This will help on the mk1 t25

http://www.type-25.com/press_original.asp

 

What is the applied model number off the plate on top of the passenger strut, that will tell you what chassis it is based on and then should be easy to say mk1 or mk2...Or just post some pics up

 

Popping pics up tomorrow as it's a bit late now. I really appreciate all of your input, I must say that I am finding this fascinating, should have got one well before now. Will read through the articles. I hope this thread keeps going for advice and knowledge from you guys

 

There was one blob eye T25 that was almost wrecked by its first owner bought back by Litchfield and fitted with a Cosworth motor. That car was crystal grey. I haven't heard of another blob eye that Litchfield put a Cosworth motor in, but you never know. AFAIK there were 50 something T25s built in total, both blob and hawkeye. It would be very unusual to find a Cosworth engined blob T25 with other bits by Prodrive, but again you never know.
The pre-MY05 cars had a different suspension setup (the MY05 cars had the Spec C longer wheelbase and wider track) but it was still 12-way adjustable ASTs.
All T25s have a build number on the o/s top strut mount and somewhere on the dash (depending on where the buyer wanted it).
I have heard of a number of T25s that have been written off, and there are also quite a few self-builds around. Consequently there are not many left, even fewer that have not been messed about with.

 

it wont let me put pics up or how do you do it? It has the build number where it's suppose to be on the center console and mount (No 20). According to the registration the model type is Impreza GX AWD and it was registered in Feb 05. I have taken a photo of the engine plaque,engine, build number, interior etc, couldn't get the bugger out of the garage due to security bollard issue so could only take pic of back end with no screen in. Is any of this making sense to anyone? I'm totally clueless

 

Why don't you phone litchfield up?

 

Registered in Feb 05 it is almost certainly a MY05 car, with the forged pistons (the earlier cars had the standard USDM internals). While the short engine was USDM the top end was JDM (coming from the car's original engine), with its many advantages over UK cars. I remember that one guy had two T25s, the second built around that time. Maybe it's one of those. He had a number of supercars so is likely to have done little mileage in his scoob.

As suggested above, you best bet is to give Iain Litchfield a ring, as he is really bad at answering emails.

 

Phoned Iain up about mine and he knew about its history so the best thing to do.

 

Completely wrong sorry BS

The cost of importing new subaru made it unrealistic and unviable as a base car. IIRC

Iains main business is doing all things R35 and other exotica. He now does a 1,000hp performance pack for them. he also still works wonders on Subarus doing Type20/25 suspension, performance packs and all things Cosworth.

Iain only gave LTD Edition Numbers to type 25 never on type 20

IIRC IMHO

All type 20's/25's had Milltek exhaust and AST suspension and white line ARB & ALK.

Lichfield cars also demand a much higher price than others Hence every man and his dog sell thier 3 grand subaru as a 10 grand T20. Iain has been inundated with requests for T20 and T25 badges. FFS

And he has had thousands of calls asking him to either provide or prove provenance for buyers and sellers. He did say he would need a full time secartary to deal with this amount of request

I've even seen a type 20 for sale with BC coil overs

This is my opinion and not an opinion of Iain litchfield


Tony

 

That doesn't necessarily mean anything, potentially the owner swapped the ASTs for BCs due to personal preference.

 

can you realy see someone being that dumb? lol

 

It is not necessarily dumbness. The subject suspension is very personal/subjective.

Why do people take a 2011 WRX STi (which has Spec C suspension from factory!) and put ASTs on it, isn't that more dumbness?!?!

Don't get me started on ASTs. I had them on my car and they were $hite (even more so after the rebuilt). Fine on a smooth road but on real world roads they make the car so bouncy that it becomes unuseable.

I have not tried BCs to be able to compare but from reading people's reviews they are more suited to the road (most probably due to using softer springs).

For a road/occasional track car the OEM shocks and a set of STi pink/Eibach/Prodrive springs is the best way forward IMHO.

I don't know why people think that ASTs are the A-Z of suspension. It is all down to usage in the end of the day.

 

Is that recently tony? I saw one with BC coil overs as well, it had the type 20 stickers but not one mention of it being a type 20 in the advert.

When I spoke to Iain not long after getting yours he seemed to think there were around 100 non genuine type 20's around, think the actual number he gave me of genuine cars at around 36. Not sure if that is both mk1 and 2 or just mk2

As above Iain works his magic mostly on the nissans these day but he has a ex Subaru mechanic working for him and will still take on Subaru work and last I heard he was going to be stocking engine builds with varying levels of performance for imprezas, so he has not moved away from the marque completely

 

i had kyb agx and eibachs on my classic and the handling was epic

 

Very True

its that old chestnut again when is a modded limited edition stop being a that limited edition and just becomes just another modded car.

Tony

 

A T20/T25 is not in my eyes a limited edition such as a S202/S204/R205 etc.
Putting on flamesuit and running fast
IMHO Litchfield "just" developed a car for someone to buy it as it is instead of start messing with it.
Don't get me wrong I would love a T25.

 

+1 its was a ready to buy modded impreza for the people who didnt want to do it themselves...Did Iain not give a warranty with them too?

 

T25s came with a 1 year warranty from new which a few people managed to get extended.

 

+2
Credit to Litchfield, but they are just cars with tuning packs T20/T25. I remember when TSL used have the TSL333 and that was like the one to have back in the day.
Litchfield does make great tuned cars and his marketing is top notch!

 

Keeping the comments above in mind, yes it just a tuning pack but its a proven tuning pack.

It's not just some bits that have been chucked on by the local garage at the customers request.

They are the same as other cars with the same modifications but park them next to one an other and you will have more people round the litchfield car, as mentioned above Iain's marketing is top notch

 

+1 to juggers aswell



I think fpan missed my point

people with T20 handling pack and the T20 performance call their Cars "aLitchfield T20" which they are clearly not. Surely its a Subaru tuned "like" or "same as" a type 20

Tony

 

I think you will find that the actual spring rates, anti roll bar stiffness etc is custom to litchfields requests and is not the same as if you bought it off the shelf else where. They spent thousands of miles and hours testing and coming up with what they believe is the perfect set up. Have a read of the article on litchfields brz in Jap performance magazine they have just come up with a suspension package for it which states the above as well

 

Thanks to Marius for the pics!

 

Here is my MY05 Blobeye Type-20. Bought from a friend who bought it from Iain 3 years back. Helpfully I even have the emails about the car from Iain to prove provinance when it comes time to sell....not that I can see me wanting to get rid of it anytime soon!

Mine has had the AST suspension taken off and replaced with some new Spec C suspension as the previous owner found the AST just too firm for the lumpy, bumpy roads we have hear in the north east of Scotland. I have all the original parts though so it could easy go back if I ever wanted it too.

 

Any update from the OP?

 

i know its an old thread but
did anyone ever find out how many t20/t25 got built?
just interested as ive now got a t25 no.3
be nice to find out how many have died over the years
mac

 

Hi Mac.

Are you referring to T25 Blobs or Hawkeyes?

 

I'd guess 50 odd blobs and hawks. Mine is a MY05 build number 27 and Iain built a few more blobs after mine then stopped for a while when he was developing the Cosworth motor to go in the hawk. I don't think Iain has ever said how many of each he built, but there seem to be a lot more around these days!

 

be nice to see both blobs and hawks
just wanting to know numbers left
time for a thread of litchfield car pics me thinks

 

What I'm aware of:

• T20 Hawk Spec C, Blue, Gwent (me)
• T20 Hawk Spec C, White (advertised here currently)
• T20 Hawk Pontypridd (another SN Member)
• T25 Hawk (?), Hereford (?), another SN Member.
• T25 Hawk, Red, SWS member
• T25 Blob, Blue (advertised by Hurst Cars)

I'll leave it to the owners if they want to add their monikers.