Damaja

"What gives you all the "right" answers??"

is this similar to your moderators high horse?

STi go fast

wake up and smell the strong stuuf.

your dog is a dumb animal that will be long gone in 10 years- if you favour that over a child then maybe your dog isnt the only dumb one in your house.

SGF

Diablo

Damaja

Never said I had the right answers, just my views.

As for high horse, gotta laugh. I deleted some seriously insensitive and totally unecessary posts. One of which was yours. If you cannot see the difference, and understand the reasons, thats not my problem as a moderator.

Sti Go fast

THAT was a very mature and considered response....not. Want to try again?

Would really have expected a better argument than "dumb animal"

Clearly from the quality of your post my dog is more intelligent than you are showing to be

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jjones

anyone who values a pets life over that of a child needs some therapy.

Damaja

Thing is though every single word of my post you so kindly edited was infact 100% true.

dsmith

My view has always been that a coherent and healthy "society" should share fundamental views in order to work.

I had been under the impression that "importance of Human Life" was one of ours (as in this country/western europe)

I am very surprised that some beleive their personal gain during the life span of a loved pet is more important to society as a whole than a human life with maybe 60 years ahead of it. BUT does seem to tally with a general move to "individual rights" against "collective responsibilty for all".

And to be fair to SGF he translated [b]my opinion precisely.

Gobsmacked Deano

Diablo

True (in your oinion ) but still offensive

Therapy...whatever...another constructive post......

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STi go fast

hmmmm, you want me to try again?

how about:

your dog is smarter than you but still pretty dumb and still be long gone in 10 years- if you favour that over a child i can see why, with no dog around you'd struggle to find anyone to converse with that wouldn't suggest your ideas are somewhat offensive.

you like that better?

SGF

jjones

I stand by my comment.

ian/555

To put an animals life above that of another human is in my opinion very misguided. I think it shows a total lack of responsibility from you, and before you start on about the parents being responsible, that question is not being posed here, only what you would do if faced with the choice.
As the explanation shows the dog runs out from the left into your path with the child being on the right of the road, and yet you would still choose to swerve and hit the kid?
I just hope you never have to make the choice, as possibly killing a child would play on your mind for a long time, but then you probably would have the time to think about it whilst in Jail for Manslaughter.
There is a natural order in life and if you have other family members than the pet does come last, this dose not mean you don't value the pet, just that you can see that it is just a "pet" and does not by virtue of its role have an equal standing as you or other people in the World.
ian

Crispin

So if you run over both the dog and the child and they are both critically injured, and you bundle the dog in the back and race off to the vets, leaving the child for dead, I wonder what the front page of every paper would be the following morning, and you are considered worthy of 'judging' other people's posts regarding offensiveness, your views are both immoral and disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

And don't bother to come back with a "like it or lump it thats my view" type response, thats not good enough sonny....

Some people make me want to vomit.

Diablo

Deano,

Do you have a dog or a cat?

I agree, sharing fundemantal views IS important, but so is accepting that there will be differences.

Would you sacrifice YOUR child or partner to save, say 5 unknown kids, all of whom could equally have 60 + years ahead of them and between them would find the cure for cancer? Extremely unlikely scenario, I accept, but we are being hypothetical, so lets widen the boundary a bit.

My guess is that you, and everyone else here who would commit me to an asylum would not. They would choose to save their child or partner, valuing their personal position over that of society as a whole.

Have a think about it

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Damaja

Hmmm I would like to hear the phone conversation between yourself and the police officer when they tell you that your son or daughter has just been run over by a driver who swerved to miss their dog cause the dog meant more to them than someone elses child. "Yeah I totally understand officer, I would of done the same, just hope Rover is not too shaken up by it"

Your sh1tting me?

ian/555

Diablo it don't add up, how can you compare one human verses five, with one pet verses one human. There is no comparison between the two examples you are using.
ian

Edited to add
And no I obviously am not just talking mathematically

[Edited by ian/555 - 5/22/2002 12:39:50 PM]

roadrunner

I think you lot are being unfair to Diablo [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] all he is doing is expressing his opinion. What is wrong with that FFS, LAG, NFW< BBQ [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

SGF - stop being a **** for a second and engage your brain
Damaja – u r a confused adolescent little boy, 13yrs old by any chance ??
jjones - how the **** does your brain work you know you could make the front page of Time magazine if you walk into a hospital.
Deano - very sad, expected more than this from you

jjones

if every dog/cat in the country were there i would kill them all to save the life of one child in this scenario.

i have two cats and they are included.

Damaja

I will remember to swerve towards your daughter if the need arises then Roady.

Jay m A

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Diablo

I was refering to the hijacking posts of this thread, not your opinions. Your post that I refer to did nothing to help the indended nature of this thread, in fact your post hs induced more hijacks, on a debate that really has no consequences on Geoffs position.

Justin

STi go fast

"I agree, sharing fundemantal views IS important, but so is accepting that there will be differences. "

dont protect your sicko ideas behind some pants like that, when the differences become large then they will not be accepted.

if i aggreed that your dog was nice, but differed from you slightly in that i thought it was nice stuffed and hung on my wall then you should be able to take serious issue with that.

SgF

roadrunner

Damaja - no worries, IMO at least the roads will be safe for about another 5yrs. Actually it oculd be longer as you might not pass your driving test at 18

Oh and quote on where I said I supported Diablos views. All I said was that he had the right to express them. IMO a humans life is more than an animals life is worth. End of story

dsmith

If I ran over a dog (accidentally) I would be upset for a while

If I ran over a dog but avoided a child I would be upset but very relieved I hadn't hit a child

If I ran into a group of children but avoided my Wife I would be devasted and it would be haunt me for the rest of my life but I would have my wife

If I ran into my wife but avoided a group of children I would be devasted and it would haunt me every waking moment for the rest of my life but I'd have saved some children.

On balance I beleive I'd save my wife for selfish reasons.

However to suggest the choice between human lives is comparable to a choice between animal and human however merely re-inforces my earlier views.

Deano

Damaja

I stopped using the "Your a 13 year old child" routine when I realised it was in the same leagues of "Your Mom" and "My ***** is bigger than yours" jokes. Perhaps you could use them in your next "I must get one up on him" post?

STi go fast

road runny bloke, what are we doing if not expressing opinions?

if your so keen on defending the right to express them then you need to allow the opinions that you may not like.

SGF

roadrunner

So ian/555/SgF when does an animals life become valuable? after it stuffed up on the mantel piece along with your other collections

dsmith

And yes everbody has the right to express their view

We have the right to express our view of their view (as they do of ours). Another shared understanding of our "society".

STi go fast

RR, you are confusing yourself, no one said an animals life has no value- we said it had less value than a childs in the situation described.

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roadrunner

Damaja - was only trying to communicate at your level. Sorry I do apoloygise. will try harder next time

Diablo

Jjones,

Fine, thats cool with me.

SGF

My dog may well be smarter than me, but that's not the issue here. Many of my family (inlcuding my partner) and friends share similar views, and no, we are not all psychotic. But yeah, I like it better

Ian

Yes it would play on my mind, for a very long time, possibly the rest of my life. It would be my call and I would have to try and live with the consequences.

There is EVERY comparison in my book, just like there isn't in yours.

Damaja

I would be distraught but I would be able to understand where the other driver was coming from, if I was the distraught parent. Just like I could understand where the other driver was coming frm if he hit my dog to save his or her kid.

I can accept others views, unlike many on here [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Crispin

So my views are disgusting and immoral? Who are you to preach morality? Moderating is a difficult call. We don't judge posts based on our views, we moderate based on libel, slander, obscenity, racism and reported (to us) offensiveness. Sometimes its a difficult call and there are many gray areas, but any posts I have edited or deleted have been done so for reasons as quoted. I have never deleted a post by someone who expressed an opinion which I did not personally agree with.

I am sure you have posted views that were contrary to mine or which I may have found offensive, but I didn't come on here shouting about it.

Fine, away and vomit, its your call.

And don't call me sonny.

Justin,

Sorry mate, my mistake

Damaja,

I'm not hiding behind anything.Or have you yet to figure that one out

Thought it was clear enough.

Anyway, I'm off for lunch now

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Damaja

Communicate at my level? There are plenty of dog loving child killers on here who you can communicate with at "Your Level"

ian/555

Roadrunner I put more value on any human life than any animal life, what is wrong with that? When did I say you had to stuff and mount animals on a wall to quantify their value?