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just seen all the protests about this which is due to come into force tommorow.
anyone else think its actually a good thing.
if you want an extra room get of your *** and get a job like the rest of us.
the benefits system is supposed to be a safety net not to provide luxuries to the lazy and feckless.
anyone else think its actually a good thing.
if you want an extra room get of your *** and get a job like the rest of us.
the benefits system is supposed to be a safety net not to provide luxuries to the lazy and feckless.
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The women in the papers son died at Hillsboro and she has kept his room as a shrine to him, she dosnt work and is going to be £20 a week worse off. Im sorry but just because he died at Hillsboro does not give you a serious case. If you want to stay in the house take the hit in your own pocket or why not give working a go
I remember my great gran living in a huge three, possibly Four bed council house, she lived in just the ground floor as she couldnt do stairs so, all those rooms for twenty or so years were wasted. I can see why they need to do this, to encourage people to move to more suitable accomodation so they can use the housing more effectively.
It does need to be done with some delicacy though, even though people dont own the house, it is still their home and may have been for decades, they may uproot people from communities and drop them in another, imagine being an elderely white widow and getting plonked in an area that is mainly young ethnic minorities.
I can see the point but there are so many individual circumstances it is difficult to see the possible impact.
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That was my point, i was in no way sticking up for her. I have extended family that are work shy and it makes my blood boil that they get paid to go to the centre to sign on every 2 weeks.
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It's not just the unemployed that live in social housing. Some peope who live in council houses have well paid jobs and could afford to buy there own but choose the cheap rent and maintenance instead. Council houses were supposed to be for people in need.
It use to wind me up when i first bought a house. I was young and under the Thatcher government got stitched up with interest rates. I tried to do the right thing in buying a house and that left me without a pot to p1ss in each month. I would see all the nice new cars parked on the council house driveways as they enjoyed cheap rent. Then the real kick in the teeth was the "right to buy" that came out. These same people were offered there council houses at a fraction of the private market price. Many of these people took up the offer only to sell later on for market value and make a fortune, while i still struggled with continuing mortgage interest rate rises. I knew one person who bought there large council house with huge front a rear garden for 11k. This plot must have been half an acre. A couple of years later she sold up to a developer for 200K.
It use to wind me up when i first bought a house. I was young and under the Thatcher government got stitched up with interest rates. I tried to do the right thing in buying a house and that left me without a pot to p1ss in each month. I would see all the nice new cars parked on the council house driveways as they enjoyed cheap rent. Then the real kick in the teeth was the "right to buy" that came out. These same people were offered there council houses at a fraction of the private market price. Many of these people took up the offer only to sell later on for market value and make a fortune, while i still struggled with continuing mortgage interest rate rises. I knew one person who bought there large council house with huge front a rear garden for 11k. This plot must have been half an acre. A couple of years later she sold up to a developer for 200K.
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The above is what irks me. People either get the cheap council rent with a well paid job and don't move, when it is there for low earners/low income families to help them. Or they receive benefits and have a nice new/performance car outside
How does that work as I'd have thought a means tested system would only allow people with low income to live in social housing. Obviously people are free to spend their earnings on whatever they want but that isn't the point I'm trying to make
How does that work as I'd have thought a means tested system would only allow people with low income to live in social housing. Obviously people are free to spend their earnings on whatever they want but that isn't the point I'm trying to make
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I know less than nothing about this situation but will the scummers not just have more kids and fill the rooms they have and possibly upgrade costing the "tax payer" more money in the long run because of this? Meaning yet again the people at work and those who are using the benefit system correctly are the ones losing out?
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I know less than nothing about this situation but will the scummers not just have more kids and fill the rooms they have and possibly upgrade costing the "tax payer" more money in the long run because of this? Meaning yet again the people at work and those who are using the benefit system correctly are the ones losing out?
I'm all for benefit reforms, but even I don't think this is a good idea.
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It seems like that to me. I can just see how this will hit people on low incomes in social housing, yet the ones who choose a life on benefits and see kids as a means to an end will just carry on as they were. They are not going to be plunged into poverty, so how will this work with people on full benefits/no income? You can't take what they don't have.....
I'm all for benefit reforms, but even I don't think this is a good idea.
I'm all for benefit reforms, but even I don't think this is a good idea.
having 15 kids is no longer an option as they have now capped benefits too.
also the new test for the "bad back" claimants are having some effect as a large majority of these lazy ***** didnt even bother going to be assesed so will have their benefits cut.
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Its just another way to throw in an extra tax source no doubt thinking that we won't actually notice it or that we accept the reasoning that they have produced in an effort to excuse it.
They were saying that the tax relief for millionaires saves them about £2K a week! Is that really true?
Les
They were saying that the tax relief for millionaires saves them about £2K a week! Is that really true?
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They got it completely wrong in my opinion.
It shouldn't go by the number of rooms, but by the amount of housing benefit.
With these new rules, somebody living in a high rent area in a one bedroom flat getting lets say £1000/per month in housing benefit won't have to pay anything.
However somebody living in a low rent area in a two or three bedroom house receiving £400/month in benefit will have to pay.
Looks to me that the better the area the less they have to pay back.
I reckon if they put a cap on benefit instead, then pay back a percentage for anything above the cap, it would be so much fairer.
It shouldn't go by the number of rooms, but by the amount of housing benefit.
With these new rules, somebody living in a high rent area in a one bedroom flat getting lets say £1000/per month in housing benefit won't have to pay anything.
However somebody living in a low rent area in a two or three bedroom house receiving £400/month in benefit will have to pay.
Looks to me that the better the area the less they have to pay back.
I reckon if they put a cap on benefit instead, then pay back a percentage for anything above the cap, it would be so much fairer.
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I assumed that if you were being paid a millionaire's salary than it was pretty likely that is what you can be classed as being.
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