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Old 08 April 2013, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Pressumably you are not making a crass comparison between Thatcherism and National Socialism?
Are you really this stupid?
Old 09 April 2013, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yes of course I do, but what the hell does that have to do with the sh1te you posted about Thatcher? Who the hell are you to judge me? You of nearly all the posters on this froum have no basis to judge my views on anything. You just post pseudo intellectual babble in a desperate efffort to make yoursefl sound clever when everyone can see you don't have two cohesive thoughts to rub together!

Now for your strained brain here are some facts.

Scargill and Thatcher did for the miners in equal measures.

Yes she fought back agaunst the unions, but of course went way too far and killed off a large proportion of our manufacturing industry and almost all mining and shipbuilding not to mention steel.

She sold off hafl the country for way less than it was worth, frittered the money away and installed a selfish streak in society that still exists today.

Lets not even talk about her black economy and 3.5 million unemployed and the start of the welfare state perpetuated and grown into a lifestyle choice by that other feckless moron Blair!

Anyway she is dead and gone and she certainly won't be missed by me!
It's a staggering lack of insight you show.

How much of the industry you mention was completely unsustainable?

How much of the ecomomy was being hopelessly run by government and costing everyone a fortune?

She did some really important things, if she hadn't, somebody else would have had to later on. and at a much greater cost in terms of unemployment and hardship
Old 09 April 2013, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Are you really this stupid?
You said it, now justify it
Old 09 April 2013, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I saw this and thought Myra Hindley, Eva Braun, Elena Ceausescu, Emelda Marcos, Rosemary West,

Disgusting really that you put a democratically elected leader of our country ahead of these
SN has become even more low brow by the look of it Martin.
Abandon ship! Abandon ship!Abandon ship!
Old 09 April 2013, 07:52 AM
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Love her or loath her, she was a strong leader and opinions will always be divided.

RIP Maggie
Old 09 April 2013, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You said it, now justify it
No, one of the creeds I live by is if people are too dumb to understand what I write or say then that's their problem!
Old 09 April 2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
It's a staggering lack of insight you show.

How much of the industry you mention was completely unsustainable?

How much of the ecomomy was being hopelessly run by government and costing everyone a fortune?

She did some really important things, if she hadn't, somebody else would have had to later on. and at a much greater cost in terms of unemployment and hardship
The only thing that is staggering is your blnkered view of reality. I doubt you were even old enough tio remember the late 70s/early 80s properly. You probably read it in your Tory book of British history or some other work of fiction!
Old 09 April 2013, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The only thing that is staggering is your blnkered view of reality. I doubt you were even old enough tio remember the late 70s/early 80s properly. You probably read it in your Tory book of British history or some other work of fiction!
back then British Industry was being run by a group of feckless morons and employed lazy ***** who liked nothing more than sitting on their fat ***** doing as little as possible.

Maggies legacy is that she changed both of these things.

her problem was being stabbed in the back by said feckless morons before she could finish the job of educating the lazy *****.

All still very apparent today.
Old 09 April 2013, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jasey
back then British Industry was being run by a group of feckless morons and employed lazy ***** who liked nothing more than sitting on their fat ***** doing as little as possible.

Maggies legacy is that she changed both of these things.
Rather than replace said lazy ******* she closed down the whole industry. That's the thing, she changed them. she didn't fix them, even the people who did their bit and who weren't lazy suffered under her.
Old 09 April 2013, 09:51 AM
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You have ask yourself, why have the French still got a car industry
Old 09 April 2013, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
You have ask yourself, why have the French still got a car industry
Maybe because they didn't sell theirs abroad like we did?
Old 09 April 2013, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
You have ask yourself, why have the French still got a car industry
Government subsidies.
Old 09 April 2013, 10:03 AM
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She was a shop keeper who liked the idea of power and decided we could run the whole country from the city.
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Originally Posted by Mouser
Government subsidies.
Are you saying it hasn't worked?
Old 09 April 2013, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Are you saying it hasn't worked?
I am suggesting it has worked because of government subsidies.
Old 09 April 2013, 10:18 AM
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We're also buying our leccy off them since we didn't bother to replace coal with anything
Old 09 April 2013, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
I am suggesting it has worked because of government subsidies.
is that an argument for or against government subsidies?
Old 09 April 2013, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jasey
back then British Industry was being run by a group of feckless morons and employed lazy ***** who liked nothing more than sitting on their fat ***** doing as little as possible.

Maggies legacy is that she changed both of these things.
As said by others she just got rid of them, she didn't fix anything!

Her legacy is the sh1thole of a country we now live in.
Old 09 April 2013, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
I am suggesting it has worked because of government subsidies.
Yep, they still have a car industry and it employs thousands of people. You can argue about the economics all you like, but the fact is there are French and German cars sold all over the world today whereas not a single British owned brand remains.
Old 09 April 2013, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
We're also buying our leccy off them since we didn't bother to replace coal with anything
That and she sold of all the utlity companies for buttons to buy a few votes
Old 09 April 2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Every ******* channel loaded with tributes


FFS
She did more for the UK than Diana ever did and look what happened when she died ffs....
Old 09 April 2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
As said by others she just got rid of them, she didn't fix anything!

Her legacy is the sh1thole of a country we now live in.
Spot on ...
She killed mining communities in one foul stroke and only went to war with Argentina to boost her own profile,she didn't even negotiate with the argies to try to prevent more bloodshed .....
Old 09 April 2013, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
As said by others she just got rid of them, she didn't fix anything!

Her legacy is the sh1thole of a country we now live in.
Here's a decent summary of what she inherited / left behind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22076886
Old 09 April 2013, 11:29 AM
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She did leave a social acceptance of self, self, self which I think has irrevocably damaged society and made it more unpleasant for so many people. Greed is common currency from champagne bankers to welfare claimants.

dl
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You think she single-handedly did that?
Old 09 April 2013, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, they still have a car industry and it employs thousands of people. You can argue about the economics all you like, but the fact is there are French and German cars sold all over the world today whereas not a single British owned brand remains.
You're naievety over what actually caused the demise of the British car industry and heavy industry generally does not surprise me.
Old 09 April 2013, 11:45 AM
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I'm IRISH , nuff said !
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
is that an argument for or against government subsidies?
Neither.

Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, they still have a car industry and it employs thousands of people. You can argue about the economics all you like, but the fact is there are French and German cars sold all over the world today whereas not a single British owned brand remains.
They still have a car industry but what is it costing them?
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
As said by others she just got rid of them, she didn't fix anything!

Her legacy is the sh1thole of a country we now live in.
You of course remember the greater sh!thole the country was in before she came into power; mountains of uncollected refuse, unburied dead, constant power cuts, widespread public sector strikes by an unelected power holding the country/Government to ransom which only accelerated their own demise. Britain was in massive decline.

As for the UK car industry, mass produced British cars were crap beyond belief! We now occasionally joke about French build quality and them falling a part, but all the mass produced ****e that came out of Layland for example were so poorly built they made French cars look like Bentleys. Who here has put their money where their mouth is and actually bought a Rover or an Austin/Leyland or Reliant motor to support the mass produced British car industry, very few if any (since this is a Subaru site!!). The growth in the Japanese car market was the final nail in the coffin for the British car industry.
Old 09 April 2013, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
You of course remember the greater sh!thole the country was in before she came into power; mountains of uncollected refuse, unburied dead, constant power cuts, widespread public sector strikes by an unelected power holding the country/Government to ransom which only accelerated their own demise. Britain was in massive decline.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about what Thatcher's government left us with. It's always the same with supporters of either of the two main parties. They can only see two ways the way of their chosen party or the evil and worse way of the other party making the way of their party the best choice.

The truth is that there are many different ways the country could have gone... too late now as we are f**ked, but hey ho!


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