+1 emmas wrx bug got 278bhp with a decat and 3 port boost solenoid it has uprated pump but not sure it needed it.

still on wrx top mount though.

 

 

Very true. In fact i think it was Saab put cat heaters on their cars to bring the cat upto temp quicker.

 

So your telling ne my old classic mini could of killed me because it didnt have a cat fitted


Blah blah ****ing blah

 

So you dispute the effects of benzine in unleaded fuel? My bet is you did zero research before posting !
I dont think i said anywhere the effects would be immediate. Cancer can take many years.

 

Im stating you said if we take our cats off were going to suffer from benzine poisoning
So what about all the people that are driving classic cars
Most have been converted with hardend valve seats
So run on unleded but dont have cats fitted

 

i think chopperman is trying to say a decat car wont pass an mot and could be harmful to your health.

both are technically correct, but as said before most people that have had modded imprezas for a number of years like myself know a friendly mot tester.
as for the emmisions ill take the risk as they cant be that harmful as a lot of engines dont use cats like mowers etc.

decatting is to gain power, which it achieves.

 

I understand that but cant get my head round the bit about fumes entering the cabin


Best get a cat or cats fitted to tge fishing boat i work on as ny bed is right next to tge engine room and thats a 1300 hp turbo aftercooled derv
It dont even have silencers

 

Soon people will want to ban 2 stroke engines as they burn oil as lubrication!!

 

i agree they wont, fumes from a cat equiped car will still harm you anyway.

 

And i have not disagreed with that or the fact many vehicles/engines use LRP that were never fitted with cats. Still doesn't detract from the fact uncalilized fumes from fuel that contains benzine is carcinogenic which was the only point i was making. Whether the high polution in the cabin is from the vehicle your driving or the other cars in the traffic is for the most part irrelevant. We all breath the same air !

 

Diesel engines dont use unleaded petrol which contains the benzine.

 

so cat or no cat the ****** in the impreza in front (as it has more bhp due to a decat ) is poisoning you anyway.

 

More than likely. Out of interest, any of you know the power difference between a de-cat and 100cell sport cat ?

 

no idea but my decat pipe was far cheaper

 

only by £100. Now factor in the inconvenience of fitting a cat for the test once a year if you know no friendly testers. I think the testers i know would wont that much as a bribe to fiddle the test

 

Most people forget it was only legal for a car to have a cat fitted after 1992 and i haven't heard of people dying from fumes then, (unless they used the hosepipe option).

 

so it was cheaper, added more power and caused me no problems mot wise.

its all win plus i still have the original cat too.

if mot is your issue just join a local club and they will point you in the direction of a subaru friendly mot station.

its a performance mod, people go to great lengths to get that bit extra.

as asda say

every little helps............

 

Mmmm i just pay the test at trade price. But thats not the point. If i really thought my one car with a cat on would make a difference id fit one. There so many other engines running every day that arnt subject to any emmissions tests at all that i dont see the point

 

of course it wont, chopperman knows it too he is just being obtuse.

 

Benzene increases the risk of cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a notorious cause of bone marrow failure. Substantial quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities.[44][45] The specific hematologic malignancies that benzene is associated with include: acute myeloid leukemia (AML), aplastic anemia, myleodysplastic syndrome (MDS), acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), and chronic myeloid leukemia (CML).[46]

The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that "it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero."[47] The US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) classifies benzene as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure to excessive levels of benzene in the air causes leukemia, a potentially fatal cancer of the blood-forming organs, in susceptible individuals. In particular, Acute myeloid leukemia or acute nonlymphocytic leukemia (AML & ANLL) is not disputed to be caused by benzene.[48] IARC rated benzene as "known to be carcinogenic to humans" (Group 1).

Human exposure to benzene is a global health problem.[vague] Benzene targets liver, kidney, lung, heart and the brain and can cause DNA strand breaks, chromosomal damage, etc. Benzene causes cancer in both animals and humans. Benzene has been shown to cause cancer in both sexes of multiple species of laboratory animals exposed via various routes.[49][50]

Some women who inhaled high levels of benzene for many months had irregular menstrual periods and a decrease in the size of their ovaries. Benzene exposure has been linked directly to the neural birth defects spina bifida and anencephaly.[51] Men exposed to high levels of benzene are more likely to have an abnormal amount of chromosomes in their sperm, which impacts fertility and fetal development.[52]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene#Health_effects

Thank got we all dont drive de-catted cars. I blame the government for allowing this type of fuel. I do my part by running a sport cat, even if it means sacrificing a few bhp's. That's face it, where not talking a lot of power difference here.

 

Don't forget people, de-cat also means flames

 

me and emma both have decat imprezas and have 5 healthy children between us

if you took notice of most of this crap you would live in a hut living on bread and water

 

Me ???

 

But the poor bloke down the road is firing blanks for reasons unknown

 

I burn maybe a tank a fuel a month in my car yes de catted. Yet i burn two gallons a day in a generator. 5 days a week. So give or take 40gallons a month.

My point being id be better off have a cat fittted and emmisions test on my generator

 

You are correct, the standard fuel pump and intercooler are plenty good enough to run late 200's
However, the car is now 11 years old. A uprated fuel pump is £50, its merely a safety thing. Its something I always suggest when increasing the performance and for £50 you'd be crazy not to do it. Fuel pump failure or part failure can have devastating effects.
Intercooler wise, again not essential but its a relatively cheap upgrade of another important part. The cooler you can get the air the better and you may even squeeze an extra couple of ponies with it.

 

 

I'm not thinking of fitting one as my car came with decat already done but is there a tried and rested sports cat which people use on here that actually passes an mot test? In my gt four days quite a few lads bought the SARD sports cat for the st205's and I think most of them failed the mot anyway lol

Mick

 

Sound a bit like Texas gun logic. Solve the gun problem with more guns !