f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

The "it was going to happen anyway" argument no doubt. Funny how everything bad that happened in the 80s would have happened anyway and everything good that happened was as a direct result of St Maggie! Give me a f**king break!

dpb

Yes her legacy on foreign policy was , respect what we do and say

Because we're British


Oh , and buy our weapons please



http://world.time.com/2013/04/08/mar...de-of-history/

David Lock

Let's say she was a major contributor.

dl

jonc

Have you ever owned a massed produced British car? I'm guess the answer is no, now ask yourself why didn't you buy a mass produced British car?

Devildog

Not at all - and don;t presume to put words in my mouth.

The uk car indistry was ****ed anyway. That's a fact. UK heavy industry was not competative with the rest of the world. Thats a fact too.

If you can't or don't understand that (and more importantly the reasons for it) there is no point continuing this discussion, is there?

jonc

True, but you can't go by "what if's", no one has any idea of how the state of the country will turn out 20 years down the line. Back then Thatcher did not deliberately set out to "cause" the woes you like to point out that this country is suffering now. For example, going by your logic, she encouraged private enterprise and home ownership, which I'm sure you should be grateful for. The truth is no one knows how this country would have gone whether she came into office or not.

dpb

Rover p6 v8
Capri 1600
Avenger 1300
Fiesta. 1100. (not strictly mine)
Vauxhall astra 1600


Then I had citroen xsara -cos who the **** would want to own a crumbling Austin rover maestro
Another company sold down the pan.


In between was an impreza (funnily enough )

And I have a mondeo estate now

dpb

Of course she encouraged private enterprise, it's what her parents did -public ownership could be privately snapped up by her comrades in arms ,

The encouraging everyone (including council tenants ) means houses become a commodity to buy sell and take credit card loans out against . And no council places for those who need it

Et wallah suddenly were all 'rich'. , only encouraged further by lying labour/ tb liar

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Avenger 1300 eh? Thats just got me thinking about the French car industry in the 70's.

Wasn't it the French government that caused AMC to fold, after AMC had invested heavily in Renault/Talbot etc.?

Was DeLorean Thatcher's fault?

Should Rover/BMC have stayed state owned? And why was car manufacturing protected yet motorcycle manufacturing left out to rot?

jonc

There's your answer!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Hated so much yet was repeated re-elected! Stange that!

Fact is amongst Birtish voters...those who hated her were in a minority.

dpb

I think it was actually talbot/chrysler as opposed to hillman, but im not sure can't remember reg now

Chip

The lefties always seem to forget about that don't they.

Chip

Rover was an old dinosaur that was badly managed and had a very militant workforce who were always out on strike over petty matters. Oh, and they made a crap product as well.

Chip

Why selfish. Instead wallowing in their own self pity maybe some could get up off their fat ***** and do something with their sad little lives. Its always someone elses fault isn't it. Far to easy to sit back, whinge and blame others.

I left school in 76 with not a qualification to my name but I worked hard to get what I have today. In fact I am posting this sat beside the pool in a £4m villa in marbella where I am holidaying with my family.

dpb

Is the whole rigmarole over yet, is there any real news.?

I'm not turning on yet

trails

iTrader: (41)

I wonder how many of those referring to her as a bitch or satan are actually old enough to have been alive during her tenure as PM...ignorant students cheering her death boils my **** and entertains me all at once. Ejiits.

Interesting to find out how old those cussing her on this thread are...

dpb

Why the bloody hell are you on scoobynet slumming it with the rest of us

paulr

Erm........no. There was, and is, some uk manufacturing that is competitive. The turbine blades for the RB211 Jet engine were (and i think still are) made in Lincoln. However, that is despite, not because of Mrs Thatcher. She damaged the apprenticeship system and we are still feeling it today.

A company i know recently advertised for two skilled welders 30K. Had to take two from the Czech Republic. Scandalous.

Where i last worked, closed down. Every electrician (as long as they were time served) got a job within one day.

jasey

The surely must all be under 30.

I was recounting a story of a rover car that was sent to us as a demo (competition for the Granada Scorpio on an open day we had) to some of the youngsters in the office.

On trying to get into the car the door handle fell off.

On adjusting the seat the head rest fell off.

I was actually dissappointed when the $hit heap actually started !

As for the MG Montego turbo that tried to kill me on the tank testing circuit's adverse camber - we wont go there (That was quite fun - but I did nearly die).

Chip

I'm sitting the shade as I got burnt yesterday

warrenm2

OMG!!!! I AGREE with Martin!!!!

Yes she was the one who said that unsustainable industries could no longer survive zombie like on the public teat and took the hard decisions. The miners had a huge pension liability building up (just like several US towns at the moment that are going bankrupt for the same reason) and were being out-competed by foreign coal that was cheaper to mine than the UKs with its more challenging geology. And they were being run by a militant union, part of the same union movement that had crippled the country for the preceding 20 years. Shipbuilding was suffering from similar competitive challenges. Maggie just happened to be at the helm at the time. Similar pressures were on the US and western Europe.

Anyone arguing that we should have continued to subsidise these industries in the face of globalisation, pandered to the unions for an easy time and maintained the status quo shows what a complete idiot they are. ALL our lives would be worse under those conditions, if you thought the strikes and 3 day weeks were bad in the 70s then you are wishing for something far worse

Oh and manufacturing output only declined under Maggie for 79-81 (ie recession). Sorry to let the facts creep in here...


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02...uring_figures/

Martin2005

OK let's pull my 'blinkered view of reality' apart shall we.

What part of the situation of the 70s and 80s that I mentioned was blinkered? Are you trying to suggest that Socialist Britain of the 70s was some kind of model for how to run an economy?

It's comical that you appear to be trying to portray me as some kind of Thatcherite, I was never huge fan. I do hugely respect some the tough decisions she took.

I never voted for Thatcher, I was young and fairly radical in those days, but I grew up.

Leslie

I was very pleased to see that the Queen and Prince Philip will attend her funeral.

I think that is very fitting.

Les

his-n-her-scoobs

iTrader: (5)

Ah, the 70's. I remember 3 consecutive governments (oddly 2 of them labour) pulled apart by unions who basically ran the country (into the ground) without being elected.

r32

The workers didnt run the unions the communists did. At that time there was no vote of the members before they were called out on strike, sadly most strikes, like the miners were political and intended to bring the democratically elected Government of the day down

dpb

They'll have nodded off before they eventually push her off the aft deck

dpb

Ah yes, of course !


once a taffy always a taffy


Gone to sign on presumably

his-n-her-scoobs

iTrader: (5)

And Thatcher did something about it. Makes her unpopular with some people. Hard luck.

jonc

Privatisation reaped massive benefits too and was snapped up by everyone, not just by her "comrades in arms". The fist privatised state owned interest, British Telecoms was massively oversubscribed and millions wanted a piece of the pie. After BT was privatised, service was improved, prices came down and waiting lists for telephones (remember that one!) vanished, public phone boxes worked and faults were fixed. Some say that Thatcher made people "greedy" (that wasn't what she set out to do! but encourage people to take responsibility for themselves rather than rely on the state.), well I'd argue people were "greedy" long before Thatcher came into office as huge rush for BT shares and the prospect of increased wealth showed. And this was also the case for other privatised services such as TSB and British Gas. Thatcher moved nearly 900,000 people from the public sector to the private sector by the nineties and that is a massive saving on the public purse for the next generation, especially when you consider the current massive public sector pension black hole we will be facing.

Yes, Thatcher encouraged home ownership, but let's stop and examine this; do you own a home, have you financed anything with a mortgage and do you or have you ever used credit? Are you saying you would be better off without these facilities and not owning your own home? If not, how can you criticise what you have benefitted from?