Teachers - stuck in the Dark Ages
30 March 2013, 07:29 PM
#31
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Hmmm...... Here we go again!
Post threshold pay progression is assessed, therefore not automatic, two pay increases a year, well my pay has been frozen for the last 4 years with no pay rise, my pension contributions have gone up (yes I admit it is still a good scheme) to give me a lower pension later in life.
TLR payments come with extra responsibility and therefore workload.
How many times in the last two weeks have you been called a P***k or a C**t by 13 to 16 year old kids who are allowed to do it as we have no powers to exclude?
As for holidays.... I'll be marking 24 A Level projects at around 1 hour each plus 60 sets of GCSE coursework at around 30 mins each plus the 50 year 10s controlled assessments at 30 mins each. Not to mention the 'normal' class work these holidays. I make that at least 79 hrs work these holidays. I'll get so much time with my family!
Post threshold pay progression is assessed, therefore not automatic, two pay increases a year, well my pay has been frozen for the last 4 years with no pay rise, my pension contributions have gone up (yes I admit it is still a good scheme) to give me a lower pension later in life.
TLR payments come with extra responsibility and therefore workload.
How many times in the last two weeks have you been called a P***k or a C**t by 13 to 16 year old kids who are allowed to do it as we have no powers to exclude?
As for holidays.... I'll be marking 24 A Level projects at around 1 hour each plus 60 sets of GCSE coursework at around 30 mins each plus the 50 year 10s controlled assessments at 30 mins each. Not to mention the 'normal' class work these holidays. I make that at least 79 hrs work these holidays. I'll get so much time with my family!
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Last edited by SRSport; 30 March 2013 at 07:31 PM.
30 March 2013, 07:30 PM
#32
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<sigh> I've told you before Pete, the marking wasn't done in the Caribbean. I couldn't fit it all in the Porsche 
Plus AGAIN you just don't seem to understand what is in the contract of employment. But you ARE old, and you're ****-stirring (for a change
) so I'll go in to in a bit of depth as (a) you don't actually care about the facts, (b) I don't actually care what you think, (c) my G&T is running low
This 26 hours your refer to is "contact" time. ie in front of the "kids". Aside from the fact that for each hour of contact time, another hour is usually required to initially devise the lesson, and subsequently amend/update/upgrade the same lesson (due to changes in curriculum, and SHOCK/HORROR...... updates to theories and practices in the real world )
There's also the marking/continual assessment, which again, is usually a minimum of 2hrs per hour delivered.
And then generic paperwork and pastoral care on top of that.
Now, the usual contract of employment is circa 37.5 hrs per week.
A thicky at maths can work out that this totals up to more than that.
Now before all the sensationalists jump on the bandwagon, yes, there are some percs for working in excess of the contracted hours - pay isn't bad, holidays are pretty good too. And you'll find that teachers don't actually complain about the workload vs contract. What irks them somewhat is the simple lack of being given the right tools and time to do the job at hand.
In all seriousness (for a brief second!) and refer to FE for a second - it is common practice for colleges to ignore the recommended guidelines for a subject delivery. eg a unit/subject on a course should take 60 GLH (guided learning hours). A common practice and union-accepted "gimme" is that the unit can be delivered in 54 GLH (10% saving)..... this has been pushed down and down to about 51.5- 52 GLH....... yikes. And THIS will explain why there's a lot of full-time courses that only last 2.5 per week! And this can also apply to certain GCSE deliveries.
So the "teacher" gets shafted on delivery time, the student/kid gets shafted on the learning experience and value of the qualification. This makes working "conditions" almost unworkable, as nobody wins. All because the budgets need to be adhered to.
So before you start complaining about teachers, look a bit higher up the food chain and FULLY understand WHY educators are getting p1ssed off.
Now ,referring back to the role, I fully agree that it's a good earner - especially if you know what you're doing But it's not as black & white as some people would have you believe.
Now you can see that the Educators who contribute to this thread are also replying out of a simply duty of care to the academically "challenged", as it's a "raison d'etre" to keep plugging away and assisting those who find concepts hard to understand..... ie being a teacher
Anyhoo, now bored. G&T beckons.
Plus AGAIN you just don't seem to understand what is in the contract of employment. But you ARE old, and you're ****-stirring (for a change
) so I'll go in to in a bit of depth as (a) you don't actually care about the facts, (b) I don't actually care what you think, (c) my G&T is running low This 26 hours your refer to is "contact" time. ie in front of the "kids". Aside from the fact that for each hour of contact time, another hour is usually required to initially devise the lesson, and subsequently amend/update/upgrade the same lesson (due to changes in curriculum, and SHOCK/HORROR...... updates to theories and practices in the real world
)There's also the marking/continual assessment, which again, is usually a minimum of 2hrs per hour delivered.
And then generic paperwork and pastoral care on top of that.
Now, the usual contract of employment is circa 37.5 hrs per week.
A thicky at maths can work out that this totals up to more than that.
Now before all the sensationalists jump on the bandwagon, yes, there are some percs for working in excess of the contracted hours - pay isn't bad, holidays are pretty good too. And you'll find that teachers don't actually complain about the workload vs contract. What irks them somewhat is the simple lack of being given the right tools and time to do the job at hand.
In all seriousness (for a brief second!) and refer to FE for a second - it is common practice for colleges to ignore the recommended guidelines for a subject delivery. eg a unit/subject on a course should take 60 GLH (guided learning hours). A common practice and union-accepted "gimme" is that the unit can be delivered in 54 GLH (10% saving)..... this has been pushed down and down to about 51.5- 52 GLH....... yikes. And THIS will explain why there's a lot of full-time courses that only last 2.5 per week! And this can also apply to certain GCSE deliveries.
So the "teacher" gets shafted on delivery time, the student/kid gets shafted on the learning experience and value of the qualification. This makes working "conditions" almost unworkable, as nobody wins. All because the budgets need to be adhered to.
So before you start complaining about teachers, look a bit higher up the food chain and FULLY understand WHY educators are getting p1ssed off.
Now ,referring back to the role, I fully agree that it's a good earner - especially if you know what you're doing
But it's not as black & white as some people would have you believe.Now you can see that the Educators who contribute to this thread are also replying out of a simply duty of care to the academically "challenged", as it's a "raison d'etre" to keep plugging away and assisting those who find concepts hard to understand..... ie being a teacher
Anyhoo, now bored. G&T beckons.
30 March 2013, 08:11 PM
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Teachers chose to be teachers, I chose to be a plumber. Fact is they chose to put theirselves in that job. Our prices as a new build plumber have gone through the floor over the last 8-10 years,we work in all sorts of turdy conditions sun,rain snow. Yes we whine and moan about it, but I chose this profession, but let's face it, we're just about keeping our heads above water in terms of economy, we just need to get on with it, we've had no rises or perks for years and it doesn't look like its going to change anytime soon so these teachers need to wake up and smell the bacon, private sector workers have been hit hard for years, the government need to make cuts and savings, YOU ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLE!!! Yes you do a very good job and yes it's very important but do we really want to end up like the Greeks demanding more and more and then watch as our economy drops quicker than Katie Prices pants.
03 April 2013, 10:20 AM
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03 April 2013, 12:02 PM
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So, they want better pay, better working conditions, and fewer hours of teaching, paid sabaticals to 'refresh', and all against a backdrop of a recession, or they'll strike.
Rrrrrrrriiiiight.
Rrrrrrrriiiiight.
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