Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
16 August 2013, 01:03 PM
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Unless you have another suggestion which has some solid backing/argument. My earlier point being, everything within the universe and universe itself is limited due to it's size (the fact that it has a size) so has a beginning, therefore must have an end. It's irrational to say it created itself.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
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Unless you have another suggestion which has some solid backing/argument. My earlier point being, everything within the universe and universe itself is limited due to it's size (the fact that it has a size) so has a beginning, therefore must have an end. It's irrational to say it created itself.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
16 August 2013, 01:39 PM
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Unless you have another suggestion which has some solid backing/argument. My earlier point being, everything within the universe and universe itself is limited due to it's size (the fact that it has a size) so has a beginning, therefore must have an end. It's irrational to say it created itself.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
Lets take the body for example. If one of the major organs fails, then the body fails. The inner organ being limited automatically limits the outer/entire body. The universe follows the same principle. Planets and stars are limited although their lifespan is far longer then the human body, which in turn automatically limits the universe. So there must be something unlimited behind everything and this unlimited entity can only be one.
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16 August 2013, 01:49 PM
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The same logic about the creation of the universe can also be applied to the creation of God. How was he/she/it created? by another God? Or just by magic?
16 August 2013, 02:18 PM
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Created by God..destroyed by religious nutters IMO
The best religion is self belief , intelligent people can work that out for themselves...no subscription needed.. FREE to join
Aaagh I am my own God..
Long live the Rasta
The best religion is self belief , intelligent people can work that out for themselves...no subscription needed.. FREE to join
Aaagh I am my own God..
Long live the Rasta
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16 August 2013, 02:40 PM
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No one knows the actual size of the universe, only what we can observe and theorise, it could be infinite for all we know and we don't know if this is the only universe that exists. If you say it's irrational to say the universe created itself and therefore God created it, well who created God? What's the rationale behind God being unlimited but limited to one enity?
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16 August 2013, 02:43 PM
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No one knows the actual size of the universe, only what we can observe and theorise, it could be infinite for all we know and we don't know if this is the only universe that exists. If you say it's irrational to say the universe created itself and therefore God created it, well who created God? What's the rationale behind God being unlimited but limited to one enity?
Everything we see around us is limited and dependent so requires an external element in order to survive. Humans needing food and water to survive and the earth needing the correct temperatures i.e the sun to be in the place it is for our survival.
Looking for the source of creation, someone must have created where we are today. It's not possible to have an infinite domino effect. In order for the domino effect to start, it requires an origin. If we go on the principle of infinite regression, it does not explain our existence, where we are today and how we have got here.
Everything is needy, weak and dependent within the universe. Therefore limited. It can only be explained by an element or force which is not limited, not needy, not weak, not dependent upon anything and therefore is unlimited and self sustaining. He can only be one.
16 August 2013, 02:49 PM
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No it's not, you're slaughtering one another for some ******** leader over an other
...whilst he's sitting in hospitality
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16 August 2013, 02:56 PM
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And it stated in the Qu'ran 1430 years ago that the world was specifically like the shape of an ostrich egg (which scientists have found to be 100% correct only last century).
This is a subject for the topic of "infinite regression". Which means for eternity going backwards. So who created that, ok so if he created that then who created him and so on.
Everything we see around us is limited and dependent so requires an external element in order to survive. Humans needing food and water to survive and the earth needing the correct temperatures i.e the sun to be in the place it is for our survival.
Looking for the source of creation, someone must have created where we are today. It's not possible to have an infinite domino effect. In order for the domino effect to start, it requires an origin. If we go on the principle of infinite regression, it does not explain our existence, where we are today and how we have got here.
Everything is needy, weak and dependent within the universe. Therefore limited. It can only be explained by an element or force which is not limited, not needy, not weak, not dependent upon anything and therefore is unlimited and self sustaining. He can only be one.
This is a subject for the topic of "infinite regression". Which means for eternity going backwards. So who created that, ok so if he created that then who created him and so on.
Everything we see around us is limited and dependent so requires an external element in order to survive. Humans needing food and water to survive and the earth needing the correct temperatures i.e the sun to be in the place it is for our survival.
Looking for the source of creation, someone must have created where we are today. It's not possible to have an infinite domino effect. In order for the domino effect to start, it requires an origin. If we go on the principle of infinite regression, it does not explain our existence, where we are today and how we have got here.
Everything is needy, weak and dependent within the universe. Therefore limited. It can only be explained by an element or force which is not limited, not needy, not weak, not dependent upon anything and therefore is unlimited and self sustaining. He can only be one.
16 August 2013, 03:04 PM
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The p word is the important one for me and cannot be replaced by belief...two entirely seperate states of mind.
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16 August 2013, 03:58 PM
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Ok i'll agree with you for a minute. Let's say it's a theoretical possibility. Is that not enough for someone to do some of their own research without the bias of media intervention/pressures?
There is a book by Maurice Bucaille studying science and the major religions of today. The conclusion was that the quran was in 100% harmony with modern science whereas other religions did not even come close. And this was a book by a Christian scientist, look it up for yourselves. A book collated over 1430 years ago (the qu'ran) and some of these modern scientific facts only coming to light over the last 100 years through improved and advanced technology. It appeals to the intellect. Don't get me wrong i have also read various chapters of the bible so it is not a bias decision.
I'd say it's an extension of my earlier statement. If God does exist (and billions of people around the world have come to this conclusion) then he must have given some form of guidance and this guidance must be perfect even by text with no grammatical errors, style, meaning, depth etc. This is a logical discussion and unless someone can breath life into a dead person then i will not be convinced by any other argument, especially by philosophers who had personal turmoil in their own lives.
There is a book by Maurice Bucaille studying science and the major religions of today. The conclusion was that the quran was in 100% harmony with modern science whereas other religions did not even come close. And this was a book by a Christian scientist, look it up for yourselves. A book collated over 1430 years ago (the qu'ran) and some of these modern scientific facts only coming to light over the last 100 years through improved and advanced technology. It appeals to the intellect. Don't get me wrong i have also read various chapters of the bible so it is not a bias decision.
I'd say it's an extension of my earlier statement. If God does exist (and billions of people around the world have come to this conclusion) then he must have given some form of guidance and this guidance must be perfect even by text with no grammatical errors, style, meaning, depth etc. This is a logical discussion and unless someone can breath life into a dead person then i will not be convinced by any other argument, especially by philosophers who had personal turmoil in their own lives.
And your last paragraph is quite farcical. Billions of people around the world have been told "God" exists by books written by old blokes who when asked how sh*t happens they just made it up. Is an ostrich egg flat on the top and bottom?
Anyone notice how since the internet the alien watchers/spotters/abductees have disappeared?
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16 August 2013, 04:04 PM
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I have yet to see a scientist agree with women being inferior, non believers being killed or telling me not to eat pork or that I cannot draw them.
And your last paragraph is quite farcical. Billions of people around the world have been told "God" exists by books written by old blokes who when asked how sh*t happens they just made it up.
Anyone notice how since the internet the alien watchers/spotters/abductees have disappeared?
And your last paragraph is quite farcical. Billions of people around the world have been told "God" exists by books written by old blokes who when asked how sh*t happens they just made it up.
Anyone notice how since the internet the alien watchers/spotters/abductees have disappeared?
I'm pretty sure that at the heart of all the world great religions, the same things basic principes apply.
It's been man's need to control and corrupt that has caused the issues, this though is not the fault of religion, this is of course the fault of man.
16 August 2013, 04:34 PM
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16 August 2013, 04:59 PM
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No it isn't. Its closest approximation is a sphere. It's slightly flattened at the poles due to its rotation, thus we describe it as an "oblate spheroid". It's not remotely ostrich egg shaped. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
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16 August 2013, 05:40 PM
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There is one point which always intrigues me.
Where did it all come from in the first place? how is it that all those elements exist and how so much follows a certain order and how did all those galaxies etc come into existence? Matter cant be created or destroyed-so far anyway. Where did all those substances and scientific laws come from? How have all these worlds etc, become arranged as they have in such an ordered fashion? Who invented gravity. how is it that planetary systems resemble atoms so closely? Isn't it clever how you get a completely different element just by a few changes in some electrons? How does that happen I wonder.
No point in prolonging all the possible questions, but how did it all start up in the first place? Where did all the individual parts of all those elements come from? All those planetary systems etc., think of the sheer volume of it all, what was the origin and where did all the required energy originate too?
If you open your mind and start to think about all those things, you suddenly realise that there is no easy answer of course and there is a great deal more to our existence than you might ever have imagined and cannot explain. It bears thinking about anyway.
Les
Where did it all come from in the first place? how is it that all those elements exist and how so much follows a certain order and how did all those galaxies etc come into existence? Matter cant be created or destroyed-so far anyway. Where did all those substances and scientific laws come from? How have all these worlds etc, become arranged as they have in such an ordered fashion? Who invented gravity. how is it that planetary systems resemble atoms so closely? Isn't it clever how you get a completely different element just by a few changes in some electrons? How does that happen I wonder.
No point in prolonging all the possible questions, but how did it all start up in the first place? Where did all the individual parts of all those elements come from? All those planetary systems etc., think of the sheer volume of it all, what was the origin and where did all the required energy originate too?
If you open your mind and start to think about all those things, you suddenly realise that there is no easy answer of course and there is a great deal more to our existence than you might ever have imagined and cannot explain. It bears thinking about anyway.
Les
16 August 2013, 05:48 PM
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Seem like a bit of a cop out to me
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Had a pretty good friend who was a Jehovah's Witness, we had many a good verbal battle over the years but one time stands out with regard to brainwashing. I asked him why there was no mention of dinosaurs in the bible ( my belief is that the first remains of them were found after the bible was written) he said he would ask one of the elders at the Kingdom Hall, the explanation he was given was that "God put dinosaurs on the earth to trample down the trees so that we would now have coal". You have got to be fcukin kidding me, he actually believes this which is why so many earlier posts are right I.e. BRAINWASHED.
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