Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
15 August 2013, 03:31 PM
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At the last supper, Jesus takes the bread, blesses it, and says,
"Take this, all of you, and eat it, for this is my body."
He then proceeds to bless the wine and says,
"Take this, all of you, and drink it, for this is my blood."
Finally, he picks up the milk, but Peter looks at him and says,
"You can fluck off."
The sooner everyone gets over this religion thing the better, maybe one day the world may be united without religion than seperated with it..
"Take this, all of you, and eat it, for this is my body."
He then proceeds to bless the wine and says,
"Take this, all of you, and drink it, for this is my blood."
Finally, he picks up the milk, but Peter looks at him and says,
"You can fluck off."
The sooner everyone gets over this religion thing the better, maybe one day the world may be united without religion than seperated with it..
15 August 2013, 04:29 PM
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15 August 2013, 09:37 PM
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15 August 2013, 10:02 PM
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How many atheists have killed believers because they believe?
How many atheists have started wars just to prove their belief is all powerful?
I'm not really bothered what anyone believes, but most of your post is so ironic it hurts. You've basically just done all the things you claim atheists do.
How many atheists have started wars just to prove their belief is all powerful?
I'm not really bothered what anyone believes, but most of your post is so ironic it hurts. You've basically just done all the things you claim atheists do.
Okay then here's one to shock you a little. An American security expert type Geeza done a study on all suicide bombs in various country over a longish period. He found that not a single suicide attack was religiously motivated! There were other reasons including attacking an outside enemy with superior weapons, political allegiances, etc.
I suppose you believe 7/7, 11/9 and Lee Rigby were about religion too right? Wrong! Very wrong!!!
Which modern wars have been started by religion? Ironically even the Taliban simply don't want western influence in their land. I've heard something at the other end of the scale going on in Britain too.
Anyway, the list of modern religion wars then.
15 August 2013, 10:06 PM
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Furthermore how can you claim brainwashing from young especially when people are finding god way into middle age.
15 August 2013, 10:11 PM
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Most are forced into religion from a very early age, not just Muslims either, Christians are as guilty.
15 August 2013, 10:21 PM
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Parents who teach their kids nationalism are just as bad. Nationalism can be just as irrational as religion. It can be selfish, violent, very extreme and causes a lot of wars. What difference is it between the American black street gang wars. My flag is better than yours etc.
15 August 2013, 10:35 PM
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No offence to anyone intended! Feel free to retaliate with a similarly light hearted pic of Richard Dawkings ..... in fact please do, he kinda deserves it!
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15 August 2013, 10:57 PM
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Ok let's leave religion out of this for a minute....
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
16 August 2013, 12:19 AM
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Also the argument that the universe is limited is not a fact; it is a theoretical possibility.
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16 August 2013, 08:42 AM
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Ok let's leave religion out of this for a minute....
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
16 August 2013, 08:58 AM
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Ah that one.... Right......
Okay then here's one to shock you a little. An American security expert type Geeza done a study on all suicide bombs in various country over a longish period. He found that not a single suicide attack was religiously motivated! There were other reasons including attacking an outside enemy with superior weapons, political allegiances, etc.
I suppose you believe 7/7, 11/9 and Lee Rigby were about religion too right? Wrong! Very wrong!!!
Which modern wars have been started by religion? Ironically even the Taliban simply don't want western influence in their land. I've heard something at the other end of the scale going on in Britain too.
Anyway, the list of modern religion wars then.
Okay then here's one to shock you a little. An American security expert type Geeza done a study on all suicide bombs in various country over a longish period. He found that not a single suicide attack was religiously motivated! There were other reasons including attacking an outside enemy with superior weapons, political allegiances, etc.
I suppose you believe 7/7, 11/9 and Lee Rigby were about religion too right? Wrong! Very wrong!!!
Which modern wars have been started by religion? Ironically even the Taliban simply don't want western influence in their land. I've heard something at the other end of the scale going on in Britain too.
Anyway, the list of modern religion wars then.
Was the killing of all those people in 7/7, 9/11 et al rooted in religious belief?
An eye for an eye, my god's better than your god and all that sh*te from the fictional religious books that people are fed from an early age.
16 August 2013, 09:06 AM
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Ok let's leave religion out of this for a minute....
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
It's a little different and I don't believe has any extension with the popular religions of today and those that practise it
16 August 2013, 09:12 AM
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But again it's an interpretation of FACT'S published by a a security Geezer and not some made up sh*ite in a book.
Was the killing of all those people in 7/7, 9/11 et al rooted in religious belief?
An eye for an eye, my god's better than your god and all that sh*te from the fictional religious books that people are fed from an early age.
Was the killing of all those people in 7/7, 9/11 et al rooted in religious belief?
An eye for an eye, my god's better than your god and all that sh*te from the fictional religious books that people are fed from an early age.
16 August 2013, 09:53 AM
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It never was. The attacks were revenge attacks for our actions abroad. The religious part only comes into play when the perpetuators share the same religion as the wests victims hence in the perpetuators eyes they are helping their brothers. It really isn't rocket science and the sooner atheists admit this then the sooner us religious folk can start giving you tue credibility you seek.
1. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
2. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
3. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
4. Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
5. Those who joke about Allah’s revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 45:9-10
6. Marry of the women two, or three, or four. 4:3
7. Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11
8. Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
9. You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they are flagrantly lewd. 4:19
10. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
11. Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women.
12. Don’t pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43
13. Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan. 4:98
14. When it’s time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can’t find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6
15. A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6
16. Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
17. Allah will reward faithful Muslims after they die with “fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.” 44:54
18. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
And as a balance, the Bible.
Genesis
* 7:4 God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth."
* 7:21-23 God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears
* 6:7, 17Solomon carries out the deathbed instructions of his father David by having Joab murdered. God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all.
* 11:16 Joab (David's captain) spent six months killing every male in Edom.
* 15:29 Baasha kills "all of the house of Jeroboam" leaving none "to breath." This slaughter was done "according to the word of the Lord."
* 20:28-30 God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites hands, and 100,000 were killed in one day. Of those that escaped, 27,000 were crushed by a falling wall.
* 21:23-25 Jezebel (Ahab's "strange" wife) "stirred up" Ahab to "work wickedness in the sight of the Lord." To punish her, God will feed her dead body to the dogs. (He also plans to feed the city folk to the dogs and country folks to the birds.)
* 22:43, 46 Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and " exterminated the homosexuals".
* 1:4, 17 Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god.
* 1:9-12 Elijah shows that he is "a man of God" by burning 102 men to death.
* 3:19-25 God instructs the Israelites, through the prophet Elisha, to implement a scorched earth policy on the Moabites. "Strike every fortified city and every choice city, and fell every good tree and stop all springs of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones."
* 9:33-37 God has Jezebel thrown off a wall. Her blood is sprinkled on the wall and on the horses, by which she is trampled. Her body is eaten by dogs and all that remains of it is her hands, feet, and skull. God says that she "shall be as dung upon the face of the field."
* 10:7-42 Jehu murders every one of Ahab's sons and family and followers - hundreds and hundreds then did the same to the followers of Baal. And God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel.” 10:30
* 15:16 King Menahem rips up all the pregnant women in Tizzah “because they opened not to him.”
* 17:25-26 God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because “they feared not the Lord,” and even worse “they knew not the manner of the God of the land.”
The Bible says to kill your wife, your daughter, your son, your brother, your friend, etc… if they worship other gods. (Deu 13:6-10 NRSV) If anyone secretly entices you-even if it is your brother, your father’s son or your mother’s son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend – saying, “Let us go worship other gods,” whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, you must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or compassion and do not shield them. But you shall surely kill them; your own hand shall be first against them to execute them, and afterwards the hand of all the people. Stone them to death for trying to turn you away from the LORD your God, …
(Prov 23:13 NRSV) Do not withhold discipline from your children; if you beat them with a rod, they will not die. The bible says that beating people and inflicting wounds is good for them. (Prov 20:30 NRSV) Blows that wound cleanse away evil; beatings make clean the innermost parts. (Exo 20:5 NRSV) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me.”
All perfectly logical
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16 August 2013, 10:09 AM
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Yes, the fact is that we are not taught this at a young age!
Herein lies the difference.
You atheist claim we are indoctrinated and taught x, y and z since childhood.
This is simply not true for the majority, all we are taught is a bit about behaviour and respecting elders and a bit about spirituality. Do you really think parents with a religion sit there teaching their kids about eye for an eye?
On another note if you want to pull quotes from anti religious web sites then I invite you along to the Islamic forum so you can really debate your issue. You've just cherry picked a load of randomn lines in the hope that it strengthens your argument. Poor show but then again I don't expect any better.
Come on, don't be afraid. Sitting here ego massaging will not do anyone any favours.
Remember YOU are supposed to be the intelligent one.
Herein lies the difference.
You atheist claim we are indoctrinated and taught x, y and z since childhood.
This is simply not true for the majority, all we are taught is a bit about behaviour and respecting elders and a bit about spirituality. Do you really think parents with a religion sit there teaching their kids about eye for an eye?
On another note if you want to pull quotes from anti religious web sites then I invite you along to the Islamic forum so you can really debate your issue. You've just cherry picked a load of randomn lines in the hope that it strengthens your argument. Poor show but then again I don't expect any better.
Come on, don't be afraid. Sitting here ego massaging will not do anyone any favours.
Remember YOU are supposed to be the intelligent one.
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16 August 2013, 11:20 AM
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Yes, the fact is that we are not taught this at a young age!
Herein lies the difference.
You atheist claim we are indoctrinated and taught x, y and z since childhood.
This is simply not true for the majority, all we are taught is a bit about behaviour and respecting elders and a bit about spirituality. Do you really think parents with a religion sit there teaching their kids about eye for an eye?
On another note if you want to pull quotes from anti religious web sites then I invite you along to the Islamic forum so you can really debate your issue. You've just cherry picked a load of randomn lines in the hope that it strengthens your argument. Poor show but then again I don't expect any better.
Come on, don't be afraid. Sitting here ego massaging will not do anyone any favours.
Remember YOU are supposed to be the intelligent one.
Herein lies the difference.
You atheist claim we are indoctrinated and taught x, y and z since childhood.
This is simply not true for the majority, all we are taught is a bit about behaviour and respecting elders and a bit about spirituality. Do you really think parents with a religion sit there teaching their kids about eye for an eye?
On another note if you want to pull quotes from anti religious web sites then I invite you along to the Islamic forum so you can really debate your issue. You've just cherry picked a load of randomn lines in the hope that it strengthens your argument. Poor show but then again I don't expect any better.
Come on, don't be afraid. Sitting here ego massaging will not do anyone any favours.
Remember YOU are supposed to be the intelligent one.
But the "cheery picked points" seem very relevant in modern free thinking culture, would you not agree? To put up the whole of the Qu'ran, Bible or the other religious books for scrutiny would not be popular with the Webmaster of Scoobynet.
I have been across to the website, had a look and found nothing to make me want to debate religion with them, because the main point of the website is to deny any options of non believers. Disbelievers will be burned with fire!
I am not an atheist, never said I was either. I am born, age, procreate, die and decay like every other creature and organism on this planet. I can never see the Utopian view of the world being peaceful and all embracing if religion keeps telling us how to treat people, what we can eat, what we can wear and who we associate with.
16 August 2013, 11:36 AM
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There is a book by Maurice Bucaille studying science and the major religions of today. The conclusion was that the quran was in 100% harmony with modern science whereas other religions did not even come close. And this was a book by a Christian scientist, look it up for yourselves. A book collated over 1430 years ago (the qu'ran) and some of these modern scientific facts only coming to light over the last 100 years through improved and advanced technology. It appeals to the intellect. Don't get me wrong i have also read various chapters of the bible so it is not a bias decision.
I'd say it's an extension of my earlier statement. If God does exist (and billions of people around the world have come to this conclusion) then he must have given some form of guidance and this guidance must be perfect even by text with no grammatical errors, style, meaning, depth etc. This is a logical discussion and unless someone can breath life into a dead person then i will not be convinced by any other argument, especially by philosophers who had personal turmoil in their own lives.
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16 August 2013, 12:31 PM
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Ok let's leave religion out of this for a minute....
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.
everything with a shape, size, mass, weight, dimensions etc (no matter how big or small) is limited.........why?
if it has dimensions it came from somewhere, it's irrational to say it came from no where. Just like a modified subaru does not fall out of the sky.
Even the big bang theory does not explain where the 2 atoms came from when they collided to make the universe and by the way (even the universe has a shape, size, mass etc as its still "expanding" according to scientists. If it's expanding then it had an origin that requires explanation)
This is a rational, logical argument not one that's asking to believe in pigs being able to fly. So to cut a very long story short. Everything within the universe is limited (fact). So if it's limited and has an end then where was it's beginning? Who started it? And remember a limited entity which has features i.e man, only improvises with raw materials, he does not "create" from nothing.