chopperman

Mine was quite a complicated case as it was a Car bought from a subaru dealer with a subaru proven warranty. The car was modded before i bought it but the dealer had no records of the modds. I had quite a bit of homework to do proving it was modded by the previous owner who sold the car to the dealer which is why it took so long for me. hopefully your case is far more straight forward.

Rui brazao

Warranty has declined because the car was modified and have now contacted the trader and told him he has to fix it legally and he is saying that my bad driving has caused the car to break and that it was fine for 300+ miles and that he is a millionaire and I have no chance in court what a pric*. I have quoted the law, he keeps telling me that I will never win in court.

chopperman

He is calling your bluff. The next step is to price up the repair with components that make the car fit for purpose ie forged. You can insist on this as the car was sold to you modified and subaru claim the standard engine is not strong enough for modifications.
Start legal proceedings immediately through the small claims court for the sum of money needed to cover the bill and all expenses.
99 out of 100 times the company will pay up before it goes to court as they will not want a CCJ against them.

chopperman

PM sent.

Rui brazao

Because I bought the car on finance I have to get the finance to look at it first. But I know he is bluffing I actually thought that he was a nice guy(not many of those left in this world).

chopperman

Buying it on finance may have been a smart move under the circumstances. As it is they own the car which is now broken. You could just chuck the car back at them normally. The part that may be tricky is you px'ed a car. You may have to take the dealer to court to re-claim that cars worth.
people are only nice when money is going in their direction. There not so nice when it needs to flow in the opposite direction.

You need to stress to the finance company that the dealer sold you a modified car with a warranty but the warranty is void due to the modifications on the car you purchased.

Rui brazao

The car I px is only worth £1500. As a business man myself I would never go against my word and would do the right thing. Have told the finance company that the warranty has declined for the car being modified. Hoping they sort it out soon miss the car already.

lordharding

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If it went to court I'm sure judge would q
Award in your favour
Seems clear cut to me
2weeks old
Engine packed up
Warrenty void as modified
Misold a warrenty that was worthless
On finace helps as they are now jointly liable
You get your £1500 and costs so jobs a good one

And salemans are always nice untill they get a sale

GeeDee

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Dodgy advice in my opinion. You can't expect a warranty to cough up to improve your car whether or not the standard engine is strong enough.

I would suggest you get one of the specialists, eg API, to price up a standard fix with a view to upgrading at your cost. I've been at API's when an insurance agent has been investigating and, in my opinion, it's not worth the risk of any claim being thrown out.

However, it seems your issue is with the trader who mis-sold you the car with worthless warranty - check the wording on the warranty as to when any mods were carried out.

Just a word of warning, which I wasn't aware of until too late, forged pistons, when cold, rattle like an old london cab - it's sooooo embarrassing until it warms up.

Good Luck

chopperman

WTF?? who said anything about getting the warranty company to cough up for improving the engine with stronger parts ?
Im talking about the dealer coughing up to make the car fit for purpose. The chap bought a car that was modified. IM state the engine is taken beyond its design brief if modified so a standard repair according to subaru themselves is not good enough. The only permanent fix that makes the modified car he bought fit for purpose is forged pistons. Using standard parts is not a fix.
There is nothing dodgy about my advice mate. I was in the same situation as the op and used this argument myself. The dealer paid to have my engine forged so you could say i am speaking from experience.

Oh and my forged pistons don't rattle when cold . 2618 may rattle but there more for racing than road use. For road cars its best to use 4032. Also the wording on the warranty regarding when the car was modified IE before the warranty was taken out will not matter. Ive been up that road mate. The dealer broke the rules selling the warranty on a modified car so the problem now rests with the dealer not the warranty company.

GeeDee

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OK, missed the point about the dealer stumping up. Still think you're pushing your luck even though you managed to succeed previously.

Did you have a re-bore prior to forged pistons and so they were properly sized or were they installed in an "old" bore which had just been honed because the engine was out anyway?

chopperman

I had the bores re-bored to size the new piston in to the correct tolerances mate. 0028" piston to bore clearance in my case. My engine is as quiet as it was this the stock pistons as far as my hearing can tell.

My point is for a vehicle to be fit for purpose it needs to have an exceptable life span and safety margin. To fix with parts that have already proven to be inadequate is not a fix. The car was modified at the time of purchase so should be capable of being reliable. If it is not. it is not fit for purpose. The dealer also mis sold the warranty.
I will be very interested to see what this chaps finance company's stance is .

Rui brazao

Good news guys finally got the go ahead for the car. Thanks for all the advice and help, you guys have been brilliant. Can't wait to have the car in perfect working order.

chopperman

Come on mate spill the beans? what happened, who's paying and are they forging it?

chocolate_o_brian

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This. We need to know

Rui brazao

Forged pistons going in for sure. Don't want that problem re-occurring. Warranty wise is dealing with it. If anyone needs warranty they are soon doing it for modified uk cars my car is the guinea pig for the new policy. The trader managed to speak to the CEO of warranty wise to get something sorted for modified cars. Will let u guys know once I get more info.

AndyBaker

Flipping eck mate good result and at the end of it the warranty company might have just found a lovely little niche market

chopperman

Fantastic mate, well done. Its great to see someone get what they are deserved. I pushed and got it, now you have too.

Rui brazao

Any idea what pistons I should put in? Should I do the con rods also?

chopperman

I used Mahle 4032 powerpak. Standard STi rods are good for 400-450 max bhp but if you can get them to fork out for forged rods then go for it mate. Dont forget to have the std head bolts replaced with 11mm ARP studs. This eliminates head gasket issues, cosworth stopper head gaskets are the best too.

Markyscoob

Guys...2 weeks was good.

The 2.5 engine can NEVER take 1.6BAR of boost for long. I'm surprised it was mapped this way frankly. That is well known by now.

Basically 1.2 is about all you should put through the standard engine. It's a semi closed ceck block with effectively an STi steel crank on WRX pistons and rods. Never meant for competition or modifying.

A Stock mechainial car can produce 1.5-1.6BAr at 3-3,500rpm tailing off to 1.0BAR at 7,000rpm. This gives a true 350-355BHP and 440-460nM depending on temperaure and pressure and dyno error.

What it wil lalso do is cause the head bolts to stretch and lift the heads up making the O.E. head gaskets fail. The No 4 piston will also get hotter than it should and this is where the rings tend to fail...so I've been told many a time.

Mine had started to do this due to a Mungo Re-map when I bought it.

Solved by our good friend Alan Jeffery. Not cheap but it's a super smooth running beast now and can handle all thae standard turbo can give (see above) and is ready for 500bhp if I upgrade turbo and intercooler in the future.

Studs, bearings, rods and Pistons. Fully rebuilt and Mapped by Martyn.

Can't recommend them highly enough.

chopperman

There is truth in what you say regarding a standard 2.5 engine except the wrx piston are not the same as sti (not saying their better) and the 2.5 crank is great and fit for bhp way,way above standard. Standard boost on a 316 ppp map was about 1.2-1.3 bar. Forged pistons and good quality head studs makes the 2.5 safe at 400-450bhp.

Rui brazao

Hi guys finally got the car in the garage. Fitting cosworth pistons, head gaskets and studs. Also getting it remapped. Can't wait to get it back. Should be all done within 2 weeks.

chopperman

Great news mate. Who's paying, the garage that sold the car or the warranty company??

Rui brazao

The warranty company.

Rui brazao

How do I post pictures here? As I toke some pictures.

chopperman

Best thing is to upload picks to a site like photobucket then paste the IMG link of the pic to your post here.

chopperman

Thats one hell of a result getting the warranty company to pay out. I thought you would hit a brick wall there and going for the dealer would of been your best chance. Well done

Osimabu

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I hope the warranty company then pursue the dealer for the full cost. He deserves to be made to pay for all the trouble he's put the OP to.

ae82mad

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Good result. Well done.