domino46

I wouldn't say that was a minor fault as it would of took the engine if I hadn't noticed it when I did ,, I was going to leave fitting my gauges till I could get defi's ,,lucky I didn't wait or I would of had a major rebuild on my hands

Fingers crossed for you whatever happens

craigybaby

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Well I mean I hope it's summit as minor as a faulty oil pump as compared to having to rebuild it is minor lol I'm really keeping everything crossed but I have got a bad feeling its gonna be a rebuild

the shreksta

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its only a matter of time until the 2.5 gives up anyway.you could fix the oil pump issue then wait for it to die or get it built now and future proof it.the 2.5 engine is a joke of an engine but when forged its a very capable engine

craigybaby

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ye i see what your saying mate i wouldnt mind so much if id of had it a while but ive only had it 3 days after shelling out 8 grand for it now im looking at possibly paying another 3k to get it fixed im just at a loss atm

APIDavid

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Sorry to **** on your parade. It is a big end failure - very little doubt, they do go clack, clack,clack.

Many reasons why it might have gone; best guess is you "enjoying your new car" and working it rather harder than it has been and pushing over the edge.
We do an "economic repair" that fixes what needs to be done [ genuine parts every time ] and is rather more affordable than a full build. But that depends upon existing engine mileage which I cannot see anywhere above.

If you want a sensible chat about it give me a call and l'll help as besy I can.

David 01926 614333

craigybaby

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Hi david thanks for the reply ye i do have a strong feeling it is the bottom end its being recovered today to a subaru garage for a diognosis once i know what the extent of the damage is i will be looking at my options as i will have to get the money together as you can imagine im not exactly flush atm the car has done 71k and about 5-6k since it had the head gasket done appreciate your advice and willingness to help once i know whats happened i will be making a few phone calls to get some quotes as like has been said if i do have to have it rebuild i want it future proofed which isnt going to be cheap lol

JGlanzaV

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Could be big ends I don't know what the big ends sound like on yours but when mine was making a clacking noise it was a damaged bucket and shim and only came apparent on its way back down the revs.

Hopefully it isn't as major as you think!

JGlanzaV

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Could be big ends I don't know what the big ends sound like on yours but when mine was making a clacking noise it was a damaged bucket and shim and only came apparent on its way back down the revs.

Hopefully it isn't as major as you think!

craigybaby

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cheers mate im preparing myself for the worst its just one of them things if it has gone then its gone just gotta dig deep just a pain that its happend so soon lol

Gear Head

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So sorry to hear that mate.
Exact same thing happened to me when I bought an STI 3, 6 years ago.
The rebuild broke me.

Regarding the 2.5 engines, this is exactly why I bought a 2L 2005 WRX.
So many horror stories about the 2.5 lumps. Hope it isn't too costly, but from what you describe, it does sound like big end failure.

wms-racing

The noise is deceptive and one of the reasons it can sound like top end is beacuse when the bearings fail the piston can start hitting the head.
Ive got a nice low milage short engine here for £800, much better to rebuild though-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271147485858&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_804wt_1161

Cpt Jack Sparrow

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Hi mate

Any further update or diagnosis??

CJS

craigybaby

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Latest update the garage were unable to hear my engine knocking so the sump was removed no signs of swarf of bearing failure metal shavings in the oil etc however the oil pick up had snapped off so this is going to be replaced along with the sump and dipstick tube then I will be going from there the garage reckon that's my problem and they don't think it's bearing failure however until its all back together they can't be certain so I'm keeping everything crossed

APIDavid

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NO ! don't do that. No matter the lack of noise now, if it has snapped the pick up pipe, it has done serious harm. If you are lucky you might get away with a simple polish of the crank and a new set of bearings. Strip it now.

But if the bearings are damaged enough, but just hanging on by the skin of their teeth and you set off again hoping that all is OK, it might well fail big time and here comes that big list of zeroes on the bill again.

In my experience, it may well be saveable now - if you go the hope and pray route, I suspect it will cost considerably more.

You'll be a very lucky lad if you get away with that. How often do you win the lottery ??

David APi

jazzyjembreaze

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Is this garage a main stealer ?
I did advise on dropping the sump on your drive , would have saved you time & a bit cost .
Obvious money is hard , with new purchase of car . Winter is fast approaching , so if you can get a run around you will be ok
Do as David says , STOP
Take control of the situation , the engine needs a full look over.

if its 2 much to take in m8 ,
Sell it & take a hit ,, but don't kick yourself , it isn't your fault

It's SUBARU

Cpt Jack Sparrow

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How does the pick up snap, is it purely fatigue or contact with moving parts.

The latter surely does damage and even when it does break free it's going to come in to contact with something...

jazzyjembreaze

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Commonly it snaps around the Head , may just crack ( fracture
Uprated ones have better welds & extra bracing

jazzyjembreaze

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Here's a killa B one / opposed to the OEM 1 above

APIDavid

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It's just made of crap metal welded at St Dunstans School for the Blind by a trainee welder.........

I cannot think of any earthly reason why it should break. It is not under any strain, touches nothing. When it falls off it just drops in the bottom of the oil pan amongst the baffling. No way to get amongst the important bits.

The dilemma always is:

Do you change them automatically and risk fitting a duff one, when the one on there looks OK? . Or do you leave it alone and hope that it is one of the good ones?

David

JGlanzaV

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it is pretty **** poor to be honest and you would be expecting something like that to outlive the car!

I have just had to put a 2.5 sump and pick up on my scoob to suit my new killer b manifold and would have fitted the uprated pick up at the same time if it weren't for the cash issue atm.

Is this not something subaru should have recalled?

Cpt Jack Sparrow

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Ahh being made by that school does explain it a bit....

so if it make no contact and just drops into the sump, the noises thought to be caused from this are not it coming into contact with rotating parts, more the engine being starved of oil due to no pick up and there lies the problem of serious damage.

Hence strip and check not just replace pick up and carry on...

all makes sense really

Paul

craigybaby

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ye it will need stripping if the damage is serious but the way I see it is my pick up pipe if fubbared so im gonna need a new one regardless if it does need a rebuild I plan on doing it properly and replacing everything and the garage where my car is I will be getting them to do the build which is why im leaving it to them to see what they recommend me doing they are a respectable izuzu/Subaru specialist so im just gonna play it by ear I appreciate the advice though folks

jazzyjembreaze

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If you want it done properly
You won't be replacing your pick up with a OEM 1

GOOD LUCK , hope it works out for you

Regards mic

APIDavid

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We only re-fit standard ones again, but we crack test around the weld before we fit them. If you look at the bronze welding at the area where it breaks it looks very much as though it breaks where the bronze finishes and steel starts. Not had one that we fitted break, nor to my knowledge 'clinic or RCM

RCM use standard
Clinic use standard
Dunno about Engine tuner, no doubt he'll pop along and advise us.

David

jazzyjembreaze

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As a business I see your point
But as an individual , why would I spend a great deal of money building my engine's ,only to replace a piece wich has a know fail rate ?
ESP as the ultimate alternative costs $180
For that money & piece of mind , I'd choose the latter every time

Regards mic

Ps here's a weird ol test to throw into the mix

jazzyjembreaze

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APIDavid

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Subaru must be crackers to try and suggest that an impact [ of what ? ] will snap them. They clearly fail through a harmonic vibration of some high frequency. Similar to an opera singer singing high notes and shattering a wine glass.

Not all cars do it [ Although the trade vernacular is " oh yeah they all do that " ] Which translated means it is a known problem. But not by any means do "they all do it," And l guess it is too soon to suggest, that the cars we have fitted them to are now 'cured ', because they will not have done 30 / 40.000 miles which seems to be the start point of failures.

Fitting a carefully examined and tested one is our ' solution '. Zilla is another way. I wonder what would happen if the brace bracket bolt was left out and it was allowed to vibrate freely instead of under tension. Any takers for an experiment ?

I thought not ! but realistically it is worth a try.

David

Cpt Jack Sparrow

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Thread resurrection

What's the update on this ?????

craigybaby

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New Oil pick up fitted new sump and dip stick tube have done 700 miles and still all ok pulling strong and no sign of any problems so I think I've been lucky this time

poolio74

But what was the clack clack clack sound???