Can the police........
20 June 2013, 11:57 PM
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21 June 2013, 12:02 AM
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When can the police enter and search?
Police can only enter premises without a warrant if a serious or dangerous incident has taken place.
Situations in which the police can enter premises without a warrant include when they want to:
deal with a breach of the peace or prevent it
enforce an arrest warrant
arrest a person in connection with certain offences
recapture someone who has escaped from custody
save life or prevent serious damage to property.
Apart from when they are preventing serious injury to life or property, the police must have reasonable grounds for believing that the person they are looking for is on the premises.
If the police do arrest you, they can also enter and search any premises where you were during or immediately before the arrest. They can search only for evidence relating to the offence for which you have been arrested, and they must have reasonable grounds for believing there is evidence there. They can also search any premises occupied by someone who is under arrest for certain serious offences. Again, the police officer who carries out the search must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that there is evidence on the premises relating to the offence or a similar offence.
Police can only enter premises without a warrant if a serious or dangerous incident has taken place.
Situations in which the police can enter premises without a warrant include when they want to:
deal with a breach of the peace or prevent it
enforce an arrest warrant
arrest a person in connection with certain offences
recapture someone who has escaped from custody
save life or prevent serious damage to property.
Apart from when they are preventing serious injury to life or property, the police must have reasonable grounds for believing that the person they are looking for is on the premises.
If the police do arrest you, they can also enter and search any premises where you were during or immediately before the arrest. They can search only for evidence relating to the offence for which you have been arrested, and they must have reasonable grounds for believing there is evidence there. They can also search any premises occupied by someone who is under arrest for certain serious offences. Again, the police officer who carries out the search must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that there is evidence on the premises relating to the offence or a similar offence.
If the offence happened at university, is there likely to be any evidence in a house 80 miles away from where the allegation is said to have taken place?
Will the officer have reasonable grounds to believe that evidence will have been transported 80 miles from the alleged crime scene, to the OP's house?
I expect you to refer back to your previous "it depends on what happened".
21 June 2013, 12:20 AM
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The relevanace is that an arrest, even an incorrect one can cause issues .... currently we have no idea what this police officer is after him for... that said I stand by what I said in post 2 or whatever it was... if it was something serious he would have been arrested by now so you're probably right that it's not relevant. I'm still right thouigh 
I think murder may be covered by moral turpitude. Yet, he's still got in. And the Italians want to re-try him and Amanda Knox.
21 June 2013, 01:29 AM
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Going back off topic, Raffaele Sollecito was arrested and convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher, then had it quashed is in New York according to one newspaper.
I think murder may be covered by moral turpitude. Yet, he's still got in. And the Italians want to re-try him and Amanda Knox.
I think murder may be covered by moral turpitude. Yet, he's still got in. And the Italians want to re-try him and Amanda Knox.
Being arrested for murder does not mean you can't enter America, but it does mean you can't do it legally via the visa waiver scheme
21 June 2013, 05:09 AM
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If they won't tell him what it's about then it will be a surprise when he gets there and is asked questions without having had time to consider his answers.
This statement is a perfect example of Copper mentality, " let's put the frighteners on the lad " 
I stand by what I said before, we both know if they had anything on him they would already have been round without warning.
They say once a Copper always a Copper, you should have stayed in the force, your thought process is perfect for the job.
Before you say it, I'm in no way "against" the police, I see them as people doing a job that needs to be done, but just because the base level psychology works on Council estate retards and those that don't have the presence of mind to see what the police are attempting to do (usually VERY poorly), it doesn't follow that it will work in the wider community.
Getting picked up at 04:00, from a deep sleep by hammering on your front door, with no word of warning is a surprise. Attending a pre-arranged meeting is not a surprise.
I stand by what I said before, we both know if they had anything on him they would already have been round without warning.
They say once a Copper always a Copper, you should have stayed in the force, your thought process is perfect for the job.
Before you say it, I'm in no way "against" the police, I see them as people doing a job that needs to be done, but just because the base level psychology works on Council estate retards and those that don't have the presence of mind to see what the police are attempting to do (usually VERY poorly),
it doesn't follow that it will work in the wider community.
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21 June 2013, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for the responses, even those that have gone a bit off topic 
We are awaiting her ringing him again tonight.
On his last day at uni, the day in question, he got up, had breakfast, went to the shop to buy some caffeine tablets, revised with me via Skype for three hours, went for lunch, revised with me for a further two hours, sat an exam, packed his car to come home, went to hand in his key, came home.
He is totally mystified. I even suggested a possible road rage, but he says not.
Believe me, if he had done something, I'd know.......I've had enough practice during a difficult childhood
We are awaiting her ringing him again tonight.
On his last day at uni, the day in question, he got up, had breakfast, went to the shop to buy some caffeine tablets, revised with me via Skype for three hours, went for lunch, revised with me for a further two hours, sat an exam, packed his car to come home, went to hand in his key, came home.
He is totally mystified. I even suggested a possible road rage, but he says not.
Believe me, if he had done something, I'd know.......I've had enough practice during a difficult childhood
21 June 2013, 12:57 PM
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Trouble is if you refuse and they arrest you- then dearrest you it goes on record you have been arrested. Good luck getting into america after this.
My wifes brother was arrested - wrong person so dearrested. As it was on his record they refused him entry to canada. Trying to get in america they didn't care what he did or didn't do. They just saw the black line and said NO
an Interview and a good reason why he wanted to go there and he got a 10yr visa.
My wifes brother was arrested - wrong person so dearrested. As it was on his record they refused him entry to canada. Trying to get in america they didn't care what he did or didn't do. They just saw the black line and said NO
an Interview and a good reason why he wanted to go there and he got a 10yr visa.Getting arrested is not the same as a criminal record. Your wifes brother is taking ****.
The US do not have the ability to even check criminal records of people entering the country. Simply tick the box that says "no convictions" and in you go.
21 June 2013, 06:50 PM
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New style passport with chip not so sure.
22 June 2013, 09:34 AM
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22 June 2013, 06:54 PM
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Letting off stink bombs all over the building was another one.. Oh yes