Bye, Bye Ed?
22 August 2013, 05:35 PM
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Who would you rather have?
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22 August 2013, 05:45 PM
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How about Italy 2013. Beppe Grillo's Five Start movement campaigned for true democracy and argued against both the existing Italian democratic system and sited Europe's polictics as being bad for Italy. At the 2013 general election the party won, with 25.55% of the vote.
22 August 2013, 06:42 PM
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In absolute terms Cameron is a crap PM. He is just not remotely trustworthy. Lisbon Treaty and Leveson to name but two outright lies.
His referendum promise will be the same.
And then there's things like his utterly pathetic and devisive attempt to regulate the Internet to his own ends and state that if you don't support his views you must want to encourage paedophilia. Frankly he is beneath contempt for that alone. I look forward to the day we are rid of him!
22 August 2013, 07:01 PM
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The who would you rather have argument is a stupid one.
In absolute terms Cameron is a crap PM. He is just not remotely trustworthy. Lisbon Treaty and Leveson to name but two outright lies.
His referendum promise will be the same.
And then there's things like his utterly pathetic and devisive attempt to regulate the Internet to his own ends and state that if you don't support his views you must want to encourage paedophilia. Frankly he is beneath contempt for that alone. I look forward to the day we are rid of him!
In absolute terms Cameron is a crap PM. He is just not remotely trustworthy. Lisbon Treaty and Leveson to name but two outright lies.
His referendum promise will be the same.
And then there's things like his utterly pathetic and devisive attempt to regulate the Internet to his own ends and state that if you don't support his views you must want to encourage paedophilia. Frankly he is beneath contempt for that alone. I look forward to the day we are rid of him!
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22 August 2013, 07:08 PM
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UKIP Farage bloke looks proper shifty IMO. He looks as if he's come out of a fake tan bucket like an orange jackal, and wants to put the worlds to right. If you put a blue suit on him with pinstripes, he'd pass the audition for presenting "Deal, No Deal, Dodgy Deal", and for his full time occupation, he'd look like a cheesy, betting shop tycoon.
Then again, looks can be deceptive. Perhaps if he changed his hair style and stopped using tan, he might look a bit more trustworthy.
Looks do matter in politics. You only need to take poor Ed Miliband for an example. One doesn't have to look like a Clooney or Cruise, but your overall presentation has to be of the sort that makes people trust you.
Then again, looks can be deceptive. Perhaps if he changed his hair style and stopped using tan, he might look a bit more trustworthy.
Looks do matter in politics. You only need to take poor Ed Miliband for an example. One doesn't have to look like a Clooney or Cruise, but your overall presentation has to be of the sort that makes people trust you.
22 August 2013, 07:13 PM
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I'll be voting UKIP again. They seem to be the only party without automaton **** lickers in their ranks.
22 August 2013, 07:19 PM
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UKIP Farage bloke looks proper shifty IMO. He looks as if he's come out of a fake tan bucket like an orange jackal, and wants to put the worlds to right. If you put a blue suit on him with pinstripes, he'd pass the audition for presenting "Deal, No Deal, Dodgy Deal", and for his full time occupation, he'd look like a cheesy, betting shop tycoon.
Then again, looks can be deceptive. Perhaps if he changed his hair style and stopped using tan, he might look a bit more trustworthy.
Looks do matter in politics. You only need to take poor Ed Miliband for an example. One doesn't have to look like a Clooney or Cruise, but your overall presentation has to be of the sort that makes people trust you.
Then again, looks can be deceptive. Perhaps if he changed his hair style and stopped using tan, he might look a bit more trustworthy.
Looks do matter in politics. You only need to take poor Ed Miliband for an example. One doesn't have to look like a Clooney or Cruise, but your overall presentation has to be of the sort that makes people trust you.
Just on my way to get my spray tan right now.
22 August 2013, 07:30 PM
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He is pushing a filter to be installed by default that prevents access to all **** and numerous other types of content, In fact he has even recommended one that is part financed and devloped by the CHinese government.
He then tells us we will be able to opt in to receive such content if we choose to do so, but it is worth noting that his choice filter still passes and logs all those requests through it.
He then more or less says that if people don't support his plan they must be happy to have child abuse images available to all and sundry.
22 August 2013, 08:08 PM
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He's not perfect and is not even a good leader of his party let alone of the country, but undeniably, he is the best out of a bad bunch. Can't even imaging what things would be like had Ed Milliband, who is possibly the worst of the career politicians, came into office. UKIP, whilst likes to jump on just about every populist bandwagon going, have no cohesive policies to speak of other than a right wing "wish list" that appeals to the "frustrated" general public and, strangely enough, even some leftie socialists. Take for instance their stance on Europe, they want to take UK out of the EU but they have no specific exit plan on how to do this whilst maintaining existing and future trading agreements with our European counterparts. Sure, let's get out of the EU and abolish its criminals charter and ban immigration, it's what the typical Daily Fail readers want to hear.
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22 August 2013, 08:21 PM
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I think what grates some "leftie socialist" Tony Benn, for example, one of the most vocal anti Europeans from the left
Is the simple and ultimately beautiful, principle of democracy, And lack of it in the "European Project" (vote them in but be able to vote them out)
A lot of people are sick and tired of unelected power (in all its forms)
And I speak as a "cultural" European
Is the simple and ultimately beautiful, principle of democracy, And lack of it in the "European Project" (vote them in but be able to vote them out)
A lot of people are sick and tired of unelected power (in all its forms)
And I speak as a "cultural" European
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22 August 2013, 08:43 PM
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He's not perfect and is not even a good leader of his party let alone of the country, but undeniably, he is the best out of a bad bunch. Can't even imaging what things would be like had Ed Milliband, who is possibly the worst of the career politicians, came into office. UKIP, whilst likes to jump on just about every populist bandwagon going, have no cohesive policies to speak of other than a right wing "wish list" that appeals to the "frustrated" general public and, strangely enough, even some leftie socialists. Take for instance their stance on Europe, they want to take UK out of the EU but they have no specific exit plan on how to do this whilst maintaining existing and future trading agreements with our European counterparts. Sure, let's get out of the EU and abolish its criminals charter and ban immigration, it's what the typical Daily Fail readers want to hear.
Newsflash: A German business (for instance) doesn't give a crap whether the UK is in or out of Europe as the bottom line is what matters. The only way anyone could have an argument for this was if we were in the Euro.... we aren't and effectively nothing will change business or trade wise whether we are in or out of the EU. The politicians might say it will, but business is business and comopanies will not care a jot either way!
22 August 2013, 08:47 PM
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Oh God not the trade argument again.
Newsflash: A German business (for instance) doesn't give a crap whether the UK is in or out of Europe as the bottom line is what matters. The only way anyone could have an argument for this was if we were in the Euro.... we aren't and effectively nothing will change business or trade wise whether we are in or out of the EU. The politicians might say it will, but business is business and comopanies will not care a jot either way!
Newsflash: A German business (for instance) doesn't give a crap whether the UK is in or out of Europe as the bottom line is what matters. The only way anyone could have an argument for this was if we were in the Euro.... we aren't and effectively nothing will change business or trade wise whether we are in or out of the EU. The politicians might say it will, but business is business and comopanies will not care a jot either way!
22 August 2013, 08:53 PM
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UKIP, whilst likes to jump on just about every populist bandwagon going, have no cohesive policies to speak of other than a right wing "wish list" that appeals to the "frustrated" general public and, strangely enough, even some leftie socialists. Take for instance their stance on Europe, they want to take UK out of the EU but they have no specific exit plan on how to do this whilst maintaining existing and future trading agreements with our European counterparts. Sure, let's get out of the EU and abolish its criminals charter and ban immigration, it's what the typical Daily Fail readers want to hear.
22 August 2013, 09:19 PM
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22 August 2013, 09:23 PM
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That is a possibility and also there is the issue of import/export duty legislations for countries outside of the EU. One of the attractions of the UK for foreign investors outside outside of the EU is that companies like Toyota, Nissan and Honda can set up in the UK as UK entities and take advantage being in the EU and be on the same competitive field as their European counterparts. Take that away it it could threaten 130,000 jobs in Swindon, Sunderland and Burnaston.
22 August 2013, 10:14 PM
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Jesus Christ there is some tosh being spouted in this thread by jonc. Tale notice of him at your peril. He hasn't a single clue what he's talking about. In fact maybe he is David Cameron in disguise. 
22 August 2013, 10:43 PM
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22 August 2013, 10:51 PM
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PS Interesting you see being called David Cameron in disguise as an insult
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22 August 2013, 11:35 PM
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...and he's predictable too
23 August 2013, 06:39 AM
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labour pay no tax on property portfolio
How can you not make a profit, well you can, but cancel it out with unusually high administrative costs.
This is labour hypocrisy on tax avoidance
Or
Just a typical example how labour try to run a busines or country
This is labour hypocrisy on tax avoidance
Or
Just a typical example how labour try to run a busines or country
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23 August 2013, 10:09 AM
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He says one thing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21013118
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-tax-avoidance
and does the opposite...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ght-years.html
http://economia.icaew.com/news/july2...orporation-tax
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...s-8647553.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21013118
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-tax-avoidance
and does the opposite...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ght-years.html
http://economia.icaew.com/news/july2...orporation-tax
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...s-8647553.html
23 August 2013, 10:16 AM
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As opposed to Cameron who says one thing and does nothing.
All ribbing and joking aside I truly cannot believe there are people stupid enough to still be playing party politics between Labour and the Conservatives in 2013 when it is obvious, to most people at least, that neither party can be trusted with governing the country.
That is why the UKIP are picking up so much support, people have had enough of being lied to by both Labour and the Conservatives. They at least see Farage as straight talking and upfront about what he believes in rather than, like the main parties, indulging in constant electioneering and back biting against the 'opposition' whilst moving their parties further towards the centre for the sole purpose of getting themselves elected!
It's time for a real change in the UK political landscape and I am hopeful it will really happen!
All ribbing and joking aside I truly cannot believe there are people stupid enough to still be playing party politics between Labour and the Conservatives in 2013 when it is obvious, to most people at least, that neither party can be trusted with governing the country.
That is why the UKIP are picking up so much support, people have had enough of being lied to by both Labour and the Conservatives. They at least see Farage as straight talking and upfront about what he believes in rather than, like the main parties, indulging in constant electioneering and back biting against the 'opposition' whilst moving their parties further towards the centre for the sole purpose of getting themselves elected!
It's time for a real change in the UK political landscape and I am hopeful it will really happen!
23 August 2013, 01:32 PM
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Can we please end this nonsense about leaving the EU. No politician has the ***** to do it. They can't even do something simple like abolishing the House of Lords, never mind something as huge as leaving the EU. Just think how long it would take, all the re-negotiating treaties and trade agreements. It's a decade long project. So much easier to just muddle through, get a £bumper job in the city, and collect a nice pension.
So once and for all.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME.
Stop wasting time discussing it.
So once and for all.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME.
Stop wasting time discussing it.
23 August 2013, 04:54 PM
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They at least see Farage as straight talking and upfront about what he believes in rather than, like the main parties, indulging in constant electioneering and back biting against the 'opposition' whilst moving their parties further towards the centre for the sole purpose of getting themselves elected!
23 August 2013, 05:14 PM
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(Agreed though that untangling is a big job)