industry that is heavily regulated and audited by the supermarkets and the government. I expected this level of responsibility, accountability and safety to be extended across all food products. So where did the system go wrong exactly?
For instance, for all you veggies out there. How sure are you that your Quorn bolognaise is just that, not the crap thay couldn't sell to Tescos as Beef Bolognaise?
I don't have a problem eating Horse or any other meat for that matter. It is the accountability and traceability that bothers me. As I explained before, I worked in a food industry that is heavily regulated and audited by the supermarkets and the government. I expected this level of responsibility, accountability and safety to be extended across all food products. So where did the system go wrong exactly?
For instance, for all you veggies out there. How sure are you that your Quorn bolognaise is just that, not the crap thay couldn't sell to Tescos as Beef Bolognaise?
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13 February 2013, 06:23 PM
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I should have known as my grandad had a Burger at our house and said it was "Champion".
I dont like being lied to but I dont mind eating Horse, I suspect Tesco didnt ask any questions when maximising the profit on their ready meal, all to the glory of their profits and share dividend, their ongoing plans for world domination, the irony is that they will soon probably be offering "Taste the Difference" 100 percent Shetland Pony burgers at £7 a pack as they are premium Horse.
How long before they find dead bodies dissapearing from Romanian Mortuaries ?
I dont like being lied to but I dont mind eating Horse, I suspect Tesco didnt ask any questions when maximising the profit on their ready meal, all to the glory of their profits and share dividend, their ongoing plans for world domination, the irony is that they will soon probably be offering "Taste the Difference" 100 percent Shetland Pony burgers at £7 a pack as they are premium Horse.
How long before they find dead bodies dissapearing from Romanian Mortuaries ?
13 February 2013, 07:02 PM
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Exactly. That's what gets me. 
It's not about the fact that it was horse's meat. The point is that the label should say what it is. Then we can make up our own mind about eating it ir not. Simplez.
Well we just don't know, do we? We could have been eating rat meat in our burgers for what we know. 
It's not about the fact that it was horse's meat. The point is that the label should say what it is. Then we can make up our own mind about eating it ir not. Simplez.
How long before they find dead bodies dissapearing from Romanian Mortuaries ?
13 February 2013, 07:14 PM
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I should have known as my grandad had a Burger at our house and said it was "Champion".
I dont like being lied to but I dont mind eating Horse, I suspect Tesco didnt ask any questions when maximising the profit on their ready meal, all to the glory of their profits and share dividend, their ongoing plans for world domination, the irony is that they will soon probably be offering "Taste the Difference" 100 percent Shetland Pony burgers at £7 a pack as they are premium Horse.
How long before they find dead bodies dissapearing from Romanian Mortuaries ?
I dont like being lied to but I dont mind eating Horse, I suspect Tesco didnt ask any questions when maximising the profit on their ready meal, all to the glory of their profits and share dividend, their ongoing plans for world domination, the irony is that they will soon probably be offering "Taste the Difference" 100 percent Shetland Pony burgers at £7 a pack as they are premium Horse.
How long before they find dead bodies dissapearing from Romanian Mortuaries ?
13 February 2013, 07:28 PM
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The Food Standards Agency are pointing the finger at the EU which gave two days notice when it banned the method of creating cheap beef, used by Tesco's UK suppliers.
Had the EU not banned the method, which involves using high pressure to strip meat off the carcass, Tesco would not have been using suppliers from outside the UK.
You can't seriously want to blame Tesco, Aldi, Findus etc for the actions of the EU and unscrupulous businesses, who took advantage of the EU stretching the supply line.
The EU, in banning the source that Tesco, and others used, just meant that the meat they required had to be sourced elsewhere, and what simpler way of instantly catering for that demand, as cows don't grow to full size in two days from birth, than to start mixing in other meats?
I know you have a grudge against Tesco, but do you want them to start buying farms? That's what they could do to ensure that they have control of the meat from birth to slaughter. And then see how rich they would be if they controlled the entire food chain.
All of these retailers should conduct stricter tests, but they operate on trust, just as you and I do. And this also raises the question of what the Food standards agency has been doing and what they are supposed to do?
And just so you know it's not just Tesco, even Waitrose have been on the receiving end of mixed products:
Had the EU not banned the method, which involves using high pressure to strip meat off the carcass, Tesco would not have been using suppliers from outside the UK.
You can't seriously want to blame Tesco, Aldi, Findus etc for the actions of the EU and unscrupulous businesses, who took advantage of the EU stretching the supply line.
The EU, in banning the source that Tesco, and others used, just meant that the meat they required had to be sourced elsewhere, and what simpler way of instantly catering for that demand, as cows don't grow to full size in two days from birth, than to start mixing in other meats?
I know you have a grudge against Tesco, but do you want them to start buying farms? That's what they could do to ensure that they have control of the meat from birth to slaughter. And then see how rich they would be if they controlled the entire food chain.
All of these retailers should conduct stricter tests, but they operate on trust, just as you and I do. And this also raises the question of what the Food standards agency has been doing and what they are supposed to do?
And just so you know it's not just Tesco, even Waitrose have been on the receiving end of mixed products:
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13 February 2013, 07:30 PM
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Exactly. That's what gets me. It's not about the fact that it was horse's meat. The point is that the label should say what it is. Then we can make up our own mind about eating it ir not. Simplez.
Well we just don't know, do we? We could have been eating rat meat in our burgers for what we know.
It's not about the fact that it was horse's meat. The point is that the label should say what it is. Then we can make up our own mind about eating it ir not. Simplez. Well we just don't know, do we? We could have been eating rat meat in our burgers for what we know.
13 February 2013, 07:44 PM
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I don't really remember a tractor sign tbh. I always looked for the British standard hallmark type of sign. It looks like the rotary club's flowery ribbon badge in red. Now I won't ever trust any mark- may it be a badge, tractor, trailor or even a horse box in any colour.
13 February 2013, 10:49 PM
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After the BSE scandal i thought Beef was suppose to be traceable through the complete supply chain!
I believe Tesco etc knew what was going on but they have such good lawyers they will be immune.
The fact that the EU wide testing wont start for 2 weeks which gives time to remove Horse from the supply chain in for most meat and fresh ready meals as they will have been sold or thrown away by the time it starts meaning we will never know what the extent of what has happened mean while how do all the people sold horse meat get refunds under the trade description act etc maybe Tesco should look on club card history and send a £10 voucher to anyone buying the contaminated ready meals in the last year
In fact how long has this gone on???
I believe Tesco etc knew what was going on but they have such good lawyers they will be immune.
The fact that the EU wide testing wont start for 2 weeks which gives time to remove Horse from the supply chain in for most meat and fresh ready meals as they will have been sold or thrown away by the time it starts meaning we will never know what the extent of what has happened mean while how do all the people sold horse meat get refunds under the trade description act etc maybe Tesco should look on club card history and send a £10 voucher to anyone buying the contaminated ready meals in the last year
In fact how long has this gone on???
13 February 2013, 10:57 PM
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14 February 2013, 06:47 AM
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Thats one point, but as far as i am concerned it creates a lack of trust in everything we buy.
Is it safe is just a distraction from the real argument - How could this happen??
Whats the point in all this food control when the system fails in this way, and for how long has this being going on??
Is it safe is just a distraction from the real argument - How could this happen??
Whats the point in all this food control when the system fails in this way, and for how long has this being going on??
14 February 2013, 09:48 PM
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Spanghero seem to be copping the flack at the moment. Such brilliant statements as
No **** Sherlock!
Investigation suggests adulteration was not accidental but the work of a criminal conspiracy
14 February 2013, 10:24 PM
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I dont buy or eat this crap so am not personally impacted by it. Here's the thing though, the testing being carried out is DNA testing, this is not capable of detemining which parts of the horse have been incorporated into the product, there is every possibility that horse offal is the bulking agent.
The food standards agency are being very quiet at present, while local farmers have to account for their produce from "feedstock to fork", there seems to be a more lax attitude adopted towards the big supermarkets. Lamb is the next most expensive mainstream red meat - wonder what DNA testing will reveal that being cut with.
As a colleague said to me this morning, he had tesco's meat ***** for dinner last night, they really were the dogs bollox.
The food standards agency are being very quiet at present, while local farmers have to account for their produce from "feedstock to fork", there seems to be a more lax attitude adopted towards the big supermarkets. Lamb is the next most expensive mainstream red meat - wonder what DNA testing will reveal that being cut with.
As a colleague said to me this morning, he had tesco's meat ***** for dinner last night, they really were the dogs bollox.
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14 February 2013, 10:39 PM
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pretty sure they said to be at risk of the chems being a problem you needed to have eaten 750+ burgers of 100% horse meat that has been contaminate and within a 12 month period. I seriously doubt anyone has eaten half that amount.
as usual press blowing one detail up but ignoring the rest important bits.
as usual press blowing one detail up but ignoring the rest important bits.