Broquet, Scientific Proof?
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Hi Joey,
Just to get it straight these are not "my" sales and they represent worldwide sales of Broquet all over the world over a decade. They are there to give an idea of scale of useage.
Here are some other statistics. When leaded was around the cost saved by switching from leaded to much cheaper unleaded with a modest economy improvement after installing Broquet was around 40 pence per gallon. If we assume that a typical customer drove a 30 mpg car then 3.1 billion miles would require 103 million gallons of fuel. That means an overall fuel saving for these Broquet users of £41 million. Note these are very approx and based on current costs and are just to give an idea of the savings achieved. David.
Just to get it straight these are not "my" sales and they represent worldwide sales of Broquet all over the world over a decade. They are there to give an idea of scale of useage.
Here are some other statistics. When leaded was around the cost saved by switching from leaded to much cheaper unleaded with a modest economy improvement after installing Broquet was around 40 pence per gallon. If we assume that a typical customer drove a 30 mpg car then 3.1 billion miles would require 103 million gallons of fuel. That means an overall fuel saving for these Broquet users of £41 million. Note these are very approx and based on current costs and are just to give an idea of the savings achieved. David.
#125
David,
Don't take this the wrong way, but that is an example of exactly what I am having trouble with.
Could you explain to me where the following numbers came from:
40p per gallon saving.
Given that the units were sold across the world, you would have to be going something to get a 40p saving on a gallon of US fuel.
How did you get this figure?
31 Billion miles travelled.
Finger in the air? Guestimate? Or miles that were actually travelled by individuals saving 40p a gallon by using Broquet? How did you get this figure?
This arguement is also a fallacy. If these people had believed putting carrots under the seat meant the engine could run on unleaded they would have still saved money. It is not providing evidence that Broquet works. It is just showing that unleaded was cheaper than leaded, and by virtue of using unleaded they were saving money.
KF.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that is an example of exactly what I am having trouble with.
Could you explain to me where the following numbers came from:
40p per gallon saving.
Given that the units were sold across the world, you would have to be going something to get a 40p saving on a gallon of US fuel.
How did you get this figure?
31 Billion miles travelled.
Finger in the air? Guestimate? Or miles that were actually travelled by individuals saving 40p a gallon by using Broquet? How did you get this figure?
This arguement is also a fallacy. If these people had believed putting carrots under the seat meant the engine could run on unleaded they would have still saved money. It is not providing evidence that Broquet works. It is just showing that unleaded was cheaper than leaded, and by virtue of using unleaded they were saving money.
KF.
#127
Ive been reading this thread with interest. We have two parties here don't we:
The broquet side, who quote enthusiastic comments from users, and some "questionable" data based on older cars. They also mention ongoing testing. The claims vary from "increased horse power" for the motorboat engines to improved fuel economy for some cars.
The other side say this is not evidence enough, and ask tricky questions that seem to go unanswered by the Broquets side.
In fairness to Simon, he is offering a refund to anyone and his dog - so no arguments there.
I'm a bit concerned as to why Broquets dont sort this all out by getting some conclusive tests done - they seem to avoid this area. It implies (to me at least) that they may have "something to hide". If this is not the case then my apologies. I am talking about my impressions here!
I would just like to ask the Broquets people, what scientific tests are they making (Pete Croneys suggestions seem logical)? If they arent making any more tests, and the data they have historically has been widely critisised on this thread, why should we believe that the product does what it suggests?
Sorry to sound so sceptical, but if this is indeed the fantastic product that it claims to be - why don't we cant we see conclusive evidence? Surely the tests would be simple and not exactly costly.
And when people quite rightly question the evidence,why do things seem to go quiet / the claims made about the product "lessen".
Surely the "try it and see for yourself and you judge the results" a bit of a weak selling point?
If there is evidence to support the claims i for one would like to place an order!!
I'd be very interested to hear broquet's point of view!
Jza
The broquet side, who quote enthusiastic comments from users, and some "questionable" data based on older cars. They also mention ongoing testing. The claims vary from "increased horse power" for the motorboat engines to improved fuel economy for some cars.
The other side say this is not evidence enough, and ask tricky questions that seem to go unanswered by the Broquets side.
In fairness to Simon, he is offering a refund to anyone and his dog - so no arguments there.
I'm a bit concerned as to why Broquets dont sort this all out by getting some conclusive tests done - they seem to avoid this area. It implies (to me at least) that they may have "something to hide". If this is not the case then my apologies. I am talking about my impressions here!
I would just like to ask the Broquets people, what scientific tests are they making (Pete Croneys suggestions seem logical)? If they arent making any more tests, and the data they have historically has been widely critisised on this thread, why should we believe that the product does what it suggests?
Sorry to sound so sceptical, but if this is indeed the fantastic product that it claims to be - why don't we cant we see conclusive evidence? Surely the tests would be simple and not exactly costly.
And when people quite rightly question the evidence,why do things seem to go quiet / the claims made about the product "lessen".
Surely the "try it and see for yourself and you judge the results" a bit of a weak selling point?
If there is evidence to support the claims i for one would like to place an order!!
I'd be very interested to hear broquet's point of view!
Jza
#128
Hi All
I was quite interested when i saw this thread title, but have become increasingly bored with it!
Yes, ii took the risk and bought two brouqet's for my Sti. It runs smoother, and i have found a slight imrovement in economy figures.
So i'm happy with my purchase. The point is this : If i wasn't i send them back (because i put them in on a piece of wire...) and get my money back.
How can i, or anyone else lose?
This thread has gone beyond the original post and is just becoming another "Product Anihalation" that this board occasionally deteriorates into.
If you don't want them, don't buy 'em, if you do then i'm sure you'll be happy with them.
Grrrrrrrr
Russ
I was quite interested when i saw this thread title, but have become increasingly bored with it!
Yes, ii took the risk and bought two brouqet's for my Sti. It runs smoother, and i have found a slight imrovement in economy figures.
So i'm happy with my purchase. The point is this : If i wasn't i send them back (because i put them in on a piece of wire...) and get my money back.
How can i, or anyone else lose?
This thread has gone beyond the original post and is just becoming another "Product Anihalation" that this board occasionally deteriorates into.
If you don't want them, don't buy 'em, if you do then i'm sure you'll be happy with them.
Grrrrrrrr
Russ
#130
Russ + Markus: You know what, I am bored too. Talk about knocking your head against a wall.
Perhaps you are right Markus. Sorry I disagreed with you earlier. It would probably have been better to close the thread when you first suggested it.
However, if you think my posts are a product annihilation, then you really have not been listening.
Sigh.
KF.
Perhaps you are right Markus. Sorry I disagreed with you earlier. It would probably have been better to close the thread when you first suggested it.
However, if you think my posts are a product annihilation, then you really have not been listening.
Sigh.
KF.
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