Modern cars: b*llox technology!
02 May 2013, 11:03 PM
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Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
03 May 2013, 12:03 AM
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Myth. As many of the owners in GTR threads have said often....
03 May 2013, 08:01 AM
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Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do. The car even had a Odb data logger installed - no good...it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do. The car even had a Odb data logger installed - no good...it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
Plug in a scan tool (any scan tool )....,what does it say? "No faults stored". Utter bollocks. The ECU knows something went wrong as it cut fuel to the engine, but as its intermittent and no longer present (as the engine is no longer running, Or has since been restarted
)it has decided to ignore logging the fault codes. What's the point of EODB compliance if manufacturers don't bother to comply with it 
It wouldn't be so bad if one or two faults cause this. But it seems a whole plethora of engine actuator and sensor faults result in the engine ECU shutting down the engine.I wasted hours on a x-type that did this, and all I could show for it was a huge list of possible parts to replace ranging from £10 to £2000..none of which could be tested on the fly due the fault happening once in every blue moon, and I had already ruled out wiring loom issues (which are known due to way its routed round the engine which can chafe). It even had a ODB data logger installed...but it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
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03 May 2013, 12:57 PM
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All round I think it is one of the best cars I have owned.
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07 May 2013, 01:53 PM
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Well it wasn't a myth for this dude!
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/127250-ac...hat-i-did.html
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/127250-ac...hat-i-did.html
07 May 2013, 09:49 PM
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Most of the things that go wrong seem to be the sensors, Neutral Position Switch, Rear Diff Temp Sensor, ABS light, headlight levelling, rather than the real thing that they're supposed to be sensing 
07 May 2013, 10:32 PM
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My car a well looked after one owner full Subaru history,
Callipers front x2
Boot lock
Rear shocks
Headlight sensors
Crank sensor
2 set of standard alloys car was bought Sept. first set corroded round hub by end of November 2nd set at the end of the winter replaced April aftermarket alloys fitted after that
Secondary air pump valves x2
Drop links front
Apart from the alloys the rest done outside warranty that would be about £3,000 Subaru prices.
Callipers front x2
Boot lock
Rear shocks
Headlight sensors
Crank sensor
2 set of standard alloys car was bought Sept. first set corroded round hub by end of November 2nd set at the end of the winter replaced April aftermarket alloys fitted after that
Secondary air pump valves x2
Drop links front
Apart from the alloys the rest done outside warranty that would be about £3,000 Subaru prices.
07 May 2013, 10:45 PM
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Just fancy a louder, easier revving motor; probably an M135i.
08 May 2013, 01:51 AM
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Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.
Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
When we are bought ST TDCi same like you we are got CEL,my thought has been EGR right away,later on I've plugged OBD scanner and EGR fault showed
We are took few times before EGR Valve apart and cleaned and for few miles has been OK,but again after 100 miles same EGR error showed,we are bought EGR plate has been again for 100 miles OK
Later we are bought EGR bypass which has been best thing and never we are got the EGR error and plus we are used one connector for boost gauge
Just search on the eBay Jaguar EGR bypass,we are bought this and worked on our one without the problem
Jura
I'm quickly starting to hate doing diagnostic work on Fords. As the engine ECU has this annoying habit of crapping itself, shutting down the engine (whilst driving) and flashing the glow plug light.
Plug in a scan tool (any scan tool )....,what does it say? "No faults stored". Utter bollocks. The ECU knows something went wrong as it cut fuel to the engine, but as its intermittent and no longer present (as the engine is no longer running, Or has since been restarted )it has decided to ignore logging the fault codes. What's the point of EODB compliance if manufacturers don't bother to comply with it It wouldn't be so bad if one or two faults cause this. But it seems a whole plethora of engine actuator and sensor faults result in the engine ECU shutting down the engine.
I wasted hours on a x-type that did this, and all I could show for it was a huge list of possible parts to replace ranging from £10 to £2000..none of which could be tested on the fly due the fault happening once in every blue moon, and I had already ruled out wiring loom issues (which are known due to way its routed round the engine which can chafe). It even had a ODB data logger installed...but it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
Plug in a scan tool (any scan tool )....,what does it say? "No faults stored". Utter bollocks. The ECU knows something went wrong as it cut fuel to the engine, but as its intermittent and no longer present (as the engine is no longer running, Or has since been restarted
)it has decided to ignore logging the fault codes. What's the point of EODB compliance if manufacturers don't bother to comply with it It wouldn't be so bad if one or two faults cause this. But it seems a whole plethora of engine actuator and sensor faults result in the engine ECU shutting down the engine.I wasted hours on a x-type that did this, and all I could show for it was a huge list of possible parts to replace ranging from £10 to £2000..none of which could be tested on the fly due the fault happening once in every blue moon, and I had already ruled out wiring loom issues (which are known due to way its routed round the engine which can chafe). It even had a ODB data logger installed...but it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
Second bit what I hate on Ford is codding injectors and prices for new injectors
My brother looking get again TDi or TDCI car,but I've told him on longer run he will spend more than he will save,not sure if its worth to considering to move to Diesel
Jura
08 May 2013, 06:39 AM
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Judging by the sounds of all these well documented problems, my theory about these modern diesels holds water, and even more so if you have to pay for repairs at a garage.
I'll say it again, plenty of modern ish petrol cars get nigh on 40mpg so between the higher initial purchase price and the higher cost of fuel and all these "problems" I can't see the cost benefit, I'm also yet to see one of the motoring magazines do a cost comparison of diesel V'S petrol as was done with the old mondeo a few years ago at which point the break even was 100k miles, and I recon that was in the days before all these new fangled contraptions that keep going wrong, maybe there's a conspiracy.
Petrol FTW.
08 May 2013, 07:36 AM
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Yes good informative topic
That's why I went for the juke Nismo petrol from my wrx diesel
Getting 36mpg to the 48mpg of the wrxd but petrol is a lot cheaper now to buy and I do less then 12 k. Year now
Some very scary gadgets on my new car though
Auto wipers and lights and connect 2 information centre and keyless entry so would be nervous in a few years time woth technical gadgets that will break as they get older
That's why I went for the juke Nismo petrol from my wrx diesel
Getting 36mpg to the 48mpg of the wrxd but petrol is a lot cheaper now to buy and I do less then 12 k. Year now
Some very scary gadgets on my new car though
Auto wipers and lights and connect 2 information centre and keyless entry so would be nervous in a few years time woth technical gadgets that will break as they get older
08 May 2013, 07:52 AM
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I now think that buying an older classic car that can be easily repaired is becoming more attractive than a second-hand gizmo car.
If I say to you "I am going to adjust my points and check my dwell angle" how many of you understand what I just said?
If I say to you "I am going to adjust my points and check my dwell angle" how many of you understand what I just said?
08 May 2013, 11:16 AM
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So what has that lot cost, best part of £1k at a guess.
Judging by the sounds of all these well documented problems, my theory about these modern diesels holds water, and even more so if you have to pay for repairs at a garage.
I'll say it again, plenty of modern ish petrol cars get nigh on 40mpg so between the higher initial purchase price and the higher cost of fuel and all these "problems" I can't see the cost benefit, I'm also yet to see one of the motoring magazines do a cost comparison of diesel V'S petrol as was done with the old mondeo a few years ago at which point the break even was 100k miles, and I recon that was in the days before all these new fangled contraptions that keep going wrong, maybe there's a conspiracy.
Petrol FTW.
Judging by the sounds of all these well documented problems, my theory about these modern diesels holds water, and even more so if you have to pay for repairs at a garage.
I'll say it again, plenty of modern ish petrol cars get nigh on 40mpg so between the higher initial purchase price and the higher cost of fuel and all these "problems" I can't see the cost benefit, I'm also yet to see one of the motoring magazines do a cost comparison of diesel V'S petrol as was done with the old mondeo a few years ago at which point the break even was 100k miles, and I recon that was in the days before all these new fangled contraptions that keep going wrong, maybe there's a conspiracy.
Petrol FTW.
Even dearer than a decent Scoob clutch, and ore than double what I'd ever paid for a clutch before.
As for petrol, well lots of newer petrol cars have the same, or similar technology, plus all the electronic gizmos that will be OK for the NEW owner, but in ten years' time????
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08 May 2013, 12:49 PM
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08 May 2013, 12:58 PM
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my Mini Cooper S has the disty pointing straight into the weather!!!
on the upside easy to get at, - tried not to use emery cloth as it rounded of the contacts - used a thin file
and if doing it at home would use that old lightbulb setup to get the timing of the points spot on -- them were the days
on the upside easy to get at, - tried not to use emery cloth as it rounded of the contacts - used a thin file
and if doing it at home would use that old lightbulb setup to get the timing of the points spot on -- them were the days
08 May 2013, 02:49 PM
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You could buy a dizzy cover, made for the rally cars. My cousin had one and ex Paddy Hopkirk car.
You used also to be able to buy a special file known as a magneto file, for the contacts. I had one that had belonged to my dad in the RAF, but it was stolen along with the rest of my toolkit in Nottingham years ago.
You used also to be able to buy a special file known as a magneto file, for the contacts. I had one that had belonged to my dad in the RAF, but it was stolen along with the rest of my toolkit in Nottingham years ago.
08 May 2013, 03:09 PM
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Nearly everything that goes wrong with modern diesels is about bloody emissions - DPFs, DMFs, EGR Valves. Artificial emissions reductions done to pass the ever so dodgy CO2 tests.
Not just diesels though - BMWs recent petrols are prone to hissy fits. The diesels seem pretty solid.
Not just diesels though - BMWs recent petrols are prone to hissy fits. The diesels seem pretty solid.