Why no thread on EDL paedo?
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I'd say a more intelligent approach than accepting we are allowing Paedophiles into this country.
It's called stemming the flow. Wasn't it you that said "This country is ****ed up enough as it is?" on a similar thread recently.
What makes you say they are UK citizens and please provide proof to back this up.
It is. Why waste resources vetting immigrants, then catching the ones that break the law, then putting them in our prison which are already expensive and over crowded.
It may be natural for an EDL supporter.
Would you consider blowing up a bus full of innocent and unsuspecting people a crime against humanity?. How about flying planes into buildings and killing thousands?.
Can you explain why you think it was acceptable to prevent The ****'s invading the UK, but it's not acceptable to prevent terrorists and paedophiles coming into the UK?.
No but your solution to stopping more Muslim paedophiles from entering the country is to stop letting any Muslims in ergo it seemed logical to me that to remove all Muslim paedophiles from the UK you would want to remove all Muslims ... if not why not? How can it be one solution for immigration and another for those already here?
Er... are you serious? I have been asked some pretty weird questions on this forum, but that one takes the biscuit. Hitler and the ***** were by definition racist and guilty of many crimes agauinst humanity as a result so why would the allies be racist in stopping them? More than that though and this is the really odd part... why are you comparing Hitler and the ***** to paedophile rings in the UK in 2013?
Can you explain why you think it was acceptable to prevent The ****'s invading the UK, but it's not acceptable to prevent terrorists and paedophiles coming into the UK?.
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The statistics on the high percentage of paedophiles within the Muslim community only backs that argument.
It's only people living in sheltered regions who do not find the level of immigrants a problem, and its this ignorance that puts this country in the state it is in.
The rest of the population is frustrated, beat-down and walking on egg shells.
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You would know more about that than me
I have never said it is acceptable so why you would say that is beyond me. As far as I know we do try to prevent terrorists and paedophles from entering the UK, but a blanket ban on immigration is not the answer for any number of obvious reasons. Also I am not sure why you are banging on about the ***** all the time either.... subliminal message there I think.
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Stop all immigration just because this country is already a mess and we as a nation have enough problems to deal with without adding to it.
The statistics on the high percentage of paedophiles within the Muslim community only backs that argument.
It's only people living in sheltered regions who do not find the level of immigrants a problem, and its this ignorance that puts this country in the state it is in.
The rest of the population is frustrated, beat-down and walking on egg shells.
The statistics on the high percentage of paedophiles within the Muslim community only backs that argument.
It's only people living in sheltered regions who do not find the level of immigrants a problem, and its this ignorance that puts this country in the state it is in.
The rest of the population is frustrated, beat-down and walking on egg shells.
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Give me a worse-case-scenario if immigration were to be stopped over night.
I'd agree with most of that except that immigration isn't a problem. Can I assume you live in an area with fairly low levels of immigrants?.
Please provide proof as requested.
I didn't say that they were. Why do we need immigrants?.
If I were an EDL supporter I'd have no problem declaring it. I'm not btw .
9/11 was carried out by US born citizens?. Or were they immigrants who had applied to become US citizens?.
A hypothetical question for you....
Person x is arriving in the UK with the intention to live here. In 50 years time his Grandson will kill 1,000 people in a terrorist attack. What should we do now to prevent this from happening?.
Vetting immigrants, especially Asian Muslim men that could be paedophiles obviously isn't working. What do you suggest we do in future to prevent this from happening again?
Please provide proof as requested.
If I were an EDL supporter I'd have no problem declaring it. I'm not btw .
A hypothetical question for you....
Person x is arriving in the UK with the intention to live here. In 50 years time his Grandson will kill 1,000 people in a terrorist attack. What should we do now to prevent this from happening?.
I have never said it is acceptable so why you would say that is beyond me. As far as I know we do try to prevent terrorists and paedophles from entering the UK, but a blanket ban on immigration is not the answer for any number of obvious reasons. Also I am not sure why you are banging on about the ***** all the time either.... subliminal message there I think.
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Give me a worse-case-scenario if immigration were to be stopped over night.
I'd agree with most of that except that immigration isn't a problem. Can I assume you live in an area with fairly low levels of immigrants?.
Please provide proof as requested.
I didn't say that they were. Why do we need immigrants?.
If I were an EDL supporter I'd have no problem declaring it. I'm not btw .
9/11 was carried out by US born citizens?. Or were they immigrants who had applied to become US citizens?.
A hypothetical question for you....
Person x is arriving in the UK with the intention to live here. In 50 years time his Grandson will kill 1,000 people in a terrorist attack. What should we do now to prevent this from happening?.
Vetting immigrants, especially Asian Muslim men that could be paedophiles obviously isn't working. What do you suggest we do in future to prevent this from happening again?
I'd agree with most of that except that immigration isn't a problem. Can I assume you live in an area with fairly low levels of immigrants?.
Please provide proof as requested.
I didn't say that they were. Why do we need immigrants?.
If I were an EDL supporter I'd have no problem declaring it. I'm not btw .
9/11 was carried out by US born citizens?. Or were they immigrants who had applied to become US citizens?.
A hypothetical question for you....
Person x is arriving in the UK with the intention to live here. In 50 years time his Grandson will kill 1,000 people in a terrorist attack. What should we do now to prevent this from happening?.
Vetting immigrants, especially Asian Muslim men that could be paedophiles obviously isn't working. What do you suggest we do in future to prevent this from happening again?
If you can't see the good side of the UK's immigration policy over the last 50 years then I can't help you as it's kind of obvious. Your problem is you only see the negative! It would be like me declaring that all white Anglo Saxons are scum when only a proportion of them are! There is no balance to your views.
Sorry, but at the end of the day I can't help but feel your arguments about paedophilies and terrorists are nothing more than an excuse for you to reinforce a dislike of immigrants in general... a view you are entitled to, but stop trying to justify it by daft arguments!
As for your hypothetical situation if we knew that in 50 years the grandson of someone was going to do something then of course we could act, but the same applies to anyone of any race or creed and of course the chasm of a gaping hole in your argument is we don't know the future do we... or are we going to start punishing people for what they or their descendents might do one day
PS I live between Blackburn and Burnley so no, no immigrants here
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You are failing to provide answers to questions. It's ok to say my argument is x, y and z but you provide no real ideas of what you would do instead. For example....
What exactly should we do to prevent this? "Something" isn't good enough. I want a step by step guide on what you would do, where you would find resources and how would you prevent this ever happening. Remember there is no room for failure.
You are completely unable to answer why we desperately need immigrants, why this country would be a better place with them or what you would do to prevent them committing crime.
You provide no argument whatsoever so appear to be giving up....
I see the positive's in having different cultures and races in the UK, but there comes a point where the positives outweigh the negatives. This isn't about Muslim's either. If you provided proof that Romanians have a tendency to burgle then I'd say the same. I'm a firm believer in prevention being better than cure.
F1_fan until you are able to provide any shred of an argument please refrain from replying.
As for your hypothetical situation if we knew that in 50 years the grandson of someone was going to do something then of course we could act, but the same applies to anyone of any race or creed and of course the chasm of a gaping hole in your argument is we don't know the future do we... or are we going to start punishing people for what they or their descendents might do one day
You are completely unable to answer why we desperately need immigrants, why this country would be a better place with them or what you would do to prevent them committing crime.
You provide no argument whatsoever so appear to be giving up....
I see the positive's in having different cultures and races in the UK, but there comes a point where the positives outweigh the negatives. This isn't about Muslim's either. If you provided proof that Romanians have a tendency to burgle then I'd say the same. I'm a firm believer in prevention being better than cure.
F1_fan until you are able to provide any shred of an argument please refrain from replying.
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Why no thread on EDL paedo? Or are you all just a bunch of bloody hypocrites?
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...or-EDL-leader/
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...or-EDL-leader/
Why are you effectively accusing the whole of Sn of being hypocrites when most of us dont read the rubbish paper that you read so we had not seen the article anyway?
You would do well to reconsider your attitudes in general!
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For instance in 1972 there was an influx of Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin, these created huge prosperity in the parts of Britain where they lived, and went on to rise to the top of many industries and jobs.
The same as we should do for preventing anyone committing crime. Why are you so concerned with just the immigrants. I have asked this over and over and no one gives me an answer... just another statement of conjecture dressed up as fact!
P.S. I can't answer your hypothetical 50 years grandson thing as it's utter nonsense!
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Just to keep things balanced, here's another article to make us all appear racist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stitution.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stitution.html
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Hang on a second, YOU are the one who thinks we need a solution,. I don't have a problem with things as they are. You cannot ever totally prevent paedophiles from existing as unless you can isolate what makes someone a paedophile from what doesn't you have no way of telling! As far as I know no one has done that yet! The police and authorities have realised the extent of the problem and are getting on top of it with dedicated taskforces to target the offenders and bring them to justice! You however want to stop immigration completely despite the fact that many of the paedophiles are white and UK born and bred.
You don't have a problem because it doesn't effect you.
Fresh talents, ideas, cultures, entrepreneurs, brains, qualified people, people with ingenuity, dedication, a work ethic, making the most of the opportunity that the UK provides and making money for the UK etc. etc. That curry you like on a Saturday night, the bus you get home from the pub, the shop on the corner still open at 11pm.... all run by immigrants prepared to do lower skilled and lower paid jobs.
This sums up for me your lack of experience or lack of contact with immigrants. Romanians, Bulgarians and Polish take the money they earn in the UK back to their home countries. If you live in an area with a lot of immigrants then you obviously don't leave your house very often.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378...isoners-rising
According to the statistics, the number of Romanian inmates rose from 454 in September 2011 to 624 last month.
Fraudsters from the former Eastern bloc country are responsible for 92 per cent of all ATM crime in Britain, according to police figures.
It has. Most of the general public I speak to want immigration to stop immediately. The first semi-trustworthy politician with enough ***** to say this will be the future prime minister.
I have provided arguments galore on this thread and on many others. Your trouble is you don't want to hear them and just want to keep beating the anti immigrant drum. You could do well to befriend a few instead particularly ones with a better command of the English language than you of which there are plenty
I work alongside more immigrants than the average, Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian as well as Pakistani/Ugandan. I also live in a town with 3 mosques.
Unfortunately it's not hypothetical. X amount of years ago immigrants came into this country who would give birth to those who would commit the acts of 7/7 or the 2 muslims who beheaded the soldier recently in Woolich. So what would you suggest is done to prevent this happening again, or would you also say this is acceptable?.
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This sums up for me your lack of experience or lack of contact with immigrants. Romanians, Bulgarians and Polish take the money they earn in the UK back to their home countries. If you live in an area with a lot of immigrants then you obviously don't leave your house very often..
You've been given figures in this thread, % of paedophiles coming from Asian Muslim backgrounds. Here's some more....
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378...isoners-rising
According to the statistics, the number of Romanian inmates rose from 454 in September 2011 to 624 last month.
Fraudsters from the former Eastern bloc country are responsible for 92 per cent of all ATM crime in Britain, according to police figures..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378...isoners-rising
According to the statistics, the number of Romanian inmates rose from 454 in September 2011 to 624 last month.
Fraudsters from the former Eastern bloc country are responsible for 92 per cent of all ATM crime in Britain, according to police figures..
No what you have said is that nothing needs to change and you don't know how to prevent Muslim Paedophiles entering the UK. You have provided no solutions to anything, no facts or figures to back your argument and no real credibility to support the UK's immigration.
I work alongside more immigrants than the average, Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian as well as Pakistani/Ugandan. I also live in a town with 3 mosques. .
I work alongside more immigrants than the average, Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian as well as Pakistani/Ugandan. I also live in a town with 3 mosques. .
Unfortunately it's not hypothetical. X amount of years ago immigrants came into this country who would give birth to those who would commit the acts of 7/7 or the 2 muslims who beheaded the soldier recently in Woolich. So what would you suggest is done to prevent this happening again, or would you also say this is acceptable?.
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Just to keep things balanced, here's another article to make us all appear racist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stitution.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stitution.html
Muslim Nonces everywhere!!!!!
You guys need to put an end to this as we as a community have our heads buried in the sand!
Deport us all now!!!
Please
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The odd white guy gets caught, granted, and there are all of these reports about Asian gangs being convicted, but I'm struggling to remember the last time a black gang or black male working alone made the headlines. Is it because blacks don't commit this particular crime or they just don't get caught?
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Is it a race thing or just not being very good criminals?
The odd white guy gets caught, granted, and there are all of these reports about Asian gangs being convicted, but I'm struggling to remember the last time a black gang or black male working alone made the headlines. Is it because blacks don't commit this particular crime or they just don't get caught?
The odd white guy gets caught, granted, and there are all of these reports about Asian gangs being convicted, but I'm struggling to remember the last time a black gang or black male working alone made the headlines. Is it because blacks don't commit this particular crime or they just don't get caught?
I don't know why the Pakistani guys do such a thing. I guess they are just crap people.
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White guys doing the raping in this one though:
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/LU...#axzz2VNgz1bU9
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Stop talking in riddles, what is wrong with it? By and large you will never see young Asian girls hanging around in takeaways or on street corners in the middle of the night! You say different?
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Thank you for jumping to conclusions as to my experience with immigrants. For your information I have worked with Muslims, have friends who are Asian, Indonesian, Thai, my mate's wife is Rumanian, my neighbour is from Somalia and my partner is an Aussie so don't tell me about what little experience I have. What about ..... I am guessing you just knock around with white skinheads... sorry if I am wrong and jumping to conclusions but you started it
It is hypothetical as no one knew this was going to happen. Why you can't understand that is beyond me. By your logic we should exterminate everyone as one or two of them will become a Fred West or an Ian Huntley. You are quite bonkers or on a wind up. I don't know which!
Your idea of life in the modern UK seems to be very idealistic.
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White guys doing the raping in this one though:
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/LU...#axzz2VNgz1bU9
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/LU...#axzz2VNgz1bU9
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