jonc

So basically you're saying Britain should close the borders and stop all migrants and possibly asylum seekers from coming into this country just in case a small minority will commit a crime and would also be a burden to UK taxpayers.

Then surely we the UK also have a responsibility to stop all UK citizens from leaving this country in case a minority will commit a crime whilst abroad.

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

Impreza you are talking **** and getting nowhere, off topic too, just give it a rest as you sound like a ......??

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22793664

Another day, another gang. I've lost count of how many of these I've been able to post.

Of course the races of the perpetrators is coincidental to all previous cases and in no way points to there being an issue with certain communities living in the UK today. I wonder how many such occurrences have to occur before certain groups sit up and notice.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

We know x% of white people born here grow up to be murderers and rapists and paedophiles so we are knowingly allowing murderers and rapists to be bred in the UK, best stop that now then. That is your argument... and it's very close to those of a group you were using as an example earlier

If you didn't believe what you read in the press you'd know not all of them do. At the end ofthe day all official figures no matter which body collated them shows immigration brings a net financial gain to the UK.

You are however continually demonising the immirgants whilst appearing to not consider any issues caused by the native population. It feels like the subtext is you feel if you are white and born here then you have more of a 'right' to commit crimes etc.

Again stop believing everything you read in the press. I am sure a minority of them are like that, but most of them are not, they are just living in the UK and paying into the system like everyone else.

No, but equally we shouldn't ignore the fact that a massively larger number don't commit crimes and some natvies do. Stop making soemthing that isn't an immigrant issue in to one!

I have pointed out to you that immigrants provide a net gain for the economy, I have illustrated what immigration has brought to the UK in terms of culture, skills, ideas, entrepreneurs, people willing to work in the jobs we British don't seem to want etc. and I have desrcibed my experiences with those I have had close contact with in all parts of my life whereas your resposne to the same question is you work with a few and live in a town with some mosques... Well whoop-de-dooo doesn't that make you an expert?

Even if what you claim is true is it so hard for you to understand that the other y% won't get involved and y% will be a lot greater than x%. What about the x% of your fine upstanding white British population that are scrounging off the benefit system.... should we tar all white British with the same brush... of course not, yet that is exactly what you are doing with the immigrants. Wht the f**k you cannot see it is quite strange!

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. You obviosuly think all the problems in the UK can be fixed by stopping immigration whereas I think you couldn't be more wrong.

Anyway I have to go and see a client of mine... ah he's Jewish and his descendents came here after the war.... he runs a recruitment firm which employs over 30 people ... bloody immigrants taking out of the system all the time

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You can count beyond 4 yes?

Asuuming 'we' take notice what is your solution? You spend a lot of time moaning aout it, but don't seem to have any answers! At least 94impreza is prepared to ofer a solution. I may not agree with him, but it's better than just moaning!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And the others? Hint... look at their names and the colour of their skin? Or don't tell me .... Ijaz brainwashed them too.... he is a Muslim paedo hypnotist ... a new breed of criminal!

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

You can't fix it until it is acknowledged by all groups to be a cultural problem.

If that hypothetically happened, we need to racially profile and educate these guys before they commit such crimes that women cannot be treated like objects and slaves as they are in some cultures, and make their communities more proactive in speaking out to the authorities.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Fair comment, but can education stop someone from basically being a paedophile? I don't think so! I don't think it's learned.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I'm not so sure it's paedophilia in the Jimmy Savile sense of the word, my gut feeling is that they think this is how women / girls can be treated - a lot of these guys come from cultures where in certain parts it is perfectly acceptable for 40 year old men to marry 13 year old girls, or kill their daughters if they cause 'disrespect'.

If this is the case, I think this can be educated out of them yes. Once it's been accepted to be a cultural issue.

Shaid

So you are under the impression that I know about who is upto this peado / grooming stuff and I should tell the authorities of them? Is that right?

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I have no idea who you are.

Shaid

Muslamics

94impreza

Yes, and those homegrown paedophiles and murderers will just keep coming. The only chance we have of preventing, catching and locking up these British criminals is to concentrate 100% of our resources on them. Even if immigrants take 1% of our resources its too much. Why should we inherit social problems born elsewhere?


It's not what I read, it's what is said to me by the very people taking the money home themselves. I'd recommend talking to a person from a different back ground, it could help you learn something.


If you want to discuss what the native population get up to we can do this on a different thread. This thread about immigrants coming to the UK, or being born in the UK and committing crime (although it obviously started off differently).

Yet again this isn't about what is written about in the press, as I said in the original statement this is something that is said to me on a almost daily basis. Are you telling me that you think Romanian's (for example) have come to the UK to work and would now consider this their home and would continue paying into this country until the day they die or do you think their long-term intention is to return home with whatever they can from Britain?


Of course. But we are ignoring that natives commit crime to some extent because are using x amount of our resources chasing, convicting or attempting to deport immigrants.


You have said this, but provided no evidence whatsoever to back it. It wouldn't surprise me to learn some immigrants do make this country a better place. However until we have a more secure, more fool-proof system of application we should prevent letting just anybody in (no system would ever be fool-proof but as best as we can get it).


I see it, and anybody with half a brain wouldn't ignore the problems we have within our own communities. In every community there will always be a percentage of bad examples, and I'd hope that those good examples would not only steer clear but would work with the country that will take them in to keep the bad examples out.


Of course I don't think it will stop ALL problems. But it would take some strain off of our over stretched resources.

Martin2005

[QUOTE]

Cough

jonc

What's next? Ethnic cleansing?

94impreza

Lol

mrmadcap

So you are saying that it's ok to rape white girls, as long as it's at night

Shaid

Sorry but

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No, but you know that of course and are just trying a cheap shiot as usual!

You can't argue with the facts, it's only white girls that are hanging around the streets at night and if they weren't they wouldn't get picked up by paedophiles.

Before you say it I am not solely blaming society, but I do think we need to look at the bigger picture of why these people are able to prey on these girls in the first place.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Dull, but better than your usual input to threads these days I grant you

Even if once again you have messed up the quote function!!

Martin2005

Does your sudden conversion to quoting 'the official stats' mean that we can now have a sensible discussion on issues rather than your usual retort of, 'well if you believe the official figures you must be a ..........' ?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Not if your official figures are only those composed by the government no, as they are liars as has been proven time and time again!

If you notice my statement referred to all official figures no matter which body they are collated by... so by official I mean figures actually collated by a recognised body using a scientific approach other than by someone like impreza94 reading teh Daily Mail.

HTH

Martin2005

Do you have some official figures to back this claim up

Truss

iTrader: (2)

Talking in riddles?
Im not going to say different as I couldn't give a monkeys who's hanging around where. I don't take any notice. The way you wrote that statement suggests these girls are asking for it.
Let's remember the girls involved are often ones that are vulnerable, i.e in care, (or lack of?) homeless or whatever.
I also couldnt care less whether the spineless cowards involved are white, black, brown or yellow; the all need stringing up by the *****.

Up until that point, I agreed with most of the points you made.
Ben.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well in that case accept my apologies, the last thing I mean is the girls are asking for it. They are about the only innocents in this sorry state of affairs. I think subsequent posts have made my stance clearer. While the sick indivduals who carry out these acts are obviously in the wrong I think something is also wrong in our society that girls as young as this end up in this position.

My point (clumsily made I grant you) is that it is interesting to note though that young Asian girls are never out at this time of night hanging around on the streets. As well as dealing with the perpertrators of these crimes we also need to deal with whatever part of our society it is that makes it so easy for this to happen!

Mouser

Is this through choice and is it age related?

94impreza

You've provided no facts, no sources. Any "recognised body" can be discredited as they will either be government funded or privately funded. Any statistics can be manipulated to suit whoever is collating them, except the one's you've provided of course because they are non existent

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Back at you.... your argument seems to be reading an article in a paper where even the author admits the figures are utterly unsubstantiated, you work with a couple of immigrants (who presumably don't know you hate them) and have a few mosques near where you live. It would be laughable if it wasn't so daft! Of course you beleive the figures in the article basically because you want to.

My probelm is trying to argue that immigration doesn't bring net financial gain to the UK is like trying to argue that grass is purple.... it isn't, but it is so obvious it isn't it doesn't need any further discussion unless you are some sort of weirdo that can't accept the bleeding obvious! Aha

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

How do you mean?

Mouser

Okay, I'll humour you.

Are they (young Asian girls) not allowed "out" until they reach a certain age?