ditchmyster

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keep up old chap, it helps if you read everything in the thread then you'll be able to take peoples posts in context as opposed to jumping on a comment and taking it out of context.

I was referring to people eating real food as opposed to processed crap that's full of salt and sugar and god knows what else.

ditchmyster

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So because I have a house that has a cellar it means I'm rich.

Let them eat cake, opps on second thoughts that's probably one of the reasons they'er fat.

paulr

You need carbs for energy. I use brown rice. As for turkey mince with celery and carrots, nothing wrong there.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Given the balance of probability, yes that is what I am saying.

paulr

Ariel Castro had a cellar.

Osimabu

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I think a lot of obseity in all ages is caused by boredom. If some people have nothing else to do, and there's food available, they tend to eat. I'm lucky as these days I have a very active job and often have no time to think about eating, but I know when I sat, bored, flying a desk for several years, meals became my constant focus and I put on weight.

Where they can, children need to be outside running about, not playing on games consoles or computers (or posting drivel on internet forums... I'll shut up!)

Peedee

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How many kids do you know that sit behind a desk from 9 until 5?

Kids get bored too easily these days. I was happy playing in the street, playing football, making dens etc when I was younger........because I wasn't bought up on games consoles.

Again, it comes down to bad parenting. Shock horror

Osimabu

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I agree.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

A quick walk around a supermarket (or cheap store i.e. Farmfoods/Heron's/Iceland etc) will show just how cheap crap food is, therefore, to somebody on a low income or benefits, good food is expensive.

A pack of crisps might be 60p, but go into many stores and 6+ can be had for not a lot more. I think I noticed not all that long ago, Asda selling 24 packs for £2. Then move onto all the frozen foods. A large bag of chips could be had for a quid or so, probably a similar amount for bags of chicken nuggets and the likes, frozen pizzas for a pound, the list goes on. So you might think a meal for £1.55 is quite cheap, and it isn't bad, but just going by the above, it's a lot cheaper to buy frozen, processed food.

I'm not in any way excusing parents feeding their kids crap, but I can understand why many families buy certain types of food.

Also, I'm not a fan of the government interfering too much in the lives of people, but if they are going to (which they do) it is strange that rather than try to drive down the prices of healthier foods somehow and encourage people to eat more sensibly via that route, that their action would be to just attempt to increase the prices of the crap. If people are struggling, pushing up the prices of what they can currently afford isn't a reasonable solution.

craigo

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Interference is the only way forwards for the uneducated as you well know Lisa

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I WAS brought up on games consoles, in fact it's one of the main reasons I chose the career I am now in. I am not, and never have been, a fatty.

It's a bit lazy trying to blame obesity based on computer games. At a young age, I'd say it's 90% diet that is the cause.

dpb

It's definitely lack of exercise as well

For example if you had to walk to fetch water and hoe to plant crop you wouldn't be fat.

Millions round the world eat on less than a quid a day

Matteeboy

Sorry but console games are a large part of the problem.

Not getting one for our kids, ever.

Our four year old walked two miles yesterday, half of that up a very steep coast path.

All food prepared from scratch except for the odd meal out.

See too many parents relying on the TV and ready made meals because they are so "busy." Too busy to bring up their kids properly...

Turbohot

Console games, eating habits in family, lack of exercise, high cost for healthy foods, schools advertising on big posters in their dinner halls about five a day but still selling high carb, high fat foods to keep the cost down because they have to remain within the budget etc. etc.

All these reasons contribute towards being unhealthy. People who don't eat well aren't just fat, a lot of young people these days are clearly very underweight for their age.

I was talking to a 20 yr. working man the other day who worked as a security guard at a supermarket. This kid had been through a lot, and turned his life around with employment, securing a place to live etc. Hats off to him. But I was shocked that he was as thin as a needle, and as light as a feather at 6'4" and he got a job to boot the criminals out! Even I could have pushed him and done one with loo rolls! I asked him what he eats for lunch. He told me that he just gets a chip cone for .50p for his lunch on his 12-hour shifts, and that suffices. He shares a rented accommodation with his relative, and said that he has to pay 50% rent, other bills cost of vehicle and occasional going out like any 20 yr. old would like to, so he can't really afford blueberries, cherries and sun flower seeds for his salad. He said he loves fruit but it is too expensive for him to afford, although he eats an occasional banana when he can. He can't afford gym, whey protein etc. either to build himself up.

The kid is in a rut where he works like a donkey and can't even afford a decent meal. I know that he could eat better with little bit of thoughtful food planning, but can you imagine the morale of the people in their state? Their morale is so low and the priority is to survive, not to live healthily or anything.

There's plenty in someone not looking after oneself- not just the reasons that our minds are generating from our own perspectives.

Turbohot

By the way, 20 stoner at 10 is a very serious issue. Parents to deserve a flack for it. Such kid needs help, and their parents need to be told what's what.

dpb

I suppose your on your feet all day,but iv rarely seen security guards do much else??

Turbohot

You also catch shoplifters as a security guard.

The day you have only a quid to your wallet, go and try grabbing healthy lunch for yourself. Two for a quid biscuit packets from Spar would seem better option that a punnet of cherries for £1.50. A punnet of cherries would leave an ant starving, as it works just as a bit on the side.

Also, try standing up at your supermarket door for 12 hours with 2X20 minute breaks on a cone of crappy chips. Then come back and talk to me.

dpb

Shaid

Well said

Leslie

Parents are generally correctly regarded as being responsible for the welfare of their children.

Allowing their children to become so dreadfully obese shows an extreme dereliction of their responsibilty. There really is no excuse for that!

Les

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

Kinda agree, banning consoles wont stop them playing .. if anything they'll be more interested in them.

we had games but like you my dad took the time to take us out walking, swimming and my mum did her best to cook.

My kids love the ipad, play on it for hours .. this week they've also been swimming twice, played football, tennis and been the park three times. We both work full time too .. parents are the key.

tony de wonderful

Both parents work long hours in many families in modern Britian, the economy demands it, our high cost of living, property, etc., demands it.

It's far from some bourgeois ideal of the wife as homemaker, lovingly making home cooked, wholesome food.

tony de wonderful

Everything has to be arranged now, control, structured, or at least from what I see of middle class kids lives.

I spend lots of time just out roaming as a kid. I imagine only kids on the 'awful' estates do this now.

Torquemada

The whole console blame thing is a load of bull imho. Just another thing to blame, other than focusing on parents failing to instill some form of discipline. There are a million factors at play here but they all come back to parenting and self discipline.

I ran everywhere like frikkin Forest Gump as a kid, not sure why lol. But alongside that I went for walks with the parents to see historic stuff/landmarks/scenery etc., which was nice now I look back on it (whinged a lot at the time).
Schools should stop being like holiday camps with this 1530hrs finish and pop an hour of sports into every day and it should be compulsory.

Simply put, people seem to be getting more stupid.
Seems that more fat idiots are able to breed fat idiots, not sure what the real core reason is for that but education, entitlement expectations, total lack of respect for people and themselves, massively lazy people (re. cooking a meal from scratch healthily rather than maccy D's or fried dinosaur shapes) seem to be problems.

When I see food courts in shopping malls where you have KFC, BurgerKing, MacDonalds, Subway, Millies Cookies etc. all packed into one small area - look at the people gorging themselves daily, with their families, there is a trend of fat mums/dads and fat kids doing the same old routine. These fast foods aren't even cheap! People are just lazy and stupid.

Matteeboy

WHY do they work so hard? Why is it so important to make an extra quid whatever the cost to the family?

I'm sorry but with the cost of child care, many people are treading water for no gain.

If you have kids, look after them. If that means living on a bit less, your kids will thank you forever if one parent stays at home.

Our country has actually gone mad. Other countries think our work mentality is insane and it is.

I look after our kids a fair bit and the benefits are enormous.

Torquemada

Kinda agree with this, there's a lass at our work who pays about £1500 per month for childcare, making her salary pretty much pointless!

pimmo2000

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Sadly the generation before us has create parents in our generation with no understanding of right and wrong .. considering how strict that generation was I have no idea how that happened.

My kids are 2 and 4 and we make a list together of what to do. We work out what we can manage in the day and then follow our plan, kinda like a game.

You have money, that's the difference, it's very easy to say "go without" when you don't have to and I'm sure you have an example of when you didn't but your opinion is based on the good life you have no. No insult or "getting at you" intended.

We have a good life, but only because we both work. The educational benefits to structured child care are outstanding. For example, my lad starts Primary next month, at parents evening they say, every child should be able to count to 20 by Christmas. My lad can count to 100 in English and 20 in French, German and Spanish, all thanks to the "guest speakers that come into his nursery.

It's hard not spending everyday with them, but I honestly think the benefits they get from our money and the private education they have is worth it.

Matteeboy

Our kids are the same age. We started off sending ours to a private nursery very part time and he didn't like it; too structured for a little kid. The state nursery suited him far better. And the school he is about to go into is state too and superb.

We don't actually earn all that much, we are just careful with it and extract money efficiently from the business.

So it's not being loaded; I never had both parents working and in my younger years, they were very skint as were me and my wife for a long time. Taught us to make money go further and to us, bringing up the kids ourselves (until primary school age) is critical.

When they are both full time at school, we will crank up the work rate again.

Luan Pra bang

Thats the point brown rice as oppsed to white , whole wheat pasta as opposed to the usual white pasta, shops are full of cheap refined carbs that contain no nutritional value what so ever other than empty calories. Look at yoghurt, bar a few brands its full of ****ty corn starch derived sugars and is no different to eating sweets. Same with all the refined carbs on the supermarket shelves. Our shops are full of ****, go read the labels and see for yourself. Carbs and sugar are cheap so we buy foods overloaded with them.

dpb

They must contain some nutritional value

Those bloaters aernt filled with straight compressed air!