JonMc

iTrader: (51)

I think you've hit the nail on the head - the seasoned all year riders seem to understand their vulnerability because they are more at risk on dark and wet winter roads, so they have greater road sense and general awareness

trails

iTrader: (41)

But aren't you just dumping your pre-conceived personality traits on the helmet cam wearer...perhaps they are making a film, perhaps they have been involved in an accident before, perhaps a loved one has been involved in an RTA?

The two underlying factors here are infrastructure and human nature...one of those at least is something that can be addressed

trails

iTrader: (41)

That's my dads fault...he's always right too

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

My argument all along, tarring everyone with the same brush - my humanity slipped out but I won't let it happen again, at least not in the company of minions

hodgy0_2

Okay, we are talking kids

Well when I ride with my children, if they are under 10, and safe to do so, they ride on the pavement

If they ride on the road, I ride slightly behind them, and towards the middle of the road, I.e on the outside of them (not in the middle of the road, but not in the gutter either)

A car coming up behind will have to see me as another road user and react like he would to any other valid road user, not simply see me as a object at the pavement/road interface

When they are old enough and confident enough to ride on there own I will tell them what I would tell anyone

Do not ride in the gutter, cars/lorries do not see you as another road user

Listen I am not advocating antagonising other road users, just riding safely and that is not riding in the gutter, tight against the side of the road

Obviously safety is my primary concern and if it is obvious I have a nutter behind me, like in the video then i will pull over

I am not a rabid cyclist btw and do not own a single piece of Lycra clothing, but this "roads are just for me and my car" lobby are frankly pathetic

Simple

trails

iTrader: (41)

Phew, just don't let it happen again...your minions need an infallible leader

so are you telling me your dad isn't always right?

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Well that's a whole new dilema being a dad myself. When my dad decides to side with his grand kids against me in a debate then who wins - I have to be right, but he can't be wrong - who is right then, me as the dad, or my dad

trails

iTrader: (41)

I believe the excepted way to settle such disputes is a duel...but that may be a little extreme given the circumstances so I suggest your kids adopt Harry Hills technique; "Well, I like dad and I like grandad. But which is better? There's only one way to find out...FIGHT!"

jonc

I ride as you do with my 2 9 year olds and are confident riders, however, I still wouldn't feel safe for them to ride in primary position, especially if on their own. That's not to say they hug the kerb, it usually about a foot out, but never 3 foot. To be honest, I've never had issues with motorist riding nearer the kerb, that was I how I was taught to ride when I did my cycling proficiency way back in primary school!

CrisPDuk

Mrs JonMc, obviously

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Clearly as the trouser wearer I can openly disagree ....






























































...until she gets a scoobynet account and finds out what I've said, then it'll be flowers and chocolates for a month

Leslie

As a matter of interest, is it fully legal for them to ride on the pavement. When I was a lad we used to get a right telling off by the coppers if we were seen riding on the pavement.

Les

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Riding on the pavement is illegal and can attract a £60 fixed penalty if the coppers feel like taking it on. It's also one if the few endorsements a PCSO can issue.

Markus

I thought that Cyclists on the road were bound by the same rules as motorists, ie; Highway Code. Some info on rules specific to cyclists here: https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclist...rview-59-to-71

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

Q.


Are children allowed to cycle on pavements?

A.


Whilst there is no exemption to this law for children, the police have always used common sense and discretion in exercising their powers over children cycling on the pavement. Very young children should not be expected to cycle on the road and we would not recommend any child does so until they have received cycle training. Children under the age of 10 are below the age of criminal responsibility, hence they cannot be prosecuted for criminal offences. Enforcement of cycling on pavements is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty notice, which cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Top)